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Old Feb 22, 2021, 03:24 PM   #5221
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He was talking about just the USA, not the world.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
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Old Feb 22, 2021, 05:34 PM   #5222
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However, these comments got me thinking.

We do have to think about the world as a whole. We're all most worried about our immediate situations and for good reason. The immediate situation is what affects us day-to-day.

However, just because some areas are doing better than others (and are luckier due to wealth and vaccine availability), the health, well being, and vaccination status of all folks is still of pretty high importance as variants will keep coming from areas with rampant disease. So the folks doing well today may not be so lucky tomorrow and the next variant comes out that the vaccine maybe won't protect against.

So regardless of AstraZenca's vaccine not being as effective as Pfizer/Moderna (and J&J's vaccine still being under review), even a less effective vaccine is better than no vaccine so I hope they still push out the vaccine at a reasonable cost to areas who otherwise wouldn't have access to a vaccine.

It is pretty crap that different folks will get access to vaccines of different effectiveness, but any vaccine is better than no vaccine and the disparities that existed prior to the pandemic also exist now and will continue to exist so, at the very least, I'm hopeful that any vaccine reaches those areas (even if it's a Russian or Chinese vaccine), that do not have the ability to produce vaccines themselves.
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Old Feb 22, 2021, 05:41 PM   #5223
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However, these comments got me thinking.

We do have to think about the world as a whole. We're all most worried about our immediate situations and for good reason. The immediate situation is what affects us day-to-day.

However, just because some areas are doing better than others (and are luckier due to wealth and vaccine availability), the health, well being, and vaccination status of all folks is still of pretty high importance as variants will keep coming from areas with rampant disease. So the folks doing well today may not be so lucky tomorrow and the next variant comes out that the vaccine maybe won't protect against.

So regardless of AstraZenca's vaccine not being as effective as Pfizer/Moderna (and J&J's vaccine still being under review), even a less effective vaccine is better than no vaccine so I hope they still push out the vaccine at a reasonable cost to areas who otherwise wouldn't have access to a vaccine.

It is pretty crap that different folks will get access to vaccines of different effectiveness, but any vaccine is better than no vaccine and the disparities that existed prior to the pandemic also exist now and will continue to exist so, at the very least, I'm hopeful that any vaccine reaches those areas (even if it's a Russian or Chinese vaccine), that do not have the ability to produce vaccines themselves.
I wonder if someone had to resort to getting a "less effective" vaccine (because that was all there was available) if they would be able to take a more effective version later? Could there be bad side effects of doing so or could they be perhaps denied because they were already vaccinated
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Old Feb 22, 2021, 07:38 PM   #5224
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I wonder if someone had to resort to getting a "less effective" vaccine (because that was all there was available) if they would be able to take a more effective version later? Could there be bad side effects of doing so or could they be perhaps denied because they were already vaccinated
There was worry at first between getting the 1st dose of Pfizer/Moderna and then swapping for a 2nd dose with explicit direction to NOT do that, but now they're actually studying that (which is a good thing).

However, the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are probably nearly identical as their based on the same underlying mRNA technology and verifying that they can be done interchangeably would be good for the supply chain.

But in all likelihood, yes, you can get a better vaccine later.

There are several flavors of Tentanus vaccine out there made my different manufacturers, and some are just tetanus/diphtheria (Td) and some are tetanus/diphtheria/pertussis (Tdap). So beyond just those two basic types, there are different manufacturing processes whin those types that are not 100% equivalent and then there is the children's version (DTap) which is also different and folks can switch between these with out issues.

HPV got a revamped version to cover more strains and stepping up to the new vaccine was covered in the administration literature.

There's Pneumovax-23 that's been out for years for Pneumonia and then Prevnar-13 that more recently came out and while there is some overlap in the strains covered by one or the other, folks get both - just spaced out.

With influenza, currently there are so many different manufacturers and manufacturing processes that year-to-year, that you may be getting vaccines put together totally differently with each new year's version.

I would still say that researchers should test this stuff before OK'ing it, but if a vaccine is already proven safe and effective, it's unlikely to cause a bad reaction if given to a person who has received another similar vaccine. The only difference is that if there is sufficient overlap and the immunization is given within a relatively recent period, expect your immune system to be none too happy and make you feel like crap - just like the 2nd dose of the Moderna/Pfizer vaccines.
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Old Feb 23, 2021, 04:18 AM   #5225
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we already have groups of people who deny getting vaccinated with AstraZenca because of the side effects. Talking about it on the radio sure "helped" a lot to minimize the panic..... Now even more people aren't willing to get that stuff, bravo.
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Old Feb 23, 2021, 07:18 AM   #5226
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we already have groups of people who deny getting vaccinated with AstraZenca because of the side effects. Talking about it on the radio sure "helped" a lot to minimize the panic..... Now even more people aren't willing to get that stuff, bravo.
The side effects of these vaccines are within reason. Of course someone will have a more severe, allergic reaction. That happens to everything.

Nuts, fruits, egg, milk (and not lactose intolerance - you can be allergic to milk proteins), and the list goes on and on. If you can be allergic to something "natural" you can be allergic to something manufactured. At the end of the day, they're all chemicals and everyone's immune system is different and sensitized towards different things.

However, the aches/pains/chills/mild fever of the COVID vaccines that most folks will get are easily dealt with and subside within a day or two. People are a bunch of weenies and can't bare a bit of discomfort for the physical and mental benefits of not getting the disease and not having to worry as much - like the dumbasses who don't get the flu vaccine because "it gives them the flu." But you're right, we give a loud speaker to these dumb dumbs and then other dumb dumbs that are on the fence listen to them (because of course we'll listen to dumb dumbs rather than, you know, well educated people who we're suspicious of....).
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Old Feb 23, 2021, 08:41 AM   #5227
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Quite a few family members have had either the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines and so far, no one is complaining. "It beats the hell out of COVID" is the standard response to sore arms and feeling ill/off for a day.
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Old Feb 23, 2021, 11:51 AM   #5228
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My wife received the first dose. She's a teacher in Ohio.
I'll wait my turn. I'm still in my 40s and in good health.

I encourage all front line people to get the vaccine. Some older, healthy people I know are waiting longer 1) to see which vaccine is best for them and 2) to allow more doses to be available for the the ill or front line workers.
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My wife is a fking moron - and yes, I told her that verbatim.

She drove out to CO for the weekend with her mom and sister to scout homes/areas for us to move to. Cue today when I get the following 2 texts:

#1 - “ Sooo uncomfortable...we’re at church and I’m literally the only one wearing a mask.”

#2 - “ And everyone is staring at me“

So immediately I thought “what kind of an idiot goes to church in a pandemic” followed by “how much dumber do you have to be to look around at nobody wearing masks and not immediately get back in your car but rather you go sit amongst them.”

Told her to call me and when she did I told her she’s a fcking moron and to choose either the spare bedroom (which has a side entrance to the yard) or a hotel room to quarantine in until she gets 2 negative tests 24 hours apart.

What kind of dumb sh*t knowingly does something like that with an immunocompromised spouse at home?!?!? Jesus H. I’m LIVID.

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Cyko, I gave my GF a weekend to herself over something she did COVID protocol wise. Everything was alright in the end but.... I get it.
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My 16 yr old granddaughter "finally" got it.

I say "finally" only because she has already been quarantined four times-- including when her little brother had it-- without getting it.

Neither she nor her parents have any idea where she got it, as she'd been home from school quite a bit because of the winter storm. [shrugs]
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My 16 yr old granddaughter "finally" got it.

I say "finally" only because she has already been quarantined four times-- including when her little brother had it-- without getting it.

Neither she nor her parents have any idea where she got it, as she'd been home from school quite a bit because of the winter storm. [shrugs]
She will probably shrug it off like a common cold. Now the better question for her parents is... she sneaking out at night?
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My 16 yr old granddaughter "finally" got it.

I say "finally" only because she has already been quarantined four times-- including when her little brother had it-- without getting it.

Neither she nor her parents have any idea where she got it, as she'd been home from school quite a bit because of the winter storm. [shrugs]
She knows exactly how she got it or has a good idea, she just isn't saying.
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how is the j&j single shot vaccine compared to the other stuff? asking for an older family member.
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how is the j&j single shot vaccine compared to the other stuff? asking for an older family.

66%. High enough to probably get approved, but not as good. However, no deaths in their study... so if you got Covid, it wasn't life-threatening. As the second Pfizer/Moderna shot is the one that really seems to do a number on people, the single dose of J&J likely has milder side effects.

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Overall in the study, the vaccine reduced cases of Covid-19 that were rated as moderate to severe by 66.1% when considering cases occurring at least 28 days after vaccination. There were 193 cases that occurred at least 28 days after vaccination in the placebo group and 66 in the vaccine group. As of Feb. 5, there were seven Covid-19 related deaths in the placebo group and none in the vaccine group.
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