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Old Feb 14, 2019, 04:27 AM   #151
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Before Nvidia's recent change, I would have said that Freesync was a reason to get Vega VII over 2080. But obviously now that's changed. I guess Nvidia finally realized they were just giving a gift to AMD by refusing to support Freesync. Gsync cost too much so the two alternatives weren't really on level ground.

Well Gsync had several advantages over Freesync1, but Freesync2 is more in line with Gsync so sure they had no choice really.
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Old Feb 14, 2019, 09:44 AM   #152
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Has the R7 UEFI firmware been made available yet? My card should be arriving today!
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Old Feb 14, 2019, 09:49 AM   #153
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Has the R7 UEFI firmware been made available yet? My card should be arriving today!
Yeah Asrock released a bios update that has UEFI support. Apparently since all Radeon VII are the same you can just flash the asrock bios on any card.

https://www.techpowerup.com/252493/a...-click-updater
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Old Feb 14, 2019, 10:41 AM   #154
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[I posted this in the driver forum also]
https://www.amd.com/en/support/radeonvii-vbios-eula

Found this via a support thread here:
https://community.amd.com/thread/236770

My card arrives later today, so I'll comment on how this goes then.
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Old Feb 14, 2019, 03:09 PM   #155
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Well Gsync had several advantages over Freesync1, but Freesync2 is more in line with Gsync so sure they had no choice really.
It was inevitable since HDMI 2.1 natively supports variable refresh, but I figured NV would drag their heels until then vs. supporting current Freesync panels. They probably figured the Turing tax + Gsync tax was just too much for mainstream gamers and would cost them market share.
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Old Feb 14, 2019, 03:15 PM   #156
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Not a big deal to some but some might be interested to know that direct from AMD cards only have a 1yr warranty.


THIS LIMITED WARRANTY SHALL NOT APPLY TO YOUR PRODUCT IF AMD DETERMINES IN ITS SOLE DISCRETION THAT THE ALLEGED FAILURE OF THE PRODUCT TO MATERIALLY CONFORM TO THE SPECIFICATIONS DOES NOT EXIST OR WAS CAUSED BY, RELATED TO OR AROSE OUT OF MISUSE, NEGLECT, IMPROPER USE, INSTALLATION OR TESTING, UNAUTHORIZED ATTEMPTS TO OPEN, ALTER, REPAIR OR MODIFY THE PRODUCT OR SOFTWARE, UNAUTHORIZED ATTEMPTS TO REMOVE OR ALTER ORIGINAL IDENTIFICATION MARKINGS, OPERATION OUTSIDE OF THE SPECIFICATIONS (INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, WHERE CLOCK FREQUENCIES OR VOLTAGES HAVE BEEN ALTERED – EVEN WITH USE OF AMD SOFTWARE), COMBINATIONS WITH INCOMPATIBLE THIRD PARTY PRODUCTS, THIRD PARTY VIRUS, INFECTION, WORM OR SIMILAR MALICIOUS CODE OR ANY OTHER CAUSE OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF THE INTENDED USE OF THE PRODUCT, OR BY ACCIDENT, FIRE, LIGHTNING, FLOOD, OTHER HAZARDS, OR ACTS OF GOD. THIS LIMITED WARRANTY WILL NOT APPLY TO PRODUCTS USED FOR NUCLEAR RELATED, WEAPONS RELATED, MEDICAL OR LIFE SAVING PURPOSES, OR ANY OTHER SITUATION WHERE THE FAILURE OF SUCH PRODUCTS MIGHT BE REASONABLY EXPECTED TO CAUSE INJURY TO PERSON OR PROPERTY.


So even apparently using wattman can get u voided lol. that's funny stuff. Never seen a warranty terms for gpu this gross.
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Old Feb 14, 2019, 03:24 PM   #157
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Well undervolting will actually bring you good yields with less heat and power.
So it should be fine
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Old Feb 14, 2019, 05:00 PM   #158
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Not a big deal to some but some might be interested to know that direct from AMD cards only have a 1yr warranty.


THIS LIMITED WARRANTY SHALL NOT APPLY TO YOUR PRODUCT IF AMD DETERMINES IN ITS SOLE DISCRETION THAT THE ALLEGED FAILURE OF THE PRODUCT TO MATERIALLY CONFORM TO THE SPECIFICATIONS DOES NOT EXIST OR WAS CAUSED BY, RELATED TO OR AROSE OUT OF MISUSE, NEGLECT, IMPROPER USE, INSTALLATION OR TESTING, UNAUTHORIZED ATTEMPTS TO OPEN, ALTER, REPAIR OR MODIFY THE PRODUCT OR SOFTWARE, UNAUTHORIZED ATTEMPTS TO REMOVE OR ALTER ORIGINAL IDENTIFICATION MARKINGS, OPERATION OUTSIDE OF THE SPECIFICATIONS (INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, WHERE CLOCK FREQUENCIES OR VOLTAGES HAVE BEEN ALTERED – EVEN WITH USE OF AMD SOFTWARE), COMBINATIONS WITH INCOMPATIBLE THIRD PARTY PRODUCTS, THIRD PARTY VIRUS, INFECTION, WORM OR SIMILAR MALICIOUS CODE OR ANY OTHER CAUSE OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF THE INTENDED USE OF THE PRODUCT, OR BY ACCIDENT, FIRE, LIGHTNING, FLOOD, OTHER HAZARDS, OR ACTS OF GOD. THIS LIMITED WARRANTY WILL NOT APPLY TO PRODUCTS USED FOR NUCLEAR RELATED, WEAPONS RELATED, MEDICAL OR LIFE SAVING PURPOSES, OR ANY OTHER SITUATION WHERE THE FAILURE OF SUCH PRODUCTS MIGHT BE REASONABLY EXPECTED TO CAUSE INJURY TO PERSON OR PROPERTY.


So even apparently using wattman can get u voided lol. that's funny stuff. Never seen a warranty terms for gpu this gross.
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Not a big deal to some but some might be interested to know that direct from AMD cards only have a 1yr warranty.


THIS LIMITED WARRANTY SHALL NOT APPLY TO YOUR PRODUCT IF AMD DETERMINES IN ITS SOLE DISCRETION THAT THE ALLEGED FAILURE OF THE PRODUCT TO MATERIALLY CONFORM TO THE SPECIFICATIONS DOES NOT EXIST OR WAS CAUSED BY, RELATED TO OR AROSE OUT OF MISUSE, NEGLECT, IMPROPER USE, INSTALLATION OR TESTING, UNAUTHORIZED ATTEMPTS TO OPEN, ALTER, REPAIR OR MODIFY THE PRODUCT OR SOFTWARE, UNAUTHORIZED ATTEMPTS TO REMOVE OR ALTER ORIGINAL IDENTIFICATION MARKINGS, OPERATION OUTSIDE OF THE SPECIFICATIONS (INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, WHERE CLOCK FREQUENCIES OR VOLTAGES HAVE BEEN ALTERED – EVEN WITH USE OF AMD SOFTWARE), COMBINATIONS WITH INCOMPATIBLE THIRD PARTY PRODUCTS, THIRD PARTY VIRUS, INFECTION, WORM OR SIMILAR MALICIOUS CODE OR ANY OTHER CAUSE OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF THE INTENDED USE OF THE PRODUCT, OR BY ACCIDENT, FIRE, LIGHTNING, FLOOD, OTHER HAZARDS, OR ACTS OF GOD. THIS LIMITED WARRANTY WILL NOT APPLY TO PRODUCTS USED FOR NUCLEAR RELATED, WEAPONS RELATED, MEDICAL OR LIFE SAVING PURPOSES, OR ANY OTHER SITUATION WHERE THE FAILURE OF SUCH PRODUCTS MIGHT BE REASONABLY EXPECTED TO CAUSE INJURY TO PERSON OR PROPERTY.


So even apparently using wattman can get u voided lol. that's funny stuff. Never seen a warranty terms for gpu this gross.
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Old Feb 14, 2019, 05:43 PM   #160
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[I posted this in the driver forum also]
https://www.amd.com/en/support/radeonvii-vbios-eula
My card arrives later today, so I'll comment on how this goes then.
My card (AMD branded) already is v105, you can see version# under system specs in the driver, I ran the bios update anyway and it seemed to exit without flashing again.

The card's running fine with 19.2.2, I'll try benchmarks & getting an idea of noise level later!
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Old Feb 15, 2019, 03:40 PM   #161
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Default Sapphiretechs list UEFI support for their cards

Strange Sapphiretech list UEFI support under specifications for their card http://www.sapphiretech.com/productd...1E725&lang=eng
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Strange Sapphiretech list UEFI support under specifications for their card http://www.sapphiretech.com/productd...1E725&lang=eng
It's supposed to have it. Basically AMD rushed the launch so badly that they let cards slip out with preproduction BIOSes.
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Old Feb 20, 2019, 03:45 AM   #163
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Ok, so I went crazy (possible lack of proper impulse control) and got a Gigabyte VII.

I've already got an V64LC, and was frustrated because I couln't find any reviews with those two pitted against eachother. So I decided to do so myself.

It's on another forum, and in a different language (Norwegian, my primary language). It's also only in 3440 x 1440 as that's what I game with, all settings maxed except optimizations (AFAIK). No Freesync enabled, no VSYNC (DUH). All tests are run 3 times and the average is whats graphed out.

On some of the tests VII experiences some crazy dips, especially in Stalker (But, X-Ray...).

Al of the testing is done with 19.2.2 and latest BIOS on VII and V64 (105 and 8774 respectively)

You can find it here if interested =)
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Default Crossfire possible with Radeon VII

A German site published a Youtube video of Crossfire with Radeon VII, though only a couple of games, but solid scaling and full functionality i Wattman etc.
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Thanks for posting that Falck.
Thanks =)

I have bigger/more respect for reviewers after doing this! It takes *a lot* of time.
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Old Feb 20, 2019, 09:22 PM   #167
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Thanks for posting that Falck.
Yeah, thanks for posting. I would say my Sapphire Nitro+ clocks more similarly to a V64 LC than to stock Vega 64, so for me this is a more legitimate comparison than what I've seen from the official reviewers.

Have to say that I don't think I'll be upgrading though, as the difference in performance isn't enough to justify the expense/hassle.
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I can't really make heads or tails out of wattman. The way that thing behaves is just so inconsistent. I don't like using it at all. Afterburner is just so much better. Honestly, I'd rather use overdriventool than wattman at this point.

Problems I've seen so far with 19.2.x
1. Sometimes fails to start. Blank outline of a window that won't respond.
2. Wattman doesn't detect fan speeds and won't easily recover. Have had to reinstall.
3. Wattman soft locks on me while adjusting fan curves, voltage, etc.. Sometimes all it takes is mousing over a setting.
4. Wattman when set to auto undervolt and tested with furmark starts pulling back on fan speeds as temps climb over 80c. This is all automatic when set to auto undervolt.
5. This trash software also frequently ignores my fan curve graph points when in-game and ramps rpm way up even with temps below where I have it commanded to do so.

All in all, the card is nice, but wattman is a total disaster on this computer. And it was just fine with my vega 64 previous to this. Not a happy camper.

Checking for driver updates daily and if there is some new version of overdriventool with Radeon VII support I'm going to give that a try asap. Currently, it's unsupported.
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Yeah, thanks for posting. I would say my Sapphire Nitro+ clocks more similarly to a V64 LC than to stock Vega 64, so for me this is a more legitimate comparison than what I've seen from the official reviewers.

Have to say that I don't think I'll be upgrading though, as the difference in performance isn't enough to justify the expense/hassle.
Thank you =) Yeah, I felt like that myself. It's not a clean install between runs, it's almost a "family computer", but I'm the only one that uses it, things run in the background. Maybe not getting the max out of the cards, but feel like it's more realistic scenario perhaps.

Yeah, I was actually going that way myself, thinking of returning the card. But then I remembered I've done crazier things in my life before this (like having a child, but that **** is great), and the general higher minimums on my ultra-wide is *very* appealing. I'm the kinda lazy guy that want's to just install a game, native resolution, everything maxxed ('cept for stupid vendor specific optimizations, wish gamedev's could boycott this en mass) and no worries.

This is the card Vega10 should have been, IMHO.
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So how is everyone enjoying their RVII ?? For my part, coming from a V64LC, it's been completely troublefree and while the fan is audible it's by no means annoying. I have nothing bad to say about it (besides the initial cost, ha).

Any interesting tweaks, overclocking guides, or more heatsink compound replacement results? Anyone going full waterblock with this card?
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