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Old Sep 13, 2003, 08:18 PM   #1
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Default THE END OF STEAM THREADS: Steam will NOT require an internet connection for LAN play

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Old Sep 13, 2003, 08:20 PM   #2
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the "new" faq still says it will be required.
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Old Sep 13, 2003, 08:20 PM   #3
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the "new" faq still says it will be required.
No. This is what the FAQ says:

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Do I have to be connected to the Internet when I play Steam games?

The short answer is yes.

All Steam-enabled games require you to be connected to the Internet in order to play.

Note: some Steam-enabled single-player games (such as Half-Life 2) purchased at a retail store will allow offline play until the user decides to play online or enable other Steam functionality. From that point on, an Internet connection will be required.

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Still pretty lame if you ask me. But no one did so...
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umm what is steam?
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Old Sep 13, 2003, 09:49 PM   #7
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Steam is the vaporous form of Water, or H20.
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Old Sep 13, 2003, 09:55 PM   #8
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No. This is what the FAQ says:

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Do I have to be connected to the Internet when I play Steam games?

The short answer is yes.

All Steam-enabled games require you to be connected to the Internet in order to play.

Note: some Steam-enabled single-player games (such as Half-Life 2) purchased at a retail store will allow offline play until the user decides to play online or enable other Steam functionality. From that point on, an Internet connection will be required.

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Internet connection will be required for SP and LAN

Note: some Steam-enabled single-player games (such as Half-Life 2) purchased at a retail store will allow offline play until the user decides to play online or enable other Steam functionality. From that point on, an Internet connection will be required.
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Old Sep 13, 2003, 10:30 PM   #9
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Taken from Half-Life2.nets forums.

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Just recieved confirmation from Gabe that Steam will NOT require an internet connection for LAN or single play. All you LAN partiers out there and guys in Australia with broadband where you pay for the bandwidth that you use or where your bandwidth is capped will not need to worry.

I'd just like to say before I post the e-mail that this is once again a fine example that Valve are NOT idiots like some of you seem to think.
And all you conspiracy theorists can all rest with your "omg teh Vaelv hav a deel wiv meh ISP so tha tehy get moor munnie from meh!!"

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Deeming [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 4:16 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Will it never cease?


I'm not sure if it will ever cease or not. The constant nagging question
that people are asking - Will Steam be required to have an internet
connection active when starting up a singleplayer game or a LAN game?

It's giving me a headache

Seen the petition yet?

Chris_D

No, it won't.

There will be a brief transition (like two weeks) when it is necessary, but
then it will go away. It's a temporary issue.

EDIT: If you all want a screenie to prove authenticity, then let me know and I'll post one up.


This was posted in the STEAM Petition Thread. Basically, it says that Steam will be required for SP/LAN for the 1st TWO WEEKS that you have the game. After that, you will NO LONGER need an internet connection.
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Old Sep 13, 2003, 10:39 PM   #10
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Taken from Half-Life2.nets forums.

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Just recieved confirmation from Gabe that Steam will NOT require an internet connection for LAN or single play. All you LAN partiers out there and guys in Australia with broadband where you pay for the bandwidth that you use or where your bandwidth is capped will not need to worry.

I'd just like to say before I post the e-mail that this is once again a fine example that Valve are NOT idiots like some of you seem to think.
And all you conspiracy theorists can all rest with your "omg teh Vaelv hav a deel wiv meh ISP so tha tehy get moor munnie from meh!!"

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Deeming [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 4:16 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Will it never cease?


I'm not sure if it will ever cease or not. The constant nagging question
that people are asking - Will Steam be required to have an internet
connection active when starting up a singleplayer game or a LAN game?

It's giving me a headache

Seen the petition yet?

Chris_D

No, it won't.

There will be a brief transition (like two weeks) when it is necessary, but
then it will go away. It's a temporary issue.

EDIT: If you all want a screenie to prove authenticity, then let me know and I'll post one up.


This was posted in the STEAM Petition Thread. Basically, it says that Steam will be required for SP/LAN for the 1st TWO WEEKS that you have the game. After that, you will NO LONGER need an internet connection.
Lets see
Who should i believe? A guy posting in a forum or the official FAQ?
Hmmm
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Old Sep 13, 2003, 10:53 PM   #11
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I think valve is screwing themselves over this steamy crap.
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Old Sep 13, 2003, 11:01 PM   #12
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the offcial facts say that you have to turn steam on to play online, that is all.
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Old Sep 14, 2003, 05:30 AM   #13
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Default Steam Final Is Out And It Does Require And Internet Connection.

Umm just to counter act the other post which is rather BS install full steam and unplugged your internet reboot and notice how you can't play games K THNX BAI.

Plz lock the other thread or delete it.
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Old Sep 14, 2003, 05:31 AM   #14
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Taken from Half-Life2.nets forums.

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Just recieved confirmation from Gabe that Steam will NOT require an internet connection for LAN or single play. All you LAN partiers out there and guys in Australia with broadband where you pay for the bandwidth that you use or where your bandwidth is capped will not need to worry.

I'd just like to say before I post the e-mail that this is once again a fine example that Valve are NOT idiots like some of you seem to think.
And all you conspiracy theorists can all rest with your "omg teh Vaelv hav a deel wiv meh ISP so tha tehy get moor munnie from meh!!"

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Deeming [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 4:16 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Will it never cease?


I'm not sure if it will ever cease or not. The constant nagging question
that people are asking - Will Steam be required to have an internet
connection active when starting up a singleplayer game or a LAN game?

It's giving me a headache

Seen the petition yet?

Chris_D

No, it won't.

There will be a brief transition (like two weeks) when it is necessary, but
then it will go away. It's a temporary issue.

EDIT: If you all want a screenie to prove authenticity, then let me know and I'll post one up.


This was posted in the STEAM Petition Thread. Basically, it says that Steam will be required for SP/LAN for the 1st TWO WEEKS that you have the game. After that, you will NO LONGER need an internet connection.
Steam is out you require an internet connection in 2 weeks you still will this is bs.
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Old Sep 14, 2003, 05:49 AM   #15
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Steam is the vaporous form of Water, or H20.
Hhahahaah very funny i was expecting that, no really what is steam and why do i see all these threads on it, i can't be bothered to look it up so i thought i'd ask any of you nice people ?
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Okay, so even if you can play it out of the box for LAN or Single-player, which you probably will be able to, if you want to play on LAN I guarntee you that you'll be playing on 1.0. Now, I wonder just how many MODs will work with 1.0, once they've released a few patches. Which won't take them too long, just watch. All I know, is that I don't need some nazi program deciding how my game is installed and run, and when I update. If Half-Life 2 isn't tweakable, and the only part of Half-Life 2 I ever see are those darned "cache files" that I waited an hour before I stopped Steam from trying to make, HL2 can go to hell. Steam got deleted, Riot Shields can suck themselves and I'm not reinstalling Steam unless I hear some very good things about it and Half-Life 2.
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Old Sep 14, 2003, 11:12 AM   #18
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lmao its simple, if u wanna play online u need steam running, if u play single player u dont need it running, simple enuff for you? its nothing huge

(except that steam sucks donkey balls)
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if u play single player u dont need it running, simple enuff for you? its nothing huge

(except that steam sucks donkey balls)
YES YOU DO, THEY HAVE SAID YOU DO

although they say it might only be for the first few weeks.
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I just received a reply to an E-mail I sent to Gabe Newell last night. He said to 'Follow his E-mail' which is the one I posted about, with the 2 week internet connection required. Here is a screenshot of my Outlook Express with his name and reply and original question sent to him.





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Acctually if you had ANY grasp of the english language you would understand that it is saying for the moment it DOES require a internet connection to validate but soon it will not. Now shut the hell up.
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So qwqwq will you give it a chance now? Hehe.
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Holy **** he just got pwned the **** out.
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Although an earlier poster characterized Steam as "Nazi software", I seriously doubt that Valve is trying to use Steam(or any of their other software for that matter) as a tool for world domination by a Master Race.

Having said that, unintended (perhaps nefarious) consequences could result as I believe that a bad precedent could be set by the utlization of a 'Steam-like-construct'.

Namely, I suspect that Valves' highest priority, in regards to Steam, is in fact copy protection.

Valve has every right to protect their property (please note I did not say intellectual property but when does that cause harm to me, as a authorized (read payed for) user?

As established in the late 60's & early 70's via several court rulings vis-a-vie, blank cassete tap, the legal concept of Fair Use has been well established.

It would seem to me that Steam, at least as presented via the official FAQ, is too far reaching & is in violation of Fair Use.

Imagine, that you bought the new CD, SACD, or DVD-A of your favorite performing artist. Now imagine that every time you wanted to use that software you had to obtain a explicit, specific liscense from the producers to utilize that software. I would consisder such power to be unduly coercive & if such power was to be granted, then only to the Government in a very, extremely limited situation. I think the phrase, "None of their damn business", would apply; Furthermore, what if HL-3 or 4 comes out & Valve just decides that HL-2 is no longer to be supported. Are they obligated to release the final patch that negates Steam or do they just leave the HL-2 buyers SOL?

Although, I too like many of you, am eargerly awating the release of Half-Life 2, if I had the werewithal, I would file suit against the producers of Steam on the day of HL-2 release, as this matter needs to be settled by Supreme Court ruling asap.
Also, this concept of master tracking was tried with DiVX (the Circuit City DVD's that would only work for a limited time, in exchange for lower purchase price. However if you wanted to watch again a year later or over at your friends house you had to pay again) & it proved an abysmal failure in the consumer marketplace.

We are all aware of most modern software liscensing that states that the user does not own the software, but instead, only has right of use. No court case in this area has went any higher than appelate level in this country. The legal concept that software , as opposed to a service, can have the fair use rights rescinded arbitrarily is dubious at best, & in my opinion (IANAL) also un-constitutuional.
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I just received a reply to an E-mail I sent to Gabe Newell last night. He said to 'Follow his E-mail' which is the one I posted about, with the 2 week internet connection required. Here is a screenshot of my Outlook Express with his name and reply and original question sent to him.



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Until they fix the FAQ, i don't believe ****. Or until Gabe replies to my ****ing email, which i sent 3 days ago, with the same ****ing question.

And no, i didn't act the same as i do in this forum, I was real nice.
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Until they fix the FAQ, i don't believe ****. Or until Gabe replies to my ****ing email, which i sent 3 days ago, with the same ****ing question.

And no, i didn't act the same as i do in this forum, I was real nice.
Maybe he has better things to do then relpy to your e-mails.
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Maybe he has better things to do then relpy to your e-mails.
I wonder how the people who defend Steam all the time, get replies from Gabe in few hourse. But 3 days and i still didn't get anything. I guess he didn't like my name or omething
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As you have stated, the Software company is only licensing the 'use' of their software. This is where the problem lies. If you agree to their EULA, then you accept the fact that you cannot 'own' their software. If you do not agree with what the EULA stands for, and imply's, then you cannot use their software. This is why it hasn't been taken to any higher courts. The fact is that the EULA is a binding legal contract between the End User, and the Software Company. The only way to stop the EULA from being there is to take it to court, where you will probably lose.

Also, another thing that you said is that Steam is stopping you from using the Fair Use Act. Why do you think that? If you buy HL2 online with Steam, then if you format just install STEAM again and you can download it again for free (At least, that is my understanding). All STEAM is doing is keeping you from running their software on 2 computers, with 1 license.
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qwqwq,

Why don't you re-send him the E-mail, with a subject similar to mine or something like that? Maybe he missed your E-mail? Maybe it never got delivered? After 3 days, my guess is that he either A) Mistakenly (or purposely) deleted it, or B) He never received it.
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qwqwq,

Why don't you re-send him the E-mail, with a subject similar to mine or something like that? Maybe he missed your E-mail? Maybe it never got delivered? After 3 days, my guess is that he either A) Mistakenly (or purposely) deleted it, or B) He never received it.
I did that after i saw your post with Gabe's reply.
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