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Old Mar 31, 2020, 11:04 AM   #1
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Guys, with all the information coming our of the fire hose, I think this is necessairy.
Here are my pics for most level headed and informative videos on Covid-19.

Please share your picks.



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Old Mar 31, 2020, 11:07 AM   #2
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If you're using Firefox, you can quickly and temporarily turn off unsecure content blocking for a site by clicking the lock icon next to the URL, then disabling the protection to unblock blocked content. This allows you to view http embedded content at the cost of making the current page unsecure.






There used a be a quick way to do this in Chrome, IIRC, but I can't find it anymore.

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Old Mar 31, 2020, 12:53 PM   #6
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Old Mar 31, 2020, 03:04 PM   #7
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There used a be a quick way to do this in Chrome, IIRC, but I can't find it anymore.
Wow, I had no idea about that. Awesome tip!
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Over dramatic video, but an overview on how this all began and spread across the world.
And yes, seems only one person brought Covid 19 into Italy, and yes, they had Hug-a-Chinese anti-discrimination campaign...

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Not a video but you can follow all Covid treatment studies of the Canadian gov here:
https://www.canada.ca/en/health-cana...ed-trials.html

Clic on the study number at the right for more details.
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Clic on the study number at the right for more details.
Interesting list I wish they would try one with zinc and/or Vit D supplements among others...
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It seems that Covid 19 set off a cytokine storm (immune overreaction)
in the lungs, so I believe this should be studied in vitro for now.
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Dr. says that death certificates are being manipulated to show more deaths from COVID-19.

"There is no universal definition of COVID-19 death"
"Mortality data includes both confirmed and PRESUMPTIVE deaths from COVID-19" (CDC website: https://www.cdc.gov/media/dpk/diseas...irus-2020.html)
"In short, the CDC counts both true COVID-19 cases, and SPECULATIVE guesses of COVID-19 the same"


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Still watching, but....a Facebook quiz to your group is not a very strong reason to believe that it "isn't as wide spread" as you'd be told to believe....

Edit #1: Death by COVID-19 for people who show symptoms without testing. If we're struggling to test the living, why would they be testing the already deceased?

Edit #2: A lot of the talk about "people have underlying conditions" and there is no way to really say which of them was the cause. If they were walking around without keeling over before hand while things are "good," then when they start to show symptoms of COVID-19 and it exacerbates their underlying problems, is it really the original problem, or the the catalyst?

Edit #3: The whole point she is making is that the data is wrong, and has been wrong since the beginning. Thus, the data about this is wrong because other data is wrong. As a physician it is strange that she doesn't seemingly understand that if someone has underlying conditions and that it is being managed, that something can come in and **** up that balance. People are living with all sorts of illnesses now; throw a wrench into their normal procedures and it can be fatal. She is also in Montana not exactly the hot bed of the virus but makes assumptions of normal practices. It isn't normal in New York right now with an ER overflowing with patients in the hallways and nooks and crannies. They're struggling. They're understaffed. They're under supplied. And more people keep coming in.

Why doesn't she go help?
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Still watching, but....a Facebook quiz to your group is not a very strong reason to believe that it "isn't as wide spread" as you'd be told to believe....

Edit #1: Death by COVID-19 for people who show symptoms without testing. If we're struggling to test the living, why would they be testing the already deceased?
The point is that the true cause of death often remains unknown, but COVID-19 is being put at the cause of death on the certificate, even if the doctor is not sure.

It's not an assertion that COVID-19 is a hoax, but that the death toll may be overstated. And government policy is being set based on unclear/inaccurate data.
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Why I beleive this video is a total fraud:

The presenter spends almost two minutes elevating and praising the speaker.
Normally, the speaker is presented and then her materiel is referenced for review.

The cheering in the room obviously means she is speaking to her fan club.

She is wearing her stethoscope with a necklace

Even though the initial introduction praises her curriculum, the first thing
out of her mouth is how the pastor is the only one telling the truth.

She then reads a text she obviously did not write.


On the opposite of this, I have 3 friends who are nurses. All 3 treat covid 19 cases.
Even non threatening cases show sand paper breathing when listen to.

Now I am getting your stance on the issue. Beware confirmation bias.
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Why I beleive this video is a total fraud:

The presenter spends almost two minutes elevating and praising the speaker.
Normally, the speaker is presented and then her materiel is referenced for review.

The cheering in the room obviously means she is speaking to her fan club.

She is wearing her stethoscope with a necklace

Even though the initial introduction praises her curriculum, the first thing
out of her mouth is how the pastor is the only one telling the truth.

She then reads a text she obviously did not write.


On the opposite of this, I have 3 friends who are nurses. All 3 treat covid 19 cases.
Even non threatening cases show sand paper breathing when listen to.

Now I am getting your stance on the issue. Beware confirmation bias.
That's exactly my stance. Thanks.

I'm a fan of seeing all sides of an issue before coming to a conclusion. COVID-19 is real, no doubt. However, the way the deaths are reported generally seems to inflate the overall death toll from COVID-19.
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The point is that the true cause of death often remains unknown, but COVID-19 is being put at the cause of death on the certificate, even if the doctor is not sure.

It's not an assertion that COVID-19 is a hoax, but that the death toll may be overstated. And government policy is being set based on unclear/inaccurate data.
At least in Quebec, all Covid 19 deaths are tested, if not, they are marked as unknown.
Mind you we have nowhere near the stress on the medical system NY has.
Right now, a lot of dead in NY put in freezers, I assume for later observation.

It depends on where the death happened.
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That's exactly my stance. Thanks.

I'm a fan of seeing all sides of an issue before coming to a conclusion. COVID-19 is real, no doubt. However, the way the deaths are reported generally seems to inflate the overall death toll from COVID-19.
No, I am referencing your other posts where you suspect the issue if not as bad as it really is.

So if you search covid 19 over reaction in google, you will get a LOT of material
that confirms your suspicion.
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At least in Quebec, all Covid 19 deaths are tested, if not, they are marked as unknown.
Mind you we have nowhere near the stress on the medical system NY has.
Right now, a lot of dead in NY put in freezers, I assume for later observation.

It depends on where the death happened.
Many, if not most, of those deaths are likely caused either directly or indirectly by COVID-19. What's missing are statistics showing how many people would have survived the virus if not for pre-existing conditions. The truth is, without autopsies, we have no way of knowing. We're making educated guesses. And those guesses are being written on the death certificates as the actual cause of death. I'm just a bit suspicious of using such inaccurate statistics to drive government policy. I guess it's the best we can do for now.
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No, I am referencing your other posts where you suspect the issue if not as bad as it really is.

So if you search covid 19 over reaction in google, you will get a LOT of material
that confirms your suspicion.
And you suspect it IS as bad, so both our biases are being confirmed.

I'm just a natural skeptic. I'm trying to avoid a bias and just absorb information, but with all the dreck on the Internet, it's not easy.

Having said that, I'm all in favor of self-quarantining and taking precautions when going to the store, etc. Better safe than sorry.
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The point is that the true cause of death often remains unknown, but COVID-19 is being put at the cause of death on the certificate, even if the doctor is not sure.

It's not an assertion that COVID-19 is a hoax, but that the death toll may be overstated. And government policy is being set based on unclear/inaccurate data.
But, if the data set has always been bad, then everything that exists is also suspect, no?

How often does the heart disease death count get touted as a means to get people to eat better and move more? But... if I'm to continue her line of thinking, then those values are also manipulated, no?
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But, if the data set has always been bad, then everything that exists is also suspect, no?

How often does the heart disease death count get touted as a means to get people to eat better and move more? But... if I'm to continue her line of thinking, then those values are also manipulated, no?
True. This may just be "more of the same", but exacerbated by the sheer number of deaths.
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True. This may just be "more of the same", but exacerbated by the sheer number of deaths.
I'm all for being open to getting the correct information out there, but it just seems like being overly picky now out of some bias on her part, than not finding fault in it before hand...

The irony to me is that it is the perfect analogy to the virus though. The way in which a cause of death is reported is currently broken and up to this point, we've managed it, but it still has an underlying condition that we ought to be aware of. COVID-19 comes along and throws our manageable situation out of whack and causes us to get "sicker" and breaks the system.

She is arguing that we should be blaming the broken system and yet, in the actuality of COVID-19 she is blaming the virus for the manipulation which is exactly what her 15 minutes was against.
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And you suspect it IS as bad, so both our biases are being confirmed.

I'm just a natural skeptic. I'm trying to avoid a bias and just absorb information, but with all the dreck on the Internet, it's not easy.

Having said that, I'm all in favor of self-quarantining and taking precautions when going to the store, etc. Better safe than sorry.
I do not SUSPECT it is bad, I actually have friends in medical fields and ask them.
They can provide me field observation of what is actually happening.

1: It IS bad if it decides to argue with the immune system.
2: Yes, the vast majority of death had underlying issues.
being over weight and having high blood pressure are underlying issues,
both are rampant in the US.
3: In many places in the US, the heatlcare system is overloaded so proper
postmortems will have to wait.
4: This is a new virus for which almost nothing is know, and most of what it
known is withheld by China. Patient Zero is very important and still unknown.
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What does your instinct tell you about this video?
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What does your instinct tell you about this video?
It’s her opinion based on experience and observation. I don’t discount it. However, after further thought, it really doesn’t matter. This kind of guesswork has been going on long before COVID-19 came along. And IMO any overstatement in COVID-19 deaths could be offset by deaths that go unreported. IDK.

My son is a CNA at the local hospital and he has confirmed that the number of people coming in with symptoms is extremely high. The vast majority recover. A small number with comorbidities die, and they are labeled as COVID-19 deaths even if their underlying conditions would have killed them eventually. Not necessarily a conspiracy or malpractice, just seems hinky to me. Especially when those deaths are used as justification for curfews and lockdown. But this is why smarter people than me are making decisions for the community. I would probably be more conservative in my approach to handling this pandemic, out of consideration of their liberties, but it’s highly possible that I’d get more people killed that way.

On the flip side, states have a incentive to inflate the number of COVID-19 deaths in order to take advantage of Federal funds. So there’s that.

In case it's not obvious, I'm of two minds about this whole thing. I'm erring on the side of caution, but I'm a bit suspicious about the motives. Maybe that's just a fault of mine.

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Well this is the dilemma.

NY for example, was able to go from 48,000 beds to 104,000 beds
to cope with the cases. Of course, they are basing their models
on non-stay-at-home data.
But this includes converting hotel floors to wards, field hospitals, etc, etc.

In the scheme of things, we are talking about a week,
even days difference...


The Gov of Quebec showed their projections yesterday and they chose Spain vs Portugal as a comparison.

Portugal locked down only 3 days before (March 12 vs March 15),
the difference if flabbergasting. Remembering that Spain has 4.5 times the population of Portugal, of course.

Spain: Pop 47 million

https://www.worldometers.info/corona...country/spain/

Portugal: Pop 11 million

https://www.worldometers.info/corona...ntry/portugal/

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