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Old Feb 15, 2019, 01:43 PM   #1
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Monitor The Shall Not Grow Old - WWI Doc

For a long time it bothered me that I knew very little about WWI. It was such a pivotal break in western history-- re-arranging the geopolitical landscape for over a century, the advent of mechanized mass-killing warfare, the Russian Revolution, the pre-cursor to WWII, etc.

One of the most helpful sources for me was Dan Carlin's Hardcore History series, Blueprint for Armegeddon. Another was Margaret McMillan's The War that Ended Peace. Yet another is The Great War: 1914-1918 which is now available on Amazon Prime.

Now Peter Jackson has released an arguably ground-breaking documentary about WWI, They Shall Not Grow Old. They've taken actual footage from the era and tweaked it, adding color and sound, with even a 3D version. Unfortunatley for me, it's not showing anywhere nearby.

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Old Feb 15, 2019, 01:49 PM   #2
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I saw this a couple months back.
Really great, but also very brutal. Any history buff should see this. Hoping they continue to use these methods to unearth other historical films.
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Old Feb 15, 2019, 04:59 PM   #3
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I saw this a couple months back.
Really great, but also very brutal. Any history buff should see this. Hoping they continue to use these methods to unearth other historical films.
Did you happen to see the 3D?
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Old Feb 15, 2019, 11:47 PM   #4
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not sure it's the right thing to do. if the original film was used, and the negatives no longer exist, that film is ruined in its original form forever

it's amazing how a slav could kill an archduke prompting germany to invade france. how does that even work
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Old Feb 16, 2019, 01:29 AM   #5
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Definitely going to see this, and hopefully get my dad to see it at some point.
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Old Feb 16, 2019, 07:30 AM   #6
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Did you happen to see the 3D?
Yes....the 3d was very powerful. Takes a bit of time before they start using it but it sure does add life to the narritave..
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Old Feb 16, 2019, 11:19 AM   #7
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it's amazing how a slav could kill an archduke prompting germany to invade france. how does that even work
In a nutshell . . .

1. A patchwork of alliances where small-country conflicts drag in the major powers.
2. Everyone is armed to the teeth with little way to put the brakes on actual warfare once everyone starts mobilizing.
3. A wide-spread false belief that a general war will be quick and-- relatively-- painless.

One of the great ironies is that the Archduke was fairly liberal and had intended sweeping reforms once his daddy died and he became the ruler.
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Old Feb 16, 2019, 06:35 PM   #8
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In a nutshell . . .

1. A patchwork of alliances where small-country conflicts drag in the major powers.
2. Everyone is armed to the teeth with little way to put the brakes on actual warfare once everyone starts mobilizing.
3. A wide-spread false belief that a general war will be quick and-- relatively-- painless.

One of the great ironies is that the Archduke was fairly liberal and had intended sweeping reforms once his daddy died and he became the ruler.
well, guess that didn't happen, the reforms
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not sure it's the right thing to do. if the original film was used, and the negatives no longer exist, that film is ruined in its original form forever

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Will purchase once its out on Blu-Ray or something to that effect.
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If you like podcasts you should check out Dan Carlin's Blueprint for Armageddon; it's a fascinating listen. The whole run up was just as crazy as the war itself:

https://www.dancarlin.com/product/ha...-armageddon-i/
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One of the most helpful sources for me was Dan Carlin's Hardcore History series, Blueprint for Armegeddon. Another was Margaret McMillan's The War that Ended Peace. Yet another is The Great War: 1914-1918 which is now available on Amazon Prime . . .
It was definitely worth saying more than once.
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I really appreciate that it was non political. Just a collection of vets talking about their experiences.

Really blown away by the amount of effort that went into it from cleaning up the negatives to having professional lip readers deciphering what was being said.
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If you like podcasts you should check out Dan Carlin's Blueprint for Armageddon; it's a fascinating listen. The whole run up was just as crazy as the war itself:

https://www.dancarlin.com/product/ha...-armageddon-i/
3hrs? i can barely stay awake for a movie at 2hrs

as an aside, had a great uncle who had a set of bagpides shot outta his arms. dunno what battle it was, tho. the war to end all wars didnt end until 1945, the ultimate family squabble
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well, guess that didn't happen, the reforms
Here is a problem... you need to be a bit more familiar with European history as those battles took place at the beginning of a new century with a lot of nationalism going around in a continent notorious in previous centuries for having constant and yes large scale wars that became much larger as the mechanized vehicles were powered with then latest engineering making travel, and barking orders a lot faster.

prior to the war breaking out alone it wasn't just all peaceful and neither the "reforms" nor the war solved any problems other than create more problems which unfortunately led to the second war being even larger with deadlier weapons in an era where technology was rapidly evolving in producing mechanized monsters to feed a war machine that only destroyed Europe.
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