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Old Oct 4, 2019, 01:39 PM   #1
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It's probably just going to be a mid-range or entry level card though.
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It's probably just going to be a mid-range or entry level card though.
This.

We'll still be running the Nvidia Greed train for another 2 to 3 years atleast.
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It's probably just going to be a mid-range or entry level card though.
You might be surprised... Ice Lake's IGP is slightly faster than the Vega 10 in the 3700U. Designing a graphics core is the hard part; scaling up to a discrete GPU is fairly trivial. Of course Intel may ignore the consumer market to challenge NVIDIA in the insanely profitable compute segment.
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Old Oct 27, 2019, 02:38 PM   #5
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Hook’s ‘it’s alive’ Frankenstein reference could be quite apt in some ways, and not just because Halloween is almost upon us. Remember that we’ve previously heard Intel could be gunning for a slick implementation of multi-GPU, so stitching multiple graphics cards together – as it were – to make a more powerful monster gaming rig could be part of the strategy to defeat AMD and Nvidia.
maybe but AMD and NV have been working on a mcm gpu for years now
do you think Intel found the right "glue" first ?

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Years of the CPUs not seeing huge development .. that R&D money was going somewhere. Maybe this was it?
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Years of the CPUs not seeing huge development .. that R&D money was going somewhere. Maybe this was it?
1. I think if they had the glue they would have a answer for Ryzen first

2. if they do beat AMD's gpu's with Raja there it better not have any traces to AMD's work


3. that R&D money was going in someone pockets
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Is Xe the codename for the Intel GPU or the preferred pronoun?
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Discrete gpu's for gaming revenue is important but future gpu revenue growth is going to come more-so from data center and ai revenue streams, imho. This is the bigger picture strategy for the gpu for the future and Intel wants or desires to be an important player here, imho.
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Here are the actual EU counts of Intel's various MCM-based Xe HP GPUs along with estimated core counts and TFLOPs:

Xe HP (12.5) 1-Tile GPU: 512 EU [Est: 4096 Cores, 12.2 TFLOPs assuming 1.5GHz, 150W]
Xe HP (12.5) 2-Tile GPU: 1024 EUs [Est: 8192 Cores, 20.48 assuming 1.25 GHz, TFLOPs, 300W]
Xe HP (12.5) 4-Tile GPU: 2048 EUs [Est: 16,384 Cores, 36 TFLOPs assuming 1.1 GHz, 400W/500W]

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Given Raja worked on it the likelihood of flop is real.
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Given Raja worked on it the likelihood of flop is real.
don't knot if it will be a flop

but the likelihood it has a AMD patent violation is high with him leading it
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That's going to be a data center card. If not good lord it's gonna need water to keep it cool.
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Regardless of where this goes or doesn't go, having a third player can't hurt imo. Lets just hope this won't be a repeat of 2009?
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Raja made a gtx 670
8 years latter



my old gtx 680 got 6437
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my old gtx 680 got 6437
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What the point of this part? Who would want it?
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I don't know
you can get more out of the new game consoles
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For netbooks and certain laptops, where watt efficiency and performance balance nay matter for a specific mobile segment.
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For netbooks and certain laptops, where watt efficiency and performance balance nay matter for a specific mobile segment.


it is a Discrete Graphics Card

that just beats Integrated GPUs
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This intel derivative may be for entry level mobile discrete segment, may be similar to what Nvidia offers with their entry level mobile mx derivatives.
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But its not a mobile part. They should just fire Raja now.
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If its not for mobile, and cant compete with entry level cards, then who is it for? Gaming pc's for homeless people on a budget?
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.......
waiting for it to start selling and AMD & NV can get ahold of one
patent lawsuits incoming

it maybe it's only purpose to see if it gets by the lawyers
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I think this Intel derivative scored higher in FireStrike than the latest Mx derivative from Nvidia, which I think is the Mx350. Would be more concerned about efficiency with this segment more-so than with just raw performance. It's too early to really gauge anything.
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More competition in graphics is welcomed. But Intel has to do better than this offering to be taken seriously by most people.

I would love to see fierce competition resulting in like 33.3333/33.3333/33.3333 % market shares for the three competitors.
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But you have to factor in this is probably the low power entry-level mobile derivative and probably targeting a bit more than 60fps esport titles at 1080p, one may imagine. You have to factor in the amount of watts, overall efficiency of the architecture/cores and the cost. .

This architecture seems to be a scalable architecture from integration to data centers and Intel is a behemoth of a company with vast resources, just look at their financials.

I don't underestimate Amd, I certainly don't underestimate Intel.
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But you have to factor in this is probably the low power entry-level mobile derivative and probably targeting a bit more than 60fps esport titles at 1080p, one may imagine. You have to factor in the amount of watts, overall efficiency of the architecture/cores and the cost. .

This architecture seems to be a scalable architecture from integration to data centers and Intel is a behemoth of a company with vast resources, just look at their financials.

I don't underestimate Amd, I certainly don't underestimate Intel.
I totally underestimate Intel with their continued 14+++++++++++++++++++++++ debacle.
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I would say Intel suffered some obstacles to overcome but hardly a debacle. To put things in perspective about Intel: they made by far more operating income/profits last quarter than Nvidia and Amd's total revenue combined last quarter

I'm happy to see Intel attempt to enter the discrete market and improve upon integrated solutions. Hopefully, spend their vast resources and R&D to improving upon gpu and gaming experiences, more potential choices to consider, more competition, which hopefully brings more sanity to pricing.

I would wager Nvidia and Amd are not underestimating Intel.
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