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Old May 28, 2013, 04:39 PM   #61
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Sometimes that's enough.
Spoken like someone who is trying to justify a lack of innovation.

Sometimes it is enough. And if that is who the audience is, fair enough. There is a reason so many are moving to other devices. And the longer folks hold onto their iPhone 4/4's, the easier it will be to justify moving to another device than one with iOS.
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Hilarious. You guys should interview for Apple. I interviewed for Apple, didn't get the job. Worked for Google instead.

Quit your arm chair comments, and start working
But how will they judge their E-Penos then?

Your not cool if you dont belong to one of the fanboy clubs, and bash the other fanboys with crap that they pulled outta there arse. And making it sound like Fact...*cough* Just about everything in this thread *cough*
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Old May 28, 2013, 07:13 PM   #63
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Hey, you're right, none of us have jobs

And none of us work in a Fortune 100 company, or have any idea about marketing, merchandising, UI, or any other items.

Tell us more about how awesome you are and how much everyone else sucks for not having a job vvanks.

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Old May 28, 2013, 07:55 PM   #64
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Not sure if serious.
Were you with your ridiculous comments?
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Old May 28, 2013, 07:58 PM   #65
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Dammit guys seriously? Please stop. No more.
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Dammit guys seriously? Please stop. No more.
And your response to being told to go start working?

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And your response to being told to go start working?

http://www.rage3d.com/board/showpost...9&postcount=57
My response is to tell everyone to knock it off.
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tyhey should really bring us sbs setting by factory . not by jailbreak...
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every apple thread turn into a flamewar
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Hilarious. You guys should interview for Apple. I interviewed for Apple, didn't get the job. Worked for Google instead.

Quit your arm chair comments, and start working
So you got a job at the company that's actually been innovating it's UI's? Congrats
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They aren't sitting on $137 billion of anything. They will be returning about $100 billion to shareholders. Share prices sagging, executives pay tied to stock performance to a degree, boom, $100 billion payout.

Also, has nothing to do with their deficiencies in the OS and UI department for iOS.
Of course it has everything to do with it. Apple is doing *something* right as can be attested by $137 billion dollars in RETAINED EARNINGS. You obviously just don't get how monumental that actually is. As for sagging stock price, there's a lot to explain that.

The stock market system is now a total scam and I'm not going to really go into it here; it's basically a casino for connected people and a tax shelter for connected employees (making it a way to suppress wage costs by offering stock options in lieu of income). Suffice to say, things like high frequency trading, ZIRP, and myopic management styles are coming home to roost. At best, it's a wealth-extraction mechanism for connected individuals.

Apple is not a company that throws out a new half-baked plastic model every six months so it can win on the "spec war". That's why their margins are so much better. They're not throwing models all over the place in the hopes to make something stick. And consumers have responded well.
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Why I rarely get involved in forums where it's discussed.

Which is kinda shame, there's a lot of stuff I could teach kids about OS X for example works but it always turns into a shitstorm when "outsiders" come and comment their "insight" on things.
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Why I rarely get involved in forums where it's discussed.

Which is kinda shame, there's a lot of stuff I could teach kids about OS X for example works but it always turns into a shitstorm when "outsiders" come and comment their "insight" on things.
Not unlike you doing the reverse in the hackintosh thread?
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Not unlike you doing the reverse in the hackintosh thread?
You could back in time on these forums and find a bunch of threads where we were talking about OS X and woosh, PC Gaming Master Race came in and spread their "superior opinions" because hurr durr we are superior and anyone not using Windows is a spastic inferior retard.

I quit Neowin because every single fscking thread on the Apple forums there was crapped on by the 'Master Race'.

If you tell anyone to stop being spastic, the usual result is "THESE ARE OPEN FORUMMMZZZZZZZZ, U R NOT ADMINZ". People could just, you know, skip the threads where things-that-don't-really-involve-them are being discussed about. Not every single iTunes-OSX-Apple-Whatever threads needs "LOL U COULD BE USING WINDOWS BECAUSE APPLICATIOSSSSHHHHHH".
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You could back in time on these forums and find a bunch of threads where we were talking about OS X and woosh, PC Gaming Master Race came in and spread their "superior opinions" because hurr durr we are superior and anyone not using Windows is a spastic inferior retard.

I quit Neowin because every single fscking thread on the Apple forums there was crapped on by the 'Master Race'.

If you tell anyone to stop being spastic, the usual result is "THESE ARE OPEN FORUMMMZZZZZZZZ, U R NOT ADMINZ". People could just, you know, skip the threads where things-that-don't-really-involve-them are being discussed about. Not every single iTunes-OSX-Apple-Whatever threads needs "LOL U COULD BE USING WINDOWS BECAUSE APPLICATIOSSSSHHHHHH".
Fair enough.
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Spoken like someone who is trying to justify a lack of innovation.

Sometimes it is enough. And if that is who the audience is, fair enough. There is a reason so many are moving to other devices. And the longer folks hold onto their iPhone 4/4's, the easier it will be to justify moving to another device than one with iOS.
I honestly don't use my phone for a ton of stuff. If it's streamlined, bug free, and quick in performance I'm happy. I think most users are like this, however. Android vs iOS is like Linux vs Windows. Linux is 10x more flexible and powerful, but for a lot of people there is no reason to leave the comfort of Windows. Actually, it's ironic since Android is based off Linux.
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How do y'all keep meandering to all these places?

Why can't we just have a cogent conversation about the UI?
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I don't see why people get all worked up about phone wars lol. It's like truck people trying to convince bikers that they're missing out. iOS is different than Android, that's a GOOD thing... gives people options. Hopefully this new refresh doesn't fugly iPhones up, but until we can see it we are just babling for fun.
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I don't see why people get all worked up about phone wars lol. It's like truck people trying to convince bikers that they're missing out. iOS is different than Android, that's a GOOD thing... gives people options. Hopefully this new refresh doesn't fugly iPhones up, but until we can see it we are just babling for fun.
Read the original post. Read the first several responses after it.

It was a conversation about the UI. I posted my views on why I think the UI is not good, and why other UI's have superseded iOS's layout.

It isn't a phone war unless you make it so. Some people get super defensive, and then posit all kinds of things that aren't even relevant.
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So you got a job at the company that's actually been innovating it's UI's? Congrats
I'm nowhere near the Android UI team. Although I can tell you the public has only seen about 20% of what's really going on in the Google Now / Google Voice department. Lots to come!
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How do y'all keep meandering to all these places?

Why can't we just have a cogent conversation about the UI?
You've assumed that Apple needs to, and said that the reason their stock price was being affected is because of their poor UI on iOS...
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Hey, you're right, none of us have jobs

And none of us work in a Fortune 100 company, or have any idea about marketing, merchandising, UI, or any other items.

Tell us more about how awesome you are and how much everyone else sucks for not having a job vvanks.

Honestly you do not. Working at a third rate company doesn't give you close to the real amount of experience required for UI design oe marketing. There's a reason why fortune 100 companies are fortune 100 companies. And it definitely doesn't come down to luck
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You've assumed that Apple needs to, and said that the reason their stock price was being affected is because of their poor UI on iOS...
Pretty sure I was talking about innovation, or rather the lack thereof, in the OS. The whole package does have an impact on share prices as they are a cash cow for Apple.

I have also repeatedly said that they will sell millions of units regardless of what they do or don't do

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Honestly you do not. Working at a third rate company doesn't give you close to the real amount of experience required for UI design oe marketing. There's a reason why fortune 100 companies are fortune 100 companies. And it definitely doesn't come down to luck
So, are you apologizing to those of us who work in Fortune 100 companies then, or actually anyone who has a job? Or are you just going to troll some more and tell people to get jobs?

What exactly are you contributing to this thread?
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Give me Android on an iPhone and I'd buy one. Though it'd need a back button. Apple's OS's are the reason I don't buy Apple ANYTHING. They are not good at OS's.
not really an iphone, but it's close enough
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The whole package does have an impact on share prices as they are a cash cow for Apple.
The weather on any given day will have more impact on share price than any considerations over future revenues and sales. There is no such thing as the "value investor" anymore. It's all HFT and margin on the buyer side, and options trading (which is just a method to avoid income taxation) on the selling side.

The stock market is all about getting some poor sucker to pay a higher price than you did. If you're not an insider trader, you can't win. In the case of Apple, it's shareprice was elevated simply because of that monumentally huge retained earnings mound they've accumulated. Each share represents a portion of that asset; I've had this discussion many times with my associates, however, I see that amount of retained earnings in ZIRP environment as emblematic of what ailes the economy, not an example of how things are working. Yes, Apple may be sitting on a huge pile of non-debt based cash but inflation is simply going to eat that asset away.

As for Apple specifically, Apple does sell substantially more in their own "aftermarket" with the App Store and iTunes which makes up a sizeable portion of their revenues, something it's competitors have not achieved (nor can they).
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I'm nowhere near the Android UI team. Although I can tell you the public has only seen about 20% of what's really going on in the Google Now / Google Voice department. Lots to come!
That's good to hear. Also appreciate that they share that stuff with Apple users. Google Now + Voice is kind of a sneak peak to what Glass can eventually do, which is real neat.
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Hey, you're right, none of us have jobs

And none of us work in a Fortune 100 company, or have any idea about marketing, merchandising, UI, or any other items.

Tell us more about how awesome you are and how much everyone else sucks for not having a job vvanks.

Walmart is considered a Fortune 100 company...
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You can get your first taste of the black/white & flat design by downloading the new WWDC app from the app store.

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