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Old Jul 11, 2014, 11:55 AM   #361
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DCS WWII 1944 FAQ
What we know… just the facts.

Ok, I am writing this because so much info and answers are spread all over, as well, so much misinformation is being spread, either because people cant easily find it or cant be bothered to take the time.

At the time of the Kickstarter
RRG

RRG, led by Luthier was in sole control of management and setup of Kickstarter and Project. All creative decisions and direction were planned and executed by them

RRG stated that Kickstarter funds would be a small part of the project. Where the other funding was coming from was undisclosed.

ED

ED was partnered with RRG, supplying manpower, game core, and knowledge to the project, they were not involved with any management decisions, including planning and execution of Kickstarter.

ED was to sell keys to RRG for distribution as rewards (Its believed that this order wasn’t completed as only a small amount of people received this reward at end of the funding period for the Kickstarter)

ED developer Yo-Yo offered his services to do quality control on all FMs produced by RRG, he was also working with RRG is some form with the Spitfire as he had a unique fondness for that aircraft, but this was still and RRG project.

This brings us to the changes.
RRG

RRG became mostly unresponsive a few months back (not just with customers), the forums were getting very frustrated, everyone was getting very frustrated, info wasn’t being communicated to the level people had come to expect. Some where between the last update from them and June 7th, it was announced that significant changes had taken place with the project, both how its developed and managed.

This was described as:

Luthier was no longer involved in the project.

Luthier was contracted to continue work on helping with some of the manuals

Since the Kickstarter funds had run out, ED had been footing the bill on development.

ED decided to attempt to carry on development, hiring a number (undetermined) of the employees from RRG

Kickstarter funds covered a small amount (“drop in the bucket”) of total funds needed to successfully complete the products

The State of the project as left by RRG, as best we know.
Map: No updates had been shown for sometime, person involved had been removed from the team early on. Its believed the map is not very far along at all, and delivery date of said map backs that up. (expected May 2015 with period AI units)

Me 109K-4: We had seen many development shots of this aircraft, we assumed it to be in early Alpha (expected Oct 2014)

Spitfire IX: No progress images or videos of this one where made public, no real news at all. (stated to deliver Dec 2014)

P-47D-30: Model was in works, that’s all we were shown. (expected March 2015)

Me 262A1: Model shown in progress, no more info. (no timeline yet)

AI Only B-17G: No real info either, no timeline, but assumed it would be part of AI period units for map as stated above.

ED’s official stance on the Kickstarter funds was that they were spent on all aspects of the project, but as listed above, none were very close to being done whatsoever, the closest being the Me 109, which ED had sunk 120,000 USD of its own funds into the flight model. This did not include the model, cockpit model, cockpit systems, etc. It’s safe to assume that a DCS Module can reach well above 150,000 USD to complete.

Restructure
Due to the above costs, lack of funds and ED needing to take over the project, all aspects were reviewed.
Changes
No more separate install (this means no separate keys for one or the other)

Reward restructuring was needed as the reward structure was poorly thought out and would have been financially impossible to accomplish.

Project delivery date was changed from Sept 2014 to numerous dates over the next year or so, as described above.

At the end of the project, the entire collection could be purchased as a bundle.
The rewards were initially changed to this:
http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?...95&postcount=1
After customer feedback they were changed to this:
http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?...08&postcount=1
Key changes, Choice of aircraft from all 6 WWII modules. $1-$19 backers would receive $20 ED Bonus points

Clearing some misconceptions and false statements
Q: ED is taking the assets of RRG and getting nothing but profits from this, off our money right?
A: No, ED has already assumed many costs associated with the project, the fact is all the Kickstarter money was spent before ED took over. While it is true that ED has recovered, or believed to have recovered all the assets, much work is left to be done, and a rough estimate of 10-15 percent of the project is actually completed, some of which was already funded by ED

Q: ED was funding this project all along
A: No, not at all, no one knows where RRG was going to acquire the funding to satisfy its lofty goals, ED only got heavily invested when things started to go south.

Q: ED planned this, it was their goal all along to bait and switch us and give us less, isn’t that the truth.
A: As stated above, ED had no involvement in setting up the original reward structure, in fact as they took over, they were honestly shocked at how truly confusing and lofty the set up was. Again, this was because all of this was set up by RRG

Q: ED bought out RRG and all its assets right?
A: ED didn’t buy, acquire or takeover RRG. The details of how it all transferred may never be known, but what we do know is it appeared Luthier surrendered all the assets created with the Kickstarter money, and some of the employees were hired by ED to help continue the project as not to disrupt their other projects.

Q: ED’s first restructure was bad only to make the real one look good.
A: No, not at all, It was an oversight, a simple mistake, if you look at the initial reward restructure purely by the numbers it’s a great value, but it was pointed out that a number fo backers already had the P-51D and it didn’t make sense to force them to accept that as one of their rewards. Wags admitted this was a mistake publically.

Q: Why not just offer a refund?
A: Its complicated, but the short answer is this, The money was spent before ED stepped in, ED believes people want DCS WWII. They thought the best path was to make the project workable, and continue to develop it, in turn offering a realistic compromise on the reward structure

Q: Why cant you refund the money and just make the project anyways
A: This would be an incredibly hard hit to the bank roll, it would be a big enough loss that the project would have to be scrapped. They are already expected to continue to fund the project, but adding an 150,000 hit right off the start. Well its too much.

Q: It doesn’t matter, you cant give me my original rewards 100% you are supposed to refund
A: Kickstarter requires people to be upfront and communicate with their customers ED is trying to do that, even though ED didn’t enter in to this agreement, they are trying their best to make the project a reality. If it comes down to it, and they are forced into a refund, you can count on the project being scrapped. Not even the 109 could be guaranteed at this point. This isn’t a threat, its just the way it is.

Q: I am not happy with my reward structure, why cant you give me more?
A: ED did its best to make the value the best it could, while still remaining profitable. They are still a business, and they have to protect that as well. They have been very open to reviewing and making changes so far.

Just a side note on this FAQ, I requested, to Wags, to do this for the community, I know how info can be spread about in a thread and lost in the shuffle, I feel like both sides of the argument might be missing some key points.

I am going to initially leave this open for discussion, but I am warning you now, it will be moderated heavily for the back and fourth bickering. I am not an Employee of ED, I cant answer legal stuff as that has not been disclosed, so what you see above is all I know and understand. Also you may not agree with how ED is handling this, posting here your plan to fix everything will not change anything, This is where we are at.

If you feel I have missed something or you need clarification just ask, either in this thread, or by PM (preferred). This is not meant to be an update or anything new, but just to gather all the info in one location.
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Old Jul 12, 2014, 08:27 PM   #362
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F-86F update

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Old Jul 12, 2014, 08:42 PM   #363
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Aviodev C-101 Update

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Un par de capturas del C-101 en EDGE (el nuevo engine para DCS:World). El C-101 se encuentra en fase de testeo interno, antes de ser enviado a los testers de ED.
A couple of screenshots of the C-101 in EDGE (the latest terrain engine for DCS:World). The C-101 is under-going final internal testing prior to being sent to ED testers.

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New Changes on the Bonus System.
http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?...06&postcount=2
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Today we made several changes to the bonus system that we hope you will all appreciate:

http://www.digitalcombatsimulator.co...q/bonus_rules/

The customer has the opportunity to receive a bonus for existing orders (paid before February 20th, 2014) pertaining to products participating in the bonus program, with the same rules applied (p.2-3) as under the new order. Customers must use these bonuses prior to January 1st, 2015. Visit: Personal section / My account to register the orders.

A product can be paid by use of bonuses no more than 30% (thirty percent) of the full product price. We retain the right to change this percentage at any time and at our discretion.

The following rules are applied to bonuses accrued for purchases made after February 20th, 2014: 100% of the bonus will be cancelled without return and/or recovery in case the customer does not make a purchase within one year from the date of the last purchase from the DCS e-shop.
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Old Jul 15, 2014, 02:14 PM   #365
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Mig-21Bis update
http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=126950
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A quick status update for you;

Currently we are working on several important things, which, when finished, will draw this project to a complete close.

Due to changing underlying rendering backend, some additional work had to be done to port the MiG-21 into 1.3.0. Initially we thought we could wrap this up fairly quickly, but this has taken longer than expected. When we finish, I hope to share with you some very nice screenshots of the MiG-21 in it's new home.

Core integration of the AI MiG-21 package continues and is progressing nicely. Stripping the aircraft of all artwork and code that is not required unless owning the module has been completed, and we're working on ensuring that everything is working flawlessly. Seamless integration to avoid splitting the community is obviously incredibly important, but it must be noted that DCS is an incredibly complex piece of software, and adding another complex piece into the puzzle is not something that can be taken lightly.

A few weeks ago we noted that we will be sending out promo copies of the aircraft; but this has been delayed due to the ongoing 1.3.0 migration. Keeping up with two working copies of our product is a very time-consuming/wasting endeavor. Thus, when we're satisfied with the module and it's functionality in 1.3.0, we will then take a look at providing previewers with a legacy version that is representative of the newest build.

In the beginning of July, we decided to upgrade our Damage modelling to a completely new standard. We've been busy ripping the aircraft apart with a new mesh-based damage system, in conjunction with hand sculpted normals. Additionally, we have modeled most of the interior components of the aircraft, and can expose them at will. I think you'll all find it looks very satisfying, and we can't wait to show you.

As soon as we finish 1.3.0 integration and some other tasks, we'll be providing you with the aforementioned screenshots and also the aforementioned KH-66 + RSBN + SAU video, which will continue the in-depth looks video series. That one will be narrated as per your requests.

Some of you have noted that it'd be beneficial to gather developer posts in a single thread, and we agree. Once the opportunity arises, we will work on compiling a FAQ/Developer info thread for quick reference on various topics.

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Leatherneck MiG-21bis Progress
The guys at Leatherneck have been doing a great job and this week we integrated the AI MiG-21bis into DCS World version 2.0.0 later in 2014 (there will be no 1.3.0 due to the extensive DCS World changes that are coming). The model looks stunning as we think you will agree!
http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=127012
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Here are some screenshots taken by testers with the MiG-21 in EDGE.
We'll be posting some more soon, with updated Speculars and Normals tweaked for EDGE.

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So, is this just a fly around sim, or is there dog fighting?
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There is indeed dogfighting and a couple campaigns. Say for example flaming cliffs 3, it is pretty intricate pertaining to the radar systems and combat systems, however the cockpits are not clickable. Full sims such as DCS a-10 have complete simulation of the planes systems and the cockpits are fully clickable.

FC3 is much easier to get into and has a game mode that makes targeting and whatnot pretty damn easy.
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So, is this just a fly around sim, or is there dog fighting?
Dogfighting, ground attack and more. The Huey campaign for example has a lot of flying around but you'll also be doing troop insertions, close air support, and CSAR.

It all depends on the aircraft but there is a lot of variety and potential here.
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They need to hurry up already with this EDGE engine

From what i read they've been posting screenshots for 5 years now
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Wait, so all these screenshots I have been seeing on this thread for months isn't in the actual game yet?

WTF.

When is this new engine "Edge" supposed to be coming out?
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Pat01 Sa-342 Gazelle Update
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A small update to show you the first step of Viviane sighting system.
It will be able to launch and control missiles next week if everything goes right
I'll have to code an autopilot auto-hover to enable the pilot to aim.
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I want the Mig21bis so bad. Been waiting for ages but the release keeps getting pushed back into oblivion even though it's supposed to be so close.

In the meantime, I'll certainly settle for that Sabre though.
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Wait, so all these screenshots I have been seeing on this thread for months isn't in the actual game yet?

WTF.

When is this new engine "Edge" supposed to be coming out?
1 year,

2 years ?

Nobody knows.
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Update July VEAO, waiting to the Bae license.

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Hawk update July 2014

So, this weekend we're splitting the Hawk into two, not literally of course lol

There will be the base Hawk in DCS World which the AI will use and you can see flying around negating the need for a multiplayer patch which we put out before.
Then there will be the "paid" section which is essentially the activation part as our copy protection system will allow you to sit in the cockpit but not fly the aircraft unless you have a valid activation code.
Both of these sections will then be uploaded into The ED testers version for them to test and report any bugs. Luckily most of the ED testers we have assigned are already on our test team so not much should be found.

You will then see the Hawk appear in DCS World at some point in the future.
We can't confirm which version yet but as soon as we know I'll let you know.
I'm not sure if we'll make the Sabre update version but will try our best.

The website and store are being worked on also right now by a very talented web designer in the US who is a good friend of one of our developers.
The Hawk product pages are being built and we'll get our testing team to try it out prior to going live.
This will be a seamless payment experience if bought through our site.
We will then pass that product info in a format to ED for their web site and pass over thousands of activation codes for their star force database which allows you to buy from their store (still using our protection system).

Then it's the Steam pages, I'm putting together the info needed for those and again producing activation codes for that database.

So, when we said soon, we meant soon

Legal stuff is very nearly there and will tie in with release.

Very exciting times for DCS in the next few months for sure!!

Cheers,
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Don't mean to be critical or pedantic, but surely all that stuff would have been sorted out before you even started working on a commercial release?

Otherwise, it's a load of money, time and effort potentially down the drain. Not to mention the damage it would do your rep if it had to be abandoned.

I'm assuming the same would apply to the Typhoon, as well.

Hopefully you can wrap them both up in one swoop (along with any future projects... ahem!)
Most aircraft have to be developed to demonstrate to manufacturers what you're doing.
It's a very convoluted process I won't go into here.
We've been in discussions with BAE for over 2 years now as it's not just the Hawk we need a licence for from BAE. Also they're not set up for this kind of thing as it's not been done to this level before.

Don't forget we're doing military as well as consumer products.

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The AI MiG-15bis coming with DCS ver. 1.2.9. Sabre food!



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VEAO Roarmap :

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=127100
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Hey Guys,
We thought it would be good for you to know our development roadmap.

DISCLAIMER:
The list is not final and will be changed at any time depending on contracts, agreements, discussions, etc. but this is our current roadmap.
The dates shown are indicative and not final!!

As Wags says, everything is subject to change...

For the packs, we will be doing certain discounts for number of aircraft bought, etc. and this is still being discussed and details will be revealed closer to sale time.

We are currently having discussions with aircraft manufacturers, owners of aircraft and collectors so some things may be included in packs and collections may not yet be shown on here but I'll update the list as and when we have agreements.

We will keep this list as up to date as possible as things develop and contracts are agreed.

We have multiple teams working on different projects, so the old "finish one before you start another" is not relevant. We will not overstretch the teams or the business!!

The * next to the aircraft indicates that we are in contract with ED for those.

We hope you like the selection of aircraft and maps and look forward to a great future in DCS with you!!

Cheers,
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BAE Hawk T.1A – July/August 2014 *
Short Tucano – July 2015
Grob G115E Tutor – July 2015
Pilatus Pc21

DCS Warbirds Collection
Curtiss P-40F - December 2014 *
Grumman F8F Bearcat – February 2015 *
Supermarine Spitfire Mk XIV – April 2015 *
HA-1112 Buchon - May 2015 *
Hawker Typhoon – Q3 2015
Grumman Wildcat – Q4 2015
Dehaviland Mosquito Mk IV
Dehaviland Mosquito Mk XVI
Messerchmitt Me109T
Supermarine Seafire 17
Hawker Sea Hurricane
Hawker Sea Hawk
Curtiss Hawk 75
Curtiss P-40C
Focke Wulf FW190A-8 / F-8
Messerschmitt Bf109-E4
North American A-36 Apache
Douglass DC3

DCS Royal Air Force Battle of Britain Memorial Flight (RAFBBMF)
We are currently in discussion with them to develop the pack and an announcement will be made soon.
Avro Lancaster
Douglas C-47 Dakota
Hawker Hurricane MkI
Hawker Hurricane MkIIb
Various Supermarine Spitfire’s in their collection

DCS Fast Jets
Eurofighter Typhoon – 2015 *
Boeing A330 MRTT Refueller – Included with the Typhoon as AI then developed ASM/EFM after to be sold separately.
A-4C Skyhawk – July 2015
A-4M Skyhawk – December 2015
SAAB JAS Gripen
Dassault Rafale
Hunter Hawker
Dehaviland Venom
Dehaviland Vampire
Panavia Tornado GR1
Hawker Siddley FAS1 SeaHarrier
North American T-28 Fennec

DCS Helicopters
Boeing/Augusta AH64D Apache
Westland Lynx
Westland Wessex
Boeing CH-47 Chinook
Aerospatial Puma

Map Areas
Duxford (test development map)
North Africa – Tubruq
Mach Loop – Welsh Valleys
Falkland Islands
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The Gazelle is now able to launch missiles and guide them manually to the target.
For video purposes, the FM has been switched off, unrealistic perfect auto-hover
The autopilot is still to do, I planned an auto-hover option and a moving flight option (maintain the current flight)
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Most aircraft have to be developed to demonstrate to manufacturers what you're doing.
It's a very convoluted process I won't go into here.
We've been in discussions with BAE for over 2 years now as it's not just the Hawk we need a licence for from BAE. Also they're not set up for this kind of thing as it's not been done to this level before.

Don't forget we're doing military as well as consumer products.
Ahhh common, really. You have to actually go to the manufacturer of a war plane and ask for permission?

Every single war plane game out there has to do that?
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Ahhh common, really. You have to actually go to the manufacturer of a war plane and ask for permission?

Every single war plane game out there has to do that?
On this level yes you do.
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On this level yes you do.
Damn that sucks.

I am really interested into diving into this sim. I have it loaded up and have been watching a bunch of tutorials on YouTube. I have an original MS flight stick and a 24" monitor.

However I want to wait until Occulus comes out, then I will pay for the expense of a new stick, throttle, rudder pedals and the time to put into it.

I truly believe with the Occulus you will see a massive resurgence to Sims on the PC.
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Gz that looks stupid good.
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F-86 Sabre update:

https://www.facebook.com/eagle.dynamics?ref=stream
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We know many of your are on pins and needles regarding the release of DCS: F-86F Sabre. I'm happy to report that the Pre-Purchase with open beta access will be be available this Saturday, July 26th, 2014.





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Awesome. Will the 1.2.9 patch be coming on Saturday as well?
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The Mig-21 and F-86 are looking so nice.
There are a lot of aircraft in development which don't much interest me but these babies are at the top of my "to buy" list.
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how long must I wait for the 1st true 4th gen multirole fighter? I refuse to play dated Falcon (even the updated bms) or Jane's sims anymore.
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If they are making the Mig 21 then they have to create a F-4 Phantom for some good Vietnam air battles.
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F-86 Start Up Engine video

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?...51&postcount=5
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Here is a little video of the simple start up procedure for DCS: F-86F Sabre.

Note: Because this video will forever live on the internet, we decided to record it using an early version of DCS World 2 (2.0.0). Sabre will first release as an open beta using ver. 1.2.9.
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