Rage3D Aquamark3 Review

***Ichneumon*** · Sep 15, 2003, 01:44 AM

Ratchet has been a busy boy lately with all the benching going on. He sat down with a whole slew of ATI cards and 2 different system configurations over the last week to bring you Aquamark3 performance across just about the entire 9xxx line of cards.

I had planned on adding a bunch of additional commentary to Ratchet's fine article this weekend, but due to a family emergency my weekend schedule, well, didn't go exactly according to plan.

For now I'll just say that you will note from Ratchet's benchmarks that aquamark3 appears to have significant CPU/System dependancies, and for the most part is not shader limited. This will likely be cause for very different performance characteristics between different graphics chip architechtures than we see in other recent DX9 benchmarks.

Enjoy the full article Right Here

silencerelite · Sep 15, 2003, 02:02 AM

Nice article, Ratchet!

Wunderchu · Sep 15, 2003, 02:24 AM

thanx for the heads up, Ichneumon

Ratchet, just like your previous reviews on Rage3D , well done

(I especially liked your bar graph at the end with the radio buttons to switch between the systems and settings .. nice touch

)

Hanners · Sep 15, 2003, 03:51 AM

I fixed your link Ichy.

Good article.. I love the way Ratchet presents his graphs.

hiostu · Sep 15, 2003, 04:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Waqas
Right Here

I had a real trouble to identify the cards in the graph. Really like the checkboxes etc. But he might have used different colours other than shades of green.

Raysusan · Sep 15, 2003, 05:31 AM

look cool

jessica00 · Sep 15, 2003, 05:34 AM

i hate those graphs. how the hell are you supposed to tell shades of green that are maybe one shade off.
i cant tell what goes to what.

Ratchet · Sep 15, 2003, 05:52 AM

The bars are in order from top to bottom as they are ordered in the legend at the bottom of the chart from left to right.

The_KELRaTH · Sep 15, 2003, 06:27 AM

Does Detailed info offer information on what feature / modes inc whether pp is being used in each test?

SoleBastard · Sep 15, 2003, 08:06 AM

Why isn't the Radeon 9500 (PRO) used for testing anymore? Recently a lot of reviewers just use the 9600 (PRO) instead but they are not quite the same!
I think it's very interesting to see the difference between for instance:
- 128Bit vs. 256bit memory -> Radeon 9500PRO vs. -> Radeon 9700 (PRO)
- 8 vs. 4 pixel pipelines -> Radeon 9500PRO vs Radeon 9600PRO

I know the 9500(pro) insn't available anymore in most countries but a lot of people (like me) do own them, especially in the rage3d forum...

Ratchet · Sep 15, 2003, 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by The_KELRaTH
Does Detailed info offer information on what feature / modes inc whether pp is being used in each test?

I've asked Massive what the shader count is pp vs full precision. I should get a response today sometime.

Ratchet · Sep 15, 2003, 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SoleBastard
Why isn't the Radeon 9500 (PRO) used for testing anymore? Recently a lot of reviewers just use the 9600 (PRO) instead but they are not quite the same!
I think it's very interesting to see the difference between for instance:
- 128Bit vs. 256bit memory -> Radeon 9500PRO vs. -> Radeon 9700 (PRO)
- 8 vs. 4 pixel pipelines -> Radeon 9500PRO vs Radeon 9600PRO

I know the 9500(pro) insn't available anymore in most countries but a lot of people (like me) do own them, especially in the rage3d forum...

I don't have access to one anymore. The one I had, I (stupidly) gave to my brother.

gday · Sep 15, 2003, 09:35 AM

Great review - stunned to see I am mentioned twice

The guys at Massive did a great job as I am happily benchmarking now.

I believe I have now asked about 70 hard quastions and received a hell of alot of good answers - thanks to Alexander and the great team at Massive Development - best of luck!!!

Oh and on a Radeon 9700 Pro AMD 1.4GHz Win 2000 1 GB RAM I am scoring around 23,735 marks

Hanners · Sep 15, 2003, 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ratchet
I've asked Massive what the shader count is pp vs full precision. I should get a response today sometime.

I assume the shader count/instruction count will be the same? Worth checking out though, we all know assumption makes.

SLI_Fallen · Sep 15, 2003, 10:14 AM

45,364

hclarkjr · Sep 15, 2003, 02:48 PM

24,374 on my system

Major Slaughter · Sep 18, 2003, 01:06 AM

61,473 see sig for details, I'm getting stiff comp from the gamer67 and his 5900u (it OCes to over 620 on the gpu

)

http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_vie...unID=623759033

Useless · Sep 19, 2003, 02:57 AM

Your links not working Major Slaughter. I wanted to see that.

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*Ichneumon* Lord of the Flies Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Michigan Posts: 3,735	Aquamark3 Review Ratchet has been a busy boy lately with all the benching going on. He sat down with a whole slew of ATI cards and 2 different system configurations over the last week to bring you Aquamark3 performance across just about the entire 9xxx line of cards. I had planned on adding a bunch of additional commentary to Ratchet's fine article this weekend, but due to a family emergency my weekend schedule, well, didn't go exactly according to plan. For now I'll just say that you will note from Ratchet's benchmarks that aquamark3 appears to have significant CPU/System dependancies, and for the most part is not shader limited. This will likely be cause for very different performance characteristics between different graphics chip architechtures than we see in other recent DX9 benchmarks. Enjoy the full article Right Here __________________ Ichneumon http://www.rage3d.com "A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on. " - Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965) Last edited by Hanners : Sep 15, 2003 at 03:50 AM.

Sep 15, 2003, 02:02 AM	#2
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Sep 15, 2003, 02:24 AM	#3
Wunderchu Radeon Northern Islands Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Burnaby, B.C. Posts: 2,092	thanx for the heads up, Ichneumon Ratchet, just like your previous reviews on Rage3D , well done (I especially liked your bar graph at the end with the radio buttons to switch between the systems and settings .. nice touch ) __________________ Heatware May the light of the Lord shine upon your path. {my avatar GIF was created by Blizzard Entertainment®} Last edited by Wunderchu : Sep 15, 2003 at 02:26 AM.

Sep 15, 2003, 03:51 AM	#4
Hanners Zetsubou Sensei Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: England Posts: 15,680	I fixed your link Ichy. Good article.. I love the way Ratchet presents his graphs. __________________ Owner / Editor-in-Chief - Elite Bastards

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Raysusan Rage3D Veteran Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,101	look cool

Sep 15, 2003, 05:34 AM	#7
jessica00 Radeon R300 Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 104	i hate those graphs. how the hell are you supposed to tell shades of green that are maybe one shade off. i cant tell what goes to what.

Sep 15, 2003, 05:52 AM	#8
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Sep 15, 2003, 08:06 AM	#10
SoleBastard Newbie Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 9	Why isn't the Radeon 9500 (PRO) used for testing anymore? Recently a lot of reviewers just use the 9600 (PRO) instead but they are not quite the same! I think it's very interesting to see the difference between for instance: - 128Bit vs. 256bit memory -> Radeon 9500PRO vs. -> Radeon 9700 (PRO) - 8 vs. 4 pixel pipelines -> Radeon 9500PRO vs Radeon 9600PRO I know the 9500(pro) insn't available anymore in most countries but a lot of people (like me) do own them, especially in the rage3d forum...

Sep 15, 2003, 09:35 AM	#13
gday Radeon R200 Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 58	Great review - stunned to see I am mentioned twice The guys at Massive did a great job as I am happily benchmarking now. I believe I have now asked about 70 hard quastions and received a hell of alot of good answers - thanks to Alexander and the great team at Massive Development - best of luck!!! Oh and on a Radeon 9700 Pro AMD 1.4GHz Win 2000 1 GB RAM I am scoring around 23,735 marks Last edited by gday : Sep 15, 2003 at 09:44 AM.

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Sep 18, 2003, 01:06 AM	#17
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Sep 19, 2003, 02:57 AM	#18
Useless Radeon R200 Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: So Cal. Posts: 61	Your links not working Major Slaughter. I wanted to see that.

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