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Old Sep 28, 2006, 12:46 PM   #1
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Default Catalyst Media Center is in fact Cyberlink PowerCinema

ATI “Catalyst Media Center” is in fact Cyberlink “PowerCinema 4”,….!!!

I don’t know how to say it in any other way but from my observations I can say with certainty that this is indeed the case. Cyberlink MakeDVD 2.0 also seems to be an integral part of Catalyst Media Center so it may be more accurate to say that Catalyst Media Center is in fact PowerCinema 4 + MakeDVD 2.0 +.

PowerCinema 4 shipped with EPG support but not for the USA. There were rumors of a patch to add EPG support inside the USA. Since Catalyst Media Center has an EPG for the USA it would then seem to be modified or patched for the USA.

Obviously Catalyst Media Center also seems to sport a new skin allowing it to look like something other then what it actually is.

For comparison, one can compare ATI Catalyst Media Center screenshots with Cyberlink PowerCinema screenshots to note the striking and unmistakable similarities:


TV
http://www.ati.com/products/catalyst...r/images/6.jpg
http://images.digitalmedianet.com/20.../livetv500.jpg
The navigation bar and PVR controls should slide in and out of view when the mouse is used or possibly when a keyboard / remote button is used.

Videos
http://www.ati.com/products/catalyst...r/images/5.jpg
http://images.digitalmedianet.com/20.../videos500.jpg
MakeDVD 2.0 adds the “Burn to Disc” option to the menu list and an ATI-Cyberlink H.264 pack may add addition options to the package.

EPG
http://www.ati.com/products/catalyst...r/images/2.jpg
http://www.cyberlink.com/english/pro.../TVprogram.jpg
EPG for USA users seems to be added


MakeDVD 2.0
http://www.ati.com/products/catalyst...r/images/4.jpg
http://www.softpedia.com/screenshots...-MakeDVD_1.jpg
The ATI screenshot actually says “MakeDVD” (a known Cyberlink product)

Home
http://www.ati.com/products/catalyst...r/images/1.jpg
http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/...=108686,00.jpg
The Home screen differs somewhat but not necessarily in any significant way considring the skinning capabilities of PowerCinema.

TV record settings and TV Guide Settings
http://www.ati.com/products/catalyst...r/images/3.jpg
http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/...=108687,00.jpg
Cyberlink PowerCinema TV EPG setup screen and ATI TV recording settings screenshots

http://oceania.digitalmedianet.com/a...e.jsp?id=36802
http://www.ati.com/products/catalyst...reenshots.html


Also note the translucent ATI logo in the lower right-hand side with respect to the translucent Cyberlink logo in the lower right-hand side. Not to mention the location and style of menus, font as well as title screen similarities,….

In my mind there is no doubt whatsoever what ATI “Catalyst Media Center” actually is.

There should be a definitive test though. Cyberlink PowerCinema takes on different forms such as
Dell Media Experience and is quite prevalent in other forms as well.

However, multiple installations my not be permissible so the PowerCinema install program typically detects and prompts the user to uninstall previous versions (older or newer) of the program that goes by so many different names before continuing.

There in is the test, if CMC (Catalyst Media Center) is installed on your system download and attempt to install the CPC demo (Cyberlink PowerCinema). You may or may not need to direct the install path to the CMC installed path. A positive result would be a prompt to uninstall CMC within the CPC demo install program.

Whatever the case, IMO, PowerCinema 4 isn’t that bad of a program and Make DVD is actually very useful and easy to use. The Catalyst Media Center package “may” also include the Cyberlink HD264 Pack for ATI hardware acceleration and the new decoder included in PowerDVD 7 (rather then v6 currently available to ATI users with supported original ATI CD).

Now then, if you are not sure that your existing ATI hardware is supported in Catalyst Media Center simply download and install the PowerCinema 4 trial.

TV Wonder Pro, TV Wonder VE, TV Wonder PCI, TV Wonder USB 2.0, TV Wonder USB and the HDTV Wonder will likely work in CMC. We already know the Theater 650 and 550 will work.

AIW cards, will probably work as well,….

As for a free download for those who still want Catalyst Media Center:

If there is currently a free downloadable version of PowerCinema in some form or another then it would be nothing new for ATI to provide this service to their installed base (albeit costly). Dell probably has patches and upgrade programs (CPC v3 to CPC v4 for example) for the “Dell Media Experience” but this likely depends on a preinstalled state.

From my observations of Cyberlink PowerCinema v3 and v4 (and MakeDVD) the install process requires the entry of a key on the CD case. There is no hardware or BIOS check that would restrict installation to ATI customers and therefore the software would work on a wide variety of hardware. Naturally this would be addressed before the package could be made available to public.

Also consider that the ATI version of PowerCinema v3 that shipped with Theater 550 Pro cards was the only version officially upgradable to support new features:

http://www.cyberlink.com/cinema/ati/3/free-upgrade.jsp


It seems far more likely (cheaper and easier) to upgrade only those ATI customers that already have the ATI version of PowerCinema 3 (TV Wonder Elite) via some sort of downloadable upgrade. Non-ATI customers that bought their products from Sapphire, Visiontek, PowerColor and so on may be left out in the cold (as they were with the free ATI only PowerCinema upgrade linked to above).
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Old Sep 28, 2006, 12:53 PM   #2
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you are so right.
looking in the SETUP for the TV in the AUDIO, trying to select the "downmix" options, and there it is too. cyberlink audio renderer.
also in the registry is ATItechnologies/cyberlink/powerdvd/atimmc


of course i cant find a way to just Pass through to my sound card that already does the dolby stuff, so the options there are decode and smush it into 2 speakers, or pass it to the cyberlink to be psudo dolbyised?

i just got 7 speaker thing, and a 7 speaker audio card, and heck if i can figure out 2 things. how to keep stereo on, and how to just pass it on through out of the ATI tuner, so the sound card can handle the rest.

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Old Sep 28, 2006, 01:51 PM   #3
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I think Cyberlink PowerCinema 4 only supports 5.1 channels but Power DVD 7 supports Dolby Digital EX (7.1) with the “Advanced Audio Pack”. Not really sure if that’s applicable to TV though,…

There may be some audio upgrade packs for PowerCinema 4 as well and if so it may be possible to use them in Catalyst Media Center too.

You can probably see what decoder is used by Catalyst Media Center / PowerCinema 4 by using the “Microsoft Windows XP Video Decoder Checkup Utility”. Catalyst Media Center / PowerCinema 4 probably uses either version 6 or 7.
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Old Sep 28, 2006, 03:03 PM   #4
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It should also be noted that Catalyst Media Center is likely ATI’s choice for multimedia functionality in Windows Vista for products that do not function in Vista MCE or versions of Vista that do not have Vista MCE.

If this is true, then theoretically Cyberlink PowerCinema 4 and Catalyst Media Center should also be functional in Vista now (possibly RC1 build 5600 and 5728 ). If not, a patch may allow for such functionality in the future.
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Old Sep 28, 2006, 05:53 PM   #5
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That is what I have trying to figure out all along as stated below.

This information is quoted from a different forum

I don't know if this information is useful, but read my post at the following link. http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33865160
From what I was told from ATI is the All in Wonder and the TV Wonder 200 are both using the Theater 200 Chip? My question is what prevents me from using the new Catalysts Media Center on my All in Wonder X1900? I was also told that the TV Wonder 200 will support picture in picture on the new All in Wonder cards. I'm only speculating and would like feedback. Thanks...

Hey Zob,
From what I had just posted,

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ATI has not announced official support for CMC on AIW and previous generation TV Wonder products, like the AIW X1900.

That doesn't mean that it won't work at all, it will probly work fine as you said. But since we do not officially support it, there may be some minor problems that may go unresolved. But since CMC is only available with the TV Wonder 650, and 200, you should not even have to worry about this. <-- That's what prevents you from using CMC on you AIW X1900.

Thanks for the reply. The information you tell me is useful. One of the reasons I am asking is, since I'm using the All in Wonder X1900 and would like to use the TV Wonder 650 for the high-definition TV tuner. Will the two TV tuner cards play well together on the same computer? And if so which software would you use or could you have both media center programs on the same computer together? The All in Wonder X1900 works fairly well as a TV tuner, but the picture quality is nothing to get excited about. There's a couple of irritating glitches in the Media Center software. One of which, every time you hit a mono station then go back to a stereo station the tuner stays in the mono mode. Another glitch is the Remote Wonder Plus guide button does nothing. It is the same if you use the furnished CD or download the new drivers off the Internet. I have reported both of these incidents to ATI and they say they're aware of the problem but there's no known resolution at this time.

Zob,
I see what you are trying to do. This should work with CMC, but since there is no "Official Support" for the AIW cards, I can't really guarantee you that it will work. To make it simple, it works, but if there is any problems with it, ATI probably won't do anything about it untill it is officially supported. If it ever is.

I hope this info is useful.
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Old Sep 28, 2006, 07:04 PM   #6
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Well Zob, basically, Catalyst Media Center features should closely parallel that of Cyberlink PowerCinema.

BTW, here is another version that Packard Bell bundles with its systems:

http://support.packardbell.com/uk/it...ppn=PB34315104

Quite a few screenshots there for comparison.
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Wow, good find!

I guess my earlier prediction that inactivity and reduced trend of quality of MMC and WDM drivers for the past several years being resources on production of new software was off-track.

Has anyone tried PowerCinema 4 with ATI AIW hardware? It looks unclear how well supported AIW/RW may be. But if $99 solves my 3+ year long headaches, I'm totally up for it.

I have Power Directory and Power DVD as well, so I'm very fond of Cyberlink's software. They've been really good on the support for me too... answering emails, opening tickets and getting REAL fixes in a very timely, attentive manner.
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There is no need to buy PowerCinema 4 for $99.

I recently bought a Powercolor Theater 550 Pro T55E-P03 PCIe x1 card for $44.99 (after rebate) and it came with PowerCinema 4 and Cyberlink DVD Solutions (with PowerDVD 6) at no extra cost.

Granted the PowerColor version didn’t come with MakeDVD 2.0 or any additional bells and whistles like the AVIVO transcode utilities or the like but the retail version of PowerCinema doesn’t come with that either. The new ~$50 TV Wonder 200 comes with ATI’s Catalyst Media Center as well,…

So ~$99 for PowerCinema isnt exactly a bargain IMO.
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Has anybody tried the Catalyst Media Center on the All in Wonder video cards yet? The TV Wonder 200 comes with this media center. It is on sale this week at Best Buy for $49. It would be interesting to find out. I don't know if I would spend $50 to find out if it works or not but could be a solution to many of the problems
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One of the easiest and cheapest ways of testing the compatibility of an AIW is to simply download the PowerCinema 4 trial and install it:

http://www.cyberlink.com/multi/downl...ls_12_ENU.html

It also gives the user an idea as to whether or not they will actually like the software. One problem though, the PowerCinema 4 trial may not have an EPG for the USA.
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I tried Power Cinema 4 with my AIW X800XT, but I can't remember if it was with CATs 6.2 or 6.8. But it was only very brief, certain not a full feature test.

I found the interface was pretty good, at least I had no problems with the way it worked or the way it was arranged. It seems a lot of these apps are using the same style (like gbpvr, mythtv and the like) -- all integrated into one app, media centre style. Setup went without a problem.

The tuning of the channels was horrendously slow, and buggy. The tuning of the channels didn't always get pulled in correctly -- had to go up and down just to fix it.

I didn't give it a full chance to be honest, and I may or may not have had updated drivers installed. So it may have been an abberation. Regardless, this was enough to kill it for me.

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Jogee, was that test with PowerCinema 3 or PowerCinema 4 ?

PowerCinema 3, was IMO, a rather poor effort on the part of Cyberlink. Due to its many flaws, PowerCinema 3 was widely despised by Theater 550 Pro users that had the misfortune of having the application bundled with their card.

PowerCinema 4 is something of a different animal and greatly improved. While it isn’t an excellent product without flaw it is very serviceable.

PowerCinema 4 will probably be stigmatized by its predecessor. ATI is well aware of the cold reception PowerCinema 3 received which is probably why (in part) they are not volunteering information about Catalyst Media Center’s origins / source.
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Agustus,

As I stated that was with Power Cinema 4. I had also heard bad things about version 3 from a friend with a Theater 550. So I was curious to try version 4 what with all the talk about it being essentially CMC.

I honestly don't remember which drivers I tested with. I wish I had written down notes on this one. If I'm feeling up to it this weekend, I might just try again.

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Ah, I missed that sorry,…

Well then your input could be very telling with respect to AIW + CMC (AKA CPC) performance and functionality. Driver version may be of much less importance in an application like CMC / CPC. Indeed, MMC may have been very sensitive to driver changes but this might not be the case with other applications. My ATI hardware in MCE 2K5 had very little variation in performance due to driver change.

Actually, most of the issues that I have come across in the past almost certainly stemmed directly from MMC, not the drivers.

Since I mainly use MCE 2K5 I don’t really want to test CPC / CMC or any other PVR software on such platforms for fear of causing problems with otherwise well working systems. I tested MMC 9.04 once and it caused a problem in MCE that remained after uninstalling it. It was hell to fix too. It can really be difficult troubleshooting and fixing MCE 2K5 if something goes wrong. After all, you cannot just uninstall and reinstall the PVR app since it is integrated into the OS.

At any rate, for those that are interested, CPC should still be a good test and an accurate representation of CMC form and function.

I have to say though, after finally knowing what CMC actually is,….I am somewhat disappointed. I mean, I probably wouldn’t be swayed away from MCE 2K5 anyway save for Vista MCE which is looking really good in RC1 5600 (didn’t try 5728 yet but will soon),…. But I am still a bit disappointed that CMC isn’t,… more,… new,…. different,… unique,…..

CMC is basically,… off the rack,…

I’m not really surprised though,…
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Agustus, I tried Power Cinema 4 on a test hard drive it has Catalyst Control Center 6.9 and Multimedia Center 9.15. It seemed to work fairly well with a little bit of audio problems on the TV. The FM radio worked fine. The picture quality is about the same as the ATI Multimedia Center. There's no TV Guide and limited functionality with the TV Wonder Remote. So if your theory is correct then Catalyst Media Center should work fine on the All in Wonder X1900. The ATI representative also stated it would function, but if you had problems with it you were on your own.
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Well for what its worth, the TV Wonder 200 and probably the Theater 650 Pro install disc number is as follows:

180-V01118-100

If ATI stays true to form, it will sell this disc for ~$12.99 at shop.ati.com in due time!!!

$12.99 sure beats ~$99 for PowerCinema 4 retail or ~$50 for PowerCinema 4 OEM with a Theater 550 Pro or Catalyst Media Center with a TV Wonder 200.

CMC may have a few tweaks added to it though,…

Good to know the AIW works in CPC 4 / CMC though even if it needs a little help here and there,…

What audio problems did you experience?

Perhaps there will be some new enhancements for the remote wonder in the next driver refresh. For example, last time there were some added features (plug-in) for MCE with remote wonder drivers. Perhaps this time there will be a CMC / CPC plug-in.
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Agustus, on CPC 4 the audio occasionally breaks up. The TV Wonder 650 is probably the best way to go but I don't know if I'm willing to part $135 plus tax at BB, since the MSRP is only $130. Other stores will be carrying them shortly and the price will go down. From what I have read the TV video quality is excellent. I just have not found anybody that has one with the All-in-Wonder card. Windows Media Edition seems to be the best way to go for these All in Wonder & TV cards. But being this close to a new operating system I don't know about buying XP Media Edition when Windows Vista will be out shortly.
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Well for what its worth, the TV Wonder 200 and probably the Theater 650 Pro install disc number is as follows:

180-V01118-100
I can't see this item on the page.
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Windows Media Edition seems to be the best way to go for these All in Wonder & TV cards. But being this close to a new operating system I don't know about buying XP Media Edition when Windows Vista will be out shortly.
Well, since MCE is my PVR of choice I am hardly impartial in this respect but I agree with this sentiment. BeyondTV is really good too though.

It may not be wise to buy MCE 2K5 now considering that Vista is supposedly so close but one needs to consider a few things:

1) MCE 2K5 will support the AIW line now (AIW 9000 and up).

2) Vista builds and ATI drivers thus far do not support the multimedia components of the AIW line and there is no evidence that they ever will.

3) Only Vista Home Premium and Vista Ultimate Edition will have Vista MCE

4) MCE 2K5 goes for about $109 and is OEM only while Vista will come in both OEM and Retail packages ranging from about $150 for the upgrade version of Vista Home Premium and goes up from their.

However, since we don’t know if AIW cards and Vista MCE will ever work, users may have to make some tough choices. Frankly, the closer we get to 2007 without AIW support in current builds of Vista the worse it looks,… but they may pull it together in the 11 th hour.

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I can't see this item on the page.
With all due respect, I’m not sure what you are looking for. I said:

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If ATI stays true to form, it will sell this disc for ~$12.99 at shop.ati.com in due time!!!
“In due time” meaning sooner or later the 180-V01118-100 disc will likely be for sale at the going rate of most if not all other included software discs. The location or point of sale would be shop.ati.com if this comes to pass.

If you do a search for disc number 180-V01118-100 on ati.com you probably will not find it but just about every other disc will show up.

Users with the ATI install disc housing CMC can verify the disc number but I got the disc number here :

It’s a series of photos from the TV Wonder 200 product including three close-up shots of the tuner card, cables, close-up shot of the install disc and product packaging.

TV Wonder 200 TV Tuner - Retail
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MCE 2K5 is probably the most stable because it is integrated into the operating system. It is not dealing with any third party software outside of the drivers for the card.

Catalysts Media Center may be a fix but the only way, at this time to acquire it is to purchase one of the new TV cards. The TV Wonder 650 seems to have the best picture quality on the market, from what I've read. And will also have Windows Vista support in the future. Unless some third-party programmer can provide additional support for the All in Wonder series video cards or ATI decides to make drivers available for the new operating system it may be the only alternative to use the All in Wonder as a TV tuner in the future.

The All in Wonder X series video cards are not showing up on the ATI's discontinued list so it is impossible to predict the future unless you have some other inside information. Only time will tell.
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Another quick comparison:

TV
http://www.ati.com/products/catalyst...r/images/6.jpg
http://common.packardbell.com/itemnr.../cpc4_tv01.jpg
Notice how the navigation bare at the top (with home and back buttons) overlaps the “TV” letters almost giving it the appearance of the Roman numeral IV. Also 14 buttons appear in the lower-left of the PVR control bar at the bottom in each instance.

TV Recording Settings
http://www.ati.com/products/catalyst...r/images/3.jpg
http://common.packardbell.com/itemnr.../cpc4_tv07.jpg
The “Recording Quality” drop down menu in Catalyst Media Center really looks like it was tacked on IMO. This may be due in part to enhancements made to Catalyst Media Center (baseline PowerCinema 4) with respect to AVIVO functionality and new file options but the menus no longer look organic / natural IMO.

EPG
http://www.ati.com/products/catalyst...r/images/2.jpg
http://common.packardbell.com/itemnr.../cpc4_tv09.jpg

Videos Recorded TV
http://www.ati.com/products/catalyst...r/images/5.jpg
http://common.packardbell.com/itemnr...myvideos01.jpg

MakeDVD
http://www.ati.com/products/catalyst...r/images/4.jpg
http://www.softpedia.com/screenshots...-MakeDVD_2.jpg
http://www.softpedia.com/screenshots...-MakeDVD_3.jpg
http://www.softpedia.com/screenshots...-MakeDVD_1.jpg
One important thing to note in the ATI and Cyberlink screenshots is the “MakeDVD” name, the font, and location of the letters. Also note that the CD-DVD icon in the upper right-hand corner is the same!!! I for one find it somewhat amusing that they didn’t even bother to change the icon here. I also wouldn’t be surprised if the default included image templates used for authoring DVDs (background images) were exactly the same too. They just made no effort to cover their tracks here.

Apparently PowerCinema 4 has a 3D interface as does Catalyst Media Center, however, it may or may not be active depending on your hardware:

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PowerCinema 4 will supports the 3D user interface if your hardware is powerful enough. To enable the 3D UI, Pentium 4 2.4GB or higher is required. 64 MB of video RAM or higher is also necessary.
http://www.cyberlink.com/multi/suppo...075&nProdId=16

BTW, there has been one report of PowerCinema 4 installation requiring that Catalyst Media Center be uninstalled. This likely works both ways however. In all probability what is happening here is that PowerCinema is recognizing Catalyst Media Center for what it is (PowerCinema). This will probably happen with MakeDVD as well if Catalyst Media Center is already installed (or the other way around). Any Cyberlink H.264 plug-in add-on packs may have the same effect,...
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And now for another quick look:

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These setup screenshots are basically identical with the exception of the skin. Take note that the wording is almost identical wherein only the names have been changed to protect the innocent,…..




Select 4:3 or 16:9 ratio and again note the wording.




Choose from analog or digital tuners.




Select cable or antenna




Autoscan,….

and so on,....

There really is no question as to whether or not “Catalyst Media Center” is really Cybrlink “PowerCinema”,….

Just none at all,…
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Old Oct 29, 2006, 02:43 PM   #23
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The only real question now (in my mind that is) "Is this seemingly long devlopment time for a already devloped program because they are tweaking it to be more stable and compatable?"

I hope so because PowerCinema didn't exactly mesh well with my TVWonderPro (which I plan to replace soon anyway mind you)
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Whatever development that went in into Catalyst Media Center 1.0 probably involved the new skin, new menu system, AVIVO transcode utility integration, USA EPG and a few other relatively minor tweaks,…

All reported bugs from ATI users probably have to be collected by ATI and consequently passed on to Cyberlink before they can be addressed.

Aside from patches, any significant upgrades will likely require further development of the base product. For example, Cyberlink PowerCinema 4 was an improvement over PowerCinema 3 and PowerCinema 2. It is possible that Catalyst Media Center/Cyberlink PowerCinema will not improve noticeably until PowerCinema 5 becomes available.

Generally speaking though, public opinion of Cyberlink PowerCinema is probably very low, especially among Theater 550 Pro users that were initially saddled with it some time ago.

There were many users that wanted to see a break from MMC but PowerCinema isn’t exactly well received either and for good reason.

It would have been preferable, at least IMO, for ATI to have chosen a PVR application that was widely praised (instead of widely despised) such as BeyondTV 4.
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Being an AIW owner (I have 3 of them. See sig.) I do need to tell you folks with AIW cards to not hold your breath waiting for support. The ENTIRE AIW team was let go from AMD/ATI. The cards are EOL and are not going to be made any more.

I knew when I bought my AIW X800XT last year that it would be the last AIW card I purchased. It was a good run for me. Over six years with the line and very few complaints. I'm sad to see them go, but at the same time, with the way the software ended up with the last 5-6 releases, I'm not missing much. I stopped updating drivers and software past 5.13 and MMC 9.0.6.1

I seriously doubt that since the team responsible for the creation and support of the AIW line of cards is gone, that ATI/AMD will do anything concerning supporting what is now a legacy product with new software.

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Interesting,…

Interesting especially if you consider ATI’s recent behavior with respect to Vista support:

The TV Wonder 200 has been promoted as having future Vista support. Essentially, according to ATI, drivers for the product will be made available when Vista ships.

The TV Wonder 650 (Theater 650) is a Vista Premium Logo part and has been functional in recent Vista builds. ATI has made no secret of TV Wonder 650 Vista support.

So ATI has been very vocal about some parts with respect to planned Vista support. It wasn’t necessary for them to volunteer this info but they did it anyway probably because it was a means to promote awareness and sales.

However, ATI hasn’t volunteered any information with respect to the AIW line in terms of Vista support. In fact, quite to the contrary, if asked directly about AIW support ATI basically stonewalls (delays, obstructs, hampers, stalls, hinders,…..drag one's feet).

If they don’t have proper support now and they have already disbanded their ENTIRE AIW team,….and they wont issue any official info about Vista-AIW support,….things don’t look good for the AIW line in Vista,...…

I guess I’m OK with no AIW-Vista support but there is no legitimate reason to stonewall and withhold info that they almost certainly already have. If they are going to support the AIW in Vista MCE then say so if not then say so. The only reason I can think of to withhold this information would be to keep sales and prices of AIW current stock up,…even if they don’t intend to keep the AIW line they don’t want to devalue current stock or hinder their ability to move said stock,…
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ya know agustus, there is one thing i dont understand about this NEW junk.
why does it take a HUGE requester to ask one STUPID question?
and do people think that really makes things simpler?
does a 450K set of Bitmaps (skins) really improve a program that mabey needs 72K to do the entire setup on ONE page , in 1/2 the time.

AKA : those interfaces make me BARF , people know how to use computers now, they dont have to treat us like were mentally deficient, with big buttons and huge cute pictures to make ONE single bit binary change.
if this is the future, they will never get to the moon :-)

i seen some of the junk for doing the TV on some newer computers , and its 75% skin overlapping the whole computer with buttons for the blind , it just makes me sick. its a computer FIRST, WITH tv addition, yet some programmers think that THIER program is the only thing you will have on the computer.
sure, were buying 2500$ computers to watch TV LOL.

ohh look at the pretty picture, BARF :-)

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Catalyst Media Center (AKA PowerCinema) simply follows a new set of applications in its mimicking of “Media Center Edition”. The big buttons and images are simply a trend in design that reflects what many users may actually want in a 10 foot interface.

Oddly enough, the new Vista MCE actually borrows from MMC’s EasyLook by incorporating side scrolling (horizontal) rather then simply the ubiquitous vertical scrolling.

Its not for everyone but for those who wish to use their PC with a remote at a distance it is necessary.
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I bought a TV Wonder 650, which comes with CMC, and I can confirm that it IS Cyberlink PowerCinema. Browsing the folders on the CD and my HD after installing I found a few Cyberlink folders. It works great, except for one huge flaw: The program guide just sits there saying "connecting" forever, and this is after entering my zipcode and having it successfully find my local cable provider. Using NetLimiter I discovered it was trying to connect to 203.73.25.209 which is in Taiwan, and is apparently permanently down (tried over a several day period).

For you AIW owners, I can confirm that it works with them (at least with my AIW 2006 which has the software encoder) and I can use both tuners simultaneously with PIP, etc.

I'm so pissed about the guide not working I'm willing to send anyone who wants CMC a copy straight from the CD. Just PM me on Yahoo Messenger. Let ATI sue me, at least that will be some contact
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I have the 650 and can confirm that it DOES eventually download the program guide and allow one to schedule recordings from it. It doesn't work all that well, but is does work. That site may be down now, but it wasn't when I last used it several weeks ago.

Having said that, though, I'm not that happy with CMC. It gets the job done, just barely, but has too many bugs and limitations to make it truly useful. It even makes me miss MMC in some ways! It would appear that Agustus and others are right about the ideal option being to upgrade to MCE to get a really useful TV/DVR front end.
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