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Old Mar 2, 2011, 08:39 PM   #61
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So the top paid apps are not the best apps, the best apps are the ones nobody buys. In the way of productivity Android offers far less options for document creation, along with Androids nonuniform copy and paste system, along with a gaming sections that really only includes angry birds, reckless racing and six emulators.
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Non-uniform copy and paste system? What? If you mean across devices, I can't figure out how that would affect the end user, who only has one device. Really, I don't see how it would affect anyone, end user or developer.
yeah, what do you mean by "nonuniform" copy and paste system?

last time i checked it's as simple as Microsoft Windows...

select your stuff... menu-c to copy, and menu-v to paste

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yeah, what do you mean by "nonuniform" copy and paste system?

last time i checked it's as simple as Microsoft Windows...

select your stuff... menu-c to copy, and menu-v to paste

or something
It's even easier on Honeycomb, when I copy/paste all I have to do is hold my finger over a word, then I can adjust left and right sliders and a copy/paste/selection menu appears up at the top of the screen, it's very well done. To paste, long press in a text field and 'Paste' appears right above the cursor.
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Non-uniform copy and paste system? What? If you mean across devices, I can't figure out how that would affect the end user, who only has one device. Really, I don't see how it would affect anyone, end user or developer.
Across Android apps the copy paste system is completely different, some you can just hold screen others you have to go in to a selection mode. When bouncing between document creation and the internet it is a hassle not to have a singular system.

But I guess the argument for openness means it ban be quick and easy to use.
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Across Android apps the copy paste system is completely different, some you can just hold screen others you have to go in to a selection mode. When bouncing between document creation and the internet it is a hassle not to have a singular system.

But I guess the argument for openness means it ban be quick and easy to use.
I've not noticed this inconsistency the entire time I've used Android, care to detail it further?
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Across Android apps the copy paste system is completely different, some you can just hold screen others you have to go in to a selection mode. When bouncing between document creation and the internet it is a hassle not to have a singular system.

But I guess the argument for openness means it ban be quick and easy to use.
take a look at the Android API for the Clipboard functionality of Android,
http://developer.android.com/referen.../ClipData.html


looks pretty uniform to me..., so what are you referring to?

seems like more of an individual's decision to parse certain content such as HTML...

or are you actually referring to the menu-c, menu-v commands?
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I've not noticed this inconsistency the entire time I've used Android, care to detail it further?
Between the stock browser and Documents to go, the copy paste system is different and is annoyingly so. The copy paste system in android Documents to Go is horrid on the brink of unusable. I don't care if it is a third party app, it is Androids only real document creation/edit program.
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Between the stock browser and Documents to go, the copy paste system is different and is annoyingly so. The copy paste system in android Documents to Go is horrid on the brink of unusable. I don't care if it is a third party app, it is Androids only real document creation/edit program.
I've never used that, don't want to pay 14.99 to see what you're talking about either
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Between the stock browser and Documents to go, the copy paste system is different and is annoyingly so. The copy paste system in android Documents to Go is horrid on the brink of unusable. I don't care if it is a third party app, it is Androids only real document creation/edit program.
could be just how they chose to implement copying and pasting
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could be just how they chose to implement copying and pasting
Doesn't matter it is just shows where Android is limited compared to the Ipad. Documents to Go is just above barely functional on Android and you can't edit documents in Google Docs only view. So if you buy a Android tablet, you are going to have to buy a netbook to go with it, if you want to do work.
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DocumentsToGo should take advantage of Clipboard Manager in Android: http://developer.android.com/referen...rdManager.html
("Interface to the clipboard service, for placing and retrieving text in the global clipboard.")

iOS uses something called UIPasteboard:

http://developer.apple.com/library/i...Reference.html

("The UIPasteboard class enables an application to share data within the application or with another application using system-wide or application-specific pasteboards.")



...its certainly not a shortcoming of Android because it offers similar functionality to iOS...

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Doesn't matter it is just shows where Android is limited compared to the Ipad. Documents to Go is just above barely functional on Android and you can't edit documents in Google Docs only view. So if you buy a Android tablet, you are going to have to buy a netbook to go with it, if you want to do work.
Why? I can use Google Docs in the browser right now, I just logged in, it's the full desktop version under Dolphin HD.

Another powerful option is OfficeSuite Pro, DocumentsToGo isn't your only choice.
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Yep, it's copy and paste is pretty much the same process as the rest of Android, long press then set your left and right sliders. It's not the stock Android version of it, but it works exactly the same way. After you've selected, long press and it gives you a ton of options for formatting or copying/cutting/pasting
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why does everyone try to convince each other why one product is better than another to the point of bitterness?

perhaps we shouldn't knock each other's choices in a manner that gives rise to such debates...

can't we all just be secure in our own decisions without the bickering? i know that some might be wanting vindication, validation, and justification for their purchases amongst peers, but really this all seems a little irrational...
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why does everyone try to convince each other why one product is better than another to the point of bitterness?

perhaps we shouldn't knock each other's choices in a manner that gives rise to such debates...

can't we all just be secure in our own decisions without the bickering? i know that some might be wanting vindication, validation, and justification for their purchases amongst peers, but really this all seems a little irrational...
I seek to cure ignorance.
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Yep, it's copy and paste is pretty much the same process as the rest of Android, long press then set your left and right sliders. It's not the stock Android version of it, but it works exactly the same way. After you've selected, long press and it gives you a ton of options for formatting or copying/cutting/pasting
it makes sense because UIPasteboard and Clipboard Manager are the same general functionality for global copying and pasting, so there is definitely not a lacking in that regard in the Android operating system.
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It's even easier on Honeycomb, when I copy/paste all I have to do is hold my finger over a word, then I can adjust left and right sliders and a copy/paste/selection menu appears up at the top of the screen, it's very well done. To paste, long press in a text field and 'Paste' appears right above the cursor.


iOS is the same exact thing. I hold down on a word, the sentence is highlighted. Then you just drag the sliders on the right and left to specify what you want to highlight. I've never used Honeycomb, but what you just said is the exact same thing iOS does.


edit: I'm assuming you were referring to iOS. If not, disregard. It's nearly impossible to stay on track with you and everyone else's comparisons and bickering. :P
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well at least it's a learning process toward knowing more even though this situation of arguing is backwards...

it's arguing in reverse before actually knowing... sort of based on the brand...


defending the brand... then doing the research to actually vindicate one's assertions... (sort of flimsy on all sides.. both the iOS users, and the Android users)...


beyond the experiential that is...
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iOS is the same exact thing. I hold down on a word, the sentence is highlighted. Then you just drag the sliders on the right and left to specify what you want to highlight. I've never used Honeycomb, but what you just said is the exact same thing iOS does.
iOS every app that supports copy/paste uses the same function as you described, Android on the other had may or may not it is up to the developer. I would prefer systems like that to be uniform.
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iOS is the same exact thing. I hold down on a word, the sentence is highlighted. Then you just drag the sliders on the right and left to specify what you want to highlight. I've never used Honeycomb, but what you just said is the exact same thing iOS does.
makes sense since they both implement a global copy and paste system...
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iOS is the same exact thing. I hold down on a word, the sentence is highlighted. Then you just drag the sliders on the right and left to specify what you want to highlight. I've never used Honeycomb, but what you just said is the exact same thing iOS does.


edit: I'm assuming you were referring to iOS. If not, disregard. It's nearly impossible to stay on track with you and everyone else's comparisons and bickering. :P
No, it's easier than previous versions, I'm aware it kind of copies the iOS copy/paste.
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No, it's easier than previous versions, I'm aware it kind of copies the iOS copy/paste.
Previous versions of Honeycomb? This why I made my edit, I have no idea what you guys are going on about. You guys are far more hardcore about this stuff than I am.
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heh, this is difficult to figure out (for me at least)

but both UIPasteboard and ClipboardManager seem to be system-wide copy and paste managers...

i am fairly confident in saying that the problems being observed are due to the developers preferences...

it would seem that iOS developers can chose to implement a copy and paste feature just as well as Android developers
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Previous versions of Honeycomb? This why I made my edit, I have no idea what you guys are going on about. You guys are far more hardcore about this stuff than I am.
Previous version of Android, Honeycomb is just a code name for the latest version of Android, 3.0
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I see, that makes more sense.

I just watched a few video reviews of the Xoom to check it out, since I've never seen it in action. Looks like a nice device to me, pretty smooth, nice amount of ports/options, and widescreen is nice.
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here's the best explanation i can find for the so-called problems with copying and pasting


22:57 TEpic I have a feeling you can copy from any SDK default text field
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22:58 TEpic non-default, unlikely, would probably have to implement clipboardmanager
22:58 erek what about like
22:58 erek DocumentsToGo
22:58 erek apparently they have a different way to copy/paste
22:58 TEpic they probably dont use SDK default controls
22:58 erek ah


,so basically this is as i have said before... a shortcoming of the developer... and not Android by default

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Plus what else would we talk about if we're not arguing to the death over trivialities??

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why does everyone try to convince each other why one product is better than another to the point of bitterness?

perhaps we shouldn't knock each other's choices in a manner that gives rise to such debates...

can't we all just be secure in our own decisions without the bickering? i know that some might be wanting vindication, validation, and justification for their purchases amongst peers, but really this all seems a little irrational...
This.



Holy ****, erek posted something I agree with.
The Apocalypse is obviously upon us.
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