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Old Nov 1, 2019, 05:56 PM   #1
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What do you think? With the way Google dumps their services are you looking to give them your money on this one and risk losing access in the future?
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Absolute no go if you have any cap on your service, 1TB is fast becoming not enough for a month. First day of the month I used 150Gb with use and downloading RDR2.
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Garbage like all other attempts at this. It will never work unless we have quantum entangled internet where distance no longer matters as ping as not a factor. But by all means im sure theres those who cant "see the lag" and can enjoy delayed movements, same kinds of people who play on tvs with input set to normal instead of game.
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Everyone completely misunderstands these game streaming services. It's not about games. It's about stress-testing a proposal for the future of computing, where all of your processing happens in a server farm and the screen is streamed. I know we've been hearing this proposal for decades, but it's going to happen in the next 10 years.

"What about lag?" - Latency won't be a problem, as they'll start building out smaller server farms in your neighborhood. The server farm will probably sit at the end of your street and look something like this:


There won't be any lag, because all of this will essentially be running over a really fast local network that covers a few blocks of your neighborhood.
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None of it will happen unless they remove caps from your internet connection like they didn't have years ago.
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I already had to up mine to 1.5TB
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Caps on Internet. What savages are you Americans.
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We won't have data caps for much longer. The new wireless network infrastructure is basically designed to kill comcast.
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We won't have data caps for much longer. The new wireless network infrastructure is basically designed to kill comcast.
If you're talking about teslas internet everywhere, that thing will have ping larger than wired?
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If you're talking about teslas internet everywhere, that thing will have ping larger than wired?
Nope, and nope.

I'm talking about 5g. Done right, with a mature network, 5g slaughters google fiber (I've seen reports of people getting 15gb/s, at close range with line-of-sight). There's been alot of talk about how 5g is really targeted toward home internet, and cellphones are just a bonus... it's designed to run very high bandwidth, for many users simultaneously.

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I wasn't talking about SpaceX's telecommunications network, but fyi, Starlink won't be anywhere near the latency that we usually associate with satellite internet, as they're low-orbit satellites (which is why they need 12,000 of them). The Starlink satellites are orbiting between 200-700 miles above the earth's surface, compared to 22,000 miles for a traditional geosynchronous satellite. If we assume Starlink satellites are orbiting at 700 miles altitude, the signal should make 1 trip in about 1 millisecond. If we assume a minimum of 4 trips:
  1. request sent from client(on earth) to satellite
  2. request sent to server (on earth)
  3. response sent from server (on earth) to satellite
  4. response sent from satellite to client (on earth)
we're looking at adding only 4ms additional latency. In reality it's likely a bit more, especially if the signal is being routed between satellites around the planet, but it's nowhere near the latency of traditional satellite internet... probably at least an order of magnitude different.

Edit: Musk claims that the overall latency on the Starlink network will be under 20ms.
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Doc told me yesterday some EU countries are already pulling 5g due to early reports it has worse effects on the human body than the old microwave cellphones did. And it did not even get rolled out yet in those places. Any one else heard about that? Going to try and find it on searches today once I get a break on the trouble tickets here at work.
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Doc told me yesterday some EU countries are already pulling 5g due to early reports it has worse effects on the human body than the old microwave cellphones did. And it did not even get rolled out yet in those places. Any one else heard about that? Going to try and find it on searches today once I get a break on the trouble tickets here at work.
Quick google search on health effects of millimeter waves:

https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/is-5g-dangerous/
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Is the 5G spectrum harmful to our health? Experts say, 'Don't freak out'
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https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/is-5g-dangerous/
Is 5G dangerous? We asked an expert
Is the 5G spectrum harmful to our health? Experts say, 'Don't freak out'
It's sad how much misinformation and fud there is out there. The Science Vs. Podcast just did a 5G episode, it's a great listen:

https://gimletmedia.com/shows/scienc...the-revolution
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So I found a ton of info on how bad 5G will be like you all said people are freaking out. This guy does the best job of distilling it all down into easy to read and digest info:
https://www.radiationhealthrisks.com...tific-studies/

These discussions do remind me of when I worked at ma bell in the 90s and they sent out the company wide memo to all of managers to stop carrying the company Moto flip phones in our pants pockets as it was found it was causing a sharp decline in the amount of children the management staff were producing. Yet the customer side communication line was the phones where totally safe.
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is the 5G health situation one where exposure is based on an unrealistic like 20hrs per day, 7 days a week and standing right underneath the beams as it constantly bombards you in one place at its strongest emission where the result is that it increases the risk of cancer by 1%?
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So I found a ton of info on how bad 5G will be like you all said people are freaking out. This guy does the best job of distilling it all down into easy to read and digest info:
https://www.radiationhealthrisks.com...tific-studies/

These discussions do remind me of when I worked at ma bell in the 90s and they sent out the company wide memo to all of managers to stop carrying the company Moto flip phones in our pants pockets as it was found it was causing a sharp decline in the amount of children the management staff were producing. Yet the customer side communication line was the phones where totally safe.
He's a hack.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/16/s...ss-cancer.html
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Got my Stadia today. Hooked it up. Spent the past few hours playing.

It's rough. You can only use the Chromecast it comes with, not others that you might already have if you wanted to disconnect from one TV and go to another room. There's features still missing, limited games, etc.

But with a solid internet connection, hard wired hopefully, it works surprisingly well. It's sort of crazy how well Destiny 2 plays on this thing. There's a tiny tiny bit of lag there, so sniping isn't as easy as it might be, but otherwise it's hard to tell it's not a local game.
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Got my Stadia today. Hooked it up. Spent the past few hours playing.

It's rough. You can only use the Chromecast it comes with, not others that you might already have if you wanted to disconnect from one TV and go to another room. There's features still missing, limited games, etc.

But with a solid internet connection, hard wired hopefully, it works surprisingly well. It's sort of crazy how well Destiny 2 plays on this thing. There's a tiny tiny bit of lag there, so sniping isn't as easy as it might be, but otherwise it's hard to tell it's not a local game.
Now I know why this latest expansion was so meh. They spent so much time working on Stadia. A lot of people are complaining of lag locally now in the game that didn't exist before. I haven't noticed it, but reddit has a ton of complaints.
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Now I know why this latest expansion was so meh. They spent so much time working on Stadia. A lot of people are complaining of lag locally now in the game that didn't exist before. I haven't noticed it, but reddit has a ton of complaints.
I really don't know if that's the case. I think the latest expansion is somewhat meh, but I thought it was supposed to be a bigger DLC than full scale expansion. I know they're talking about "Loot 2.0" and stuff in Destiny, but a lot of the work seemed to be under the hood systems changes to setup future expansions. Things like the Seasonal progression system.

As for Stadia itself, after a few hours of gaming I think I've figured out my likes and dislikes.

Likes (things I either like or am looking forward to):
  • I have a very stable, solid 1Gbps Xfinity connection (new house & outside lines), with everything hardwired over Ethernet, and so the connectivity is pretty solid. Slight hitches here and there, but otherwise very impressed at how well it works.
  • The 4K HDR gaming holds up pretty well. To me, it looks visually better on my TV than my Xbox One X playing Destiny 2 (haven't tried other games). It feels a bit more "PC ish" not Console ish.
  • Destiny 2 has almost no load times. What used to take 2-3 minutes to sit down and get into the game, now takes maybe 15 seconds. This ALONE feels worth the price of admission.

Dislikes (things to fix):
  • There is, even with TV set to "game mode" and such, just the ever present slight bit of lag. I was telling someone last night that it feels like if someone added 40ms to everything you're doing, with occasional hitches jumping up to 200ms for a quick sec. This makes Destiny 2's otherwise very polished gunplay feel slightly more average like other shooters. And it makes me feel like jumping puzzles, of which Destiny has a few, would be a nightmare (I did not test this). But even with this, it feels very playable.
  • I don't like the controller. I like all the button layout and placement. But I mostly use an Xbox Elite (and now an Elite 2) and using this plasticy feeling controller feels like a step back. As gaming controllers go, it's as good as most others, but I don't like it.
  • The game selection is pretty limited. Most of the games available I already own on other systems. So I have little incentive to buy any of these again.
  • I haven't tried it on the PC but from what I gather, it isn't a great PC gaming experience. It uses a browser, and the controller has to be physically plugged in.
  • Also, it won't work with other Chromecasts yet, so I can't use one of the main features of Stadia gaming, the ability to close out, go upstairs, and start playing immediately on another TV.
  • Along with this, there's other features like watching a YouTube video of someone playing and being able to buy the game they're playing and jump right in, none of that works.
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The xbx runs destiny 2 at higher settings and a higher resolution, at least according to the verge.

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With Destiny 2, it’s even more obvious that the game isn’t running at the highest settings. On a Chromecast Ultra, a “4K” stream looked closer to 1080p, and my colleague Tom Warren and I swore that the 1080p streams we were getting in the Chrome web browser looked more like 720p.

Initially, Google told us that it was using the highest-resolution, highest-fidelity build of Destiny 2 available. But Bungie later confirmed that our eyes weren’t deceiving us. “When streaming at 4K, we render at a native 1080p and then upsample and apply a variety of techniques to increase the overall quality of effect,” a Bungie rep said, adding that D2 runs at the PC equivalent of medium settings. That explains why the Xbox One X build, which runs at a native 4K and with higher-res assets, looks so much better than Stadia.
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The xbx runs destiny 2 at higher settings and a higher resolution, at least according to the verge.







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That might be. I'll take another look tonight. I was probably being generous since I was expecting a **** load of compression artifacts in the streamed image and wasn't seeing any of that.
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It's sad how much misinformation and fud there is out there. The Science Vs. Podcast just did a 5G episode, it's a great listen:

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Verizon went down in Charlotte this week, and the loonies came out crying. I think my favorite was a guy saying, "5G was designed for mind control! Don't be puppets, resist this aggressive push by big companies to take over our minds!"
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