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Old Sep 17, 2019, 07:10 PM   #1
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Publisher Rockstar Games announced a new PC launcher. The Rockstar Games Launcher is a one-stop-shop for everything Rockstar Games, from launching titles like L.A. Noire and Max Payne 3 to purchasing Shark Cards, Grand Theft Auto V's premium in-game currency. Rockstar's new PC launcher will feature cloud saves, automatic game updates, support for disc-based and digital games (even if they're bought from another storefront), and more. San Andreas is offered for free for a limited time when you download the launcher, which is free to do as well. It's unclear how this launcher will impact Rockstar's games on Steam.

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They already had one with the games club launcher. Guess they wanted it to be more in your face?
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Looks like erryone is ripping off the same design language these days.

It's similar to the blizzard and bethesda launchers where you can minimize the game titles to the left side as icons.

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If they added a PC version of RDR2 to the launcher I will be all over it....
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Looks like erryone is ripping off the same design language these days.

It's similar to the blizzard and bethesda launchers where you can minimize the game titles to the left side as icons.

LOL that's what I was thinking. We're going to have 15 launchers that look exactly alike.
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update: just tried to play gtav via steam and it sent me directly to the RGL installation screen.
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update: just tried to play gtav via steam and it sent me directly to the RGL installation screen.
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For years nobody cared about Steam being the main source. Now everyone wants to be a store...
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This is the direct result of Valve refusing to lower their cut to a more reasonable rate, even as bandwidth and hosting costs significantly dropped over the past 20 years.
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update: just tried to play gtav via steam and it sent me directly to the RGL installation screen.
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No doubt part of the plan... possibly direct sales only initially to maximize revenue?
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This is the direct result of Valve refusing to lower their cut to a more reasonable rate, even as bandwidth and hosting costs significantly dropped over the past 20 years.
But Steam provides way more than just bandwith etc. And it cost money...

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Ps. Im not arguing steam vs x store etc. I'm just saying read the article, there is WAY more than just taking 30% cut for "nothing". I do wonder if other companies (R*, Bethesda etc) does take traffic into account etc.
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This is great, I hope everyone is planning on launching their own launcher, pc gaming needs to be saved!
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This is great, I hope everyone is planning on launching their own launcher, pc gaming needs to be saved!
People need to fight with their wallets. If they don't like something, don't buy their titles. Unfortunately, the masses likely won't care and will reward them by giving them more money. I don't play any Rockstar titles so I'm not overly concerned.
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Pretty crappy if Rockstar is directing people to download their launcher to play their games even if they purchased before it was available. Bait and switch tactic.
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GTA Online is dead to me from all the hackers and modders anyway. It only takes moments for the greefing to start once I log on with one of my businesses or motorcycle gang. Has taken all the fun out of what was once an epic game.
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Never said it was for "nothing", not sure where you got that from. Valve deserves their success, they took the risk 15-20 years ago when no one else would (they had approached many other companies at the time to partner with Steam and all turned them down). Back in 2004 when HL2 made Steam a household name, a 30% cut was perfectly fine. Bandwidth and hosting were expensive back then.

Not anymore today. In 2020 Valve are going to take about 200 million dollars away from CD Project Red. Can you really agree that Valve deserves to take a 1/5 billion dollar cut for a title they had NOTHING to do with development wise? The industry needed competition.

PS. I read the article and agree with some of the points. The macdonalds metaphor however is bullshiat. The product is the exact same videogame, so both companies would be selling the exact same 'steak'.
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You say Valve had nothing to do the development but I beg to differ. The money that funded the development in large part was due to sales that were made on the easy-to-use platform that Valve created.

It’s not about deserving. That’s not how industry, finances, or economy functions. Valve offers a far, far, far superior platform and provides much more developed features (many of which I knew nothing about, that was a cool article about the back-end of things) and thus, asks for a bigger cut.

The smaller cut alone isn’t enough for developers to go to other platforms. That’s why Epic has had to push money guarantees along with exclusive contracts, and frankly, what they’ve done is far more anti-competitive than anything Valve has done through Steam.

Valve doesn’t force anyone to use Steam, and they offer a very lucrative package compared to every other store .. so to come back to what “deserving” means in this situation .. yeah they do deserve 30%.
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You say Valve had nothing to do the development but I beg to differ. The money that funded the development in large part was due to sales that were made on the easy-to-use platform that Valve created.

It’s not about deserving. That’s not how industry, finances, or economy functions. Valve offers a far, far, far superior platform and provides much more developed features (many of which I knew nothing about, that was a cool article about the back-end of things) and thus, asks for a bigger cut.

The smaller cut alone isn’t enough for developers to go to other platforms. That’s why Epic has had to push money guarantees along with exclusive contracts, and frankly, what they’ve done is far more anti-competitive than anything Valve has done through Steam.

Valve doesn’t force anyone to use Steam, and they offer a very lucrative package compared to every other store .. so to come back to what “deserving” means in this situation .. yeah they do deserve 30%.
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You’ll pass on rockstar? If GTA 6, RDR 2 come exclusive to their launcher, you’ll install the launcher and be telling your friends, too!
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yeah they do deserve 30%.
If they did, then other Publishers wouldn't be creating their own platform. Lets listen to a Former Valve employee (employed at Valve for 6 years) from a previous post here:

"Steam was killing PC gaming. It was a 30% tax on an entire industry. It was unsustainable. You have no idea how profitable Steam was for Valve. It was a virtual printing press. It distorted the entire company. Epic is fixing this for all gamers."

"I worked for Valve and believe me they gather huge amounts of data about virtually everything you do with the Steam client. Yet no one calls Steam spyware."

"If it wasn’t for Epic the entire industry would still be crunching away to support Valve’s 30% revshare. Most of these profits went to a tiny handful of people who could care less about the industry or working conditions. Thank the gaming gods for Epic."

"Pubs and devs have had enough of funding this insanity. It didn’t need to happen - Valve could have dropped its revshare to 12% and still stayed very profitable. But they got lazy and greedy as we all know they did. If Epic didn’t come around somebody else would."

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How do you determine whether a company deserves 30% based off of whether they create their own launcher or not? Rockstar games are still selling on steam and I wouldn’t be surprised if their future releases do as well. I find it odd that you believe Steam doesn’t deserve 30% because publishers want to maximize their profits with their own launcher/store.

Saying Steam was killing PC Gaming is BS. It’s healthier than its ever been with titles coming out from every angle. The early-access process and ease of advertising through Steam made smaller developers have a fighting chance, 30% cut or not.

Epic being called a “god-send” is an absolute joke. Forcing exclusivity and buying off developers to lock them down into their store is the exact opposite of what the gaming industry needed. Where was Epic for the last 10 years when they abandoned PC Gaming and gave us nothing but trash over and over? Now all of a sudden they’re the saviors of PC Gaming because they took the profits they made off of 12 year olds with their parents CC and used that money to convince developers into exclusivity, consumer-be-damned?

The same exact thing is happening in the stream service industry with Disney strong-arming customers to use their platform by putting their shoes/movies only on their platform..
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30% is a historical value, from a time where brick and mortar stores were the dominant point for sales. Digital platforms do not have that kind of overhead that real worlds stores do, it's only a matter of time before developers and publishers had enough of it and looked elsewhere to sell their product.
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But they’re not looking “elsewhere,” they’re simply selling on their own half-ass client, none of which offer features that are even close to what Steam offers. This was a natural progression that would have occurred no matter what Steam did. Publishers will always want to maximize their profits by cutting out the middle-man (Steam). Rockstar will continue to sell on Steam because it’s worth the increase in sales, achievement support, mod support, social community, etc, while making some sales on their own client/launcher that won’t get hit by the 30%.

None of that has anything to do with whether Valve “deserves” 30%.

I also don’t believe Epic falls under that “looking elsewhere” as they’ve simply thrown money at developers and publishers to pigeon-hole them onto their platform. Developers want to make enough to be able to justify funding for their next title, and Epic is throwing around enough money to make that happen no matter what. No **** they’re going to take that deal. I don’t blame them, but as a consumer you should be ****ing pissed you’re being forced into that platform.

I’m not a steam supporter or valve fanboy. Frankly I think all this **** is BS, but at least Valve isn’t ****ing over consumers with exclusivity nonsense and anti-consumer practices.
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You’ll pass on rockstar? If GTA 6, RDR 2 come exclusive to their launcher, you’ll install the launcher and be telling your friends, too!
never played any GTA or RDR yet why would I start now



I think max payne 3 is the only game of theirs I played
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