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Old May 31, 2004, 01:33 AM   #91
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Am I the only one who thinks that this game looks awesome? The textures are decent (for the most part) but the shadow and light (especially light pouring in from windows) blow away everything else I've seen.. That being said, I'm having alot of fun with the game.. more fun that I've had on my pc in quite some time. I'm playing on Expert mode and trying not to douse torches or knock people out, but on the first pagan mission there just aren't enough places to hide.. so I'm knocking out everyone i see
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Old May 31, 2004, 02:06 AM   #92
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Has anyone tried "run 'n' running" this game yet? It's not too hard to run through levels just knifing everyone at a breakneck pace. Funny as hell too, especially when you're chasing a guy through the castle and no one comes to help because they're already dead
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Old May 31, 2004, 03:08 AM   #93
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Has anyone tried "run 'n' running" this game yet? It's not too hard to run through levels just knifing everyone at a breakneck pace. Funny as hell too, especially when you're chasing a guy through the castle and no one comes to help because they're already dead
Funniest part for me so far has been in the demo, I snuck up behind some guy. Wasn't a guard just some guy in the castle. Anyway I hit him in the back of his head and before he fell he says "I think I'll take a nap" And then he hit the ground. I lmao!
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Funniest part for me so far has been in the demo, I snuck up behind some guy. Wasn't a guard just some guy in the castle. Anyway I hit him in the back of his head and before he fell he says "I think I'll take a nap" And then he hit the ground. I lmao!


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Old May 31, 2004, 08:29 AM   #95
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Was anyone able to find all 3 special loot items on the second lvl? I found the gilded helm and the medallion in Lord Eldrem room but I can't find the 3rd one(and 3 are required for expert) =/
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Old May 31, 2004, 04:47 PM   #96
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Was anyone able to find all 3 special loot items on the second lvl? I found the gilded helm and the medallion in Lord Eldrem room but I can't find the 3rd one(and 3 are required for expert) =/
No doubt you read the note written by Lord Eldred about the painting, right? *hint* *hint*
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Old May 31, 2004, 05:22 PM   #97
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No doubt you read the note written by Lord Eldred about the painting, right? *hint* *hint*
Yeah I finally found it but how do you get there? I had to stack crates for almost an hour till I could finally reach the balcony...

Is there an easier way?
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Old May 31, 2004, 05:31 PM   #98
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Yeah I finally found it but how do you get there? I had to stack crates for almost an hour till I could finally reach the balcony...

Is there an easier way?
Yes. If you go up the stairs, round the top, past the servant and to the locked room containing a chest then have a go at shifting boxes...

You might like what you find.
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Old May 31, 2004, 06:13 PM   #99
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Where can I download the 4.4s?

EDIT: nevermind I found them

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Old May 31, 2004, 07:25 PM   #100
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I prefer Thief 3 with bloom ... after all the game is all about lighting effects & sneaking in the shadows & the bloom is doing a great job here .
i'm playing the game with all settings maxed , 1280x1024 , Bloom , 4xAF .. runs pretty fine for me (except for some occasional framerate drops) .

the gameplay is great & sound is amazing espeically when you own a SB Audigy 2
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It is pretty hard to read through all of the noise out there each time a game is launched to really see what people think of it. I don't care what game it is, you will always get the following kinds of comments:

(1) Game runs like crap/won't run at all - why the game always seems to run fine on my computer, I have no idea.

(2) Game looks like crap - check out the Far Cry boards, people say this stuff with a straight face.

(3) Not as good as/ inferior to [insert name of game]/Does not live up to hype - Interesting that no game ever lives up to all the games that game before it. I guess there hasn't been a good game since Doom.

These kinds of comments are all part of the background noise that comes out with each game. Look past the noise, I think that Thief 3 is really pretty good.

Now some games are bad. Some games are great. Most fall somewhere in the middle. Thief 3 is a good game. It looks good. It runs fine. It is pretty fun to play.

The graphics are worse than Far Cry but better than DX:IW. They are kind of inconsistent and it is maddening. Look at the wagon wheels, for instance. Why can't they be round? Is it so hard to get round wheels? It is 2004, for Christ's sake and Ionstorm is releasing a game where wheels are comprised of interconnected straight lines. On the other had, I think that character models are pretty good. Textures are also pretty good.

As you would expect, the shadows in the game really shine. In some ways shadows are done better than in any other game to date. Lights cast shadows on everything. Walk in front of a light and you will see your own shadow. Shadows add to imersion considerably. I saw the game on an old ATI 9000 series card and, without shadows, it is a completely different game.

Ionstorm prides itself on a kind of self-directed gameplay. You are not boxed in and are free to make your own way through the game. This is good and bad. It is good when you act creatively to solve a problem but bad when you spend 20 minutes trying to find someplace that you have to go. It kind of took me a while to get into the plot, but it was worth it.

Lets face it Ion Storm got a lot of justified criticism for certain aspects of DX:IW. I happened to like DX:IW alot, but one thin I hated were the smal levels and all of those load times waiting to switch zones. Well, there is good news and bad news. Zones are bigger here and load times are less (but still annoying). I think that Ion Storm was to deep into the game to change everything. Note to future developers - NEVER DESIGN A GAME FOR THE PC THIS WAY AGAIN.

The plot is very good. The engine is stable. It is a fun game to play.
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Old Jun 1, 2004, 09:05 AM   #102
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I had a blast playing Thief: DS over the holiday weekend. Between family bbqs and working on the house, I spent the rest of my time sneaking around in the shadows and knocking taffers over the head
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(1) Game runs like crap/won't run at all - why the game always seems to run fine on my computer, I have no idea.
IMHO it does run like crap. Am my rig isn't something to throw in the trash.

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Game looks like crap - check out the Far Cry boards, people say this stuff with a straight face.
It does look like crap, considering that we are in 2004 with Directx 9c, Pixel&Vertex shaders at 3.0, Radeon X800 and Geforces 5950. If this game had come out 2 years ago it would have good graphics. Now they are just average at best, IMHO.

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I guess there hasn't been a good game since Doom.
I think that you're overstating. Just look at the following examples that have had loads of hype and have turned to be great games to remember (since Doom): Quake, Quake 2, Diablo, Jedi Knight: Dark Forces 2, Starcraft, Unreal, Half-Life, Baldur's gate, Thief, The Dark Project, Unreal Tournament, Planescape, Quake 3, Thief 2, Need for Speed Series, Deus Ex, No One Lives Forever, undying, Baldur's Gate 2, Diablo 2, Max Payne, Operation Flashpoint, Medal of Honor, Jedi Knight 2, Neverwinter Nights, Warcraft 3, Mafia, Battlefield 1942, No one Lives Forever 2, Morrowind, Silent Hill series, Splinter Cell series, Jedi Knight 3, Halo, Max Payne 2, Call of Duty, Need for Speed series, Knights of the Old Republic, Prince of Persia:Sands of Time, Far Cry, and this are just some of the great titles of the past few years.

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Now some games are bad. Some games are great. Most fall somewhere in the middle. Thief 3 is a good game. It looks good. It runs fine. It is pretty fun to play.
IMHO, it doesn't look that great (shadows and lights are well done). It definitely doesn't run fine considering the average graphics. I'm just hopping it will be fun to play.

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I think that Ion Storm was to deep into the game to change everything. Note to future developers - NEVER DESIGN A GAME FOR THE PC THIS WAY AGAIN.
I agree 100%. They should make a case study out of Ion Storm.
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I think that you're overstating. Just look at the following examples that have had loads of hype and have turned to be great games to remember (since Doom): Quake, Quake 2, Diablo, Jedi Knight: Dark Forces 2, Starcraft, Unreal, Half-Life, Baldur's gate, Thief, The Dark Project, Unreal Tournament, Planescape, Quake 3, Thief 2, Need for Speed Series, Deus Ex, No One Lives Forever, undying, Baldur's Gate 2, Diablo 2, Max Payne, Operation Flashpoint, Medal of Honor, Jedi Knight 2, Neverwinter Nights, Warcraft 3, Mafia, Battlefield 1942, No one Lives Forever 2, Morrowind, Silent Hill series, Splinter Cell series, Jedi Knight 3, Halo, Max Payne 2, Call of Duty, Need for Speed series, Knights of the Old Republic, Prince of Persia:Sands of Time, Far Cry, and this are just some of the great titles of the past few years.
And therein lies the problem. I look at that list and see many games that I would personally consider 'average' at best. It's all down to personal prederence, I suppose.
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And therein lies the problem. I look at that list and see many games that I would personally consider 'average' at best. It's all down to personal prederence, I suppose.
Exactly. Some of them aren't my favorites either but they all have been critically acclaimed as being some of the best in it's genre.
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Thief: Deadly Shadows looks like crap?


1. Your monitor is ****.
2. Your gamma is ****ed.
3. Your video card stinks.
4. You haven't "tweaked" the game.
5. Your computer is garbage.
6. You have macular degeneration.


There you have it.

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Old Jun 1, 2004, 10:40 AM   #107
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It seems like some people never played a game that they like.

That list of games had some really good one on there. To suggest that all the games are just average is pretty cynical, IMO. Why play games if they are so average?

Thief does not look like crap. Granted, the bar has been raised. It is no Far Cry. The polygonal wheels and sprite grass are evidence of that. Most of the rest is really very good though.

I challenge anyone to name better looking games that are out NOW! There are some. Pandora Tomorrow, Far Cry, for instance. But Thief 3 is up there.
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Old Jun 1, 2004, 10:53 AM   #108
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Thief: Deadly Shadows looks like crap?


1. Your monitor is ****.
2. Your gamma is ****ed.
3. Your video card stinks.
4. Your computer is garbage.
5. You have macular degeneration.


There you have it.
The strong point of the engine are it's shadows and light effects. They are very well done and are probably some of the best made yet BUT it's textures look like a game from 2 years ago and, IMHO, it breaks the engine. I'm hoping that someone does a texture pack for the game. I still think that Far Cry has the best engine available to this day(overall). And Doom 3 and HL2 are just around the corner...

Regarding your remarks:

1. a 20" TFT from HP is hardly ****.
2. My gamma is fine.
3. a 9700 Pro running at 360/330 is a very good card. Not top of the line but hardly garbage.
4. a Barton running at 2500mhz with 1Gb of RAM is garbage? I'd like to see your garbage bin and see if I find something better there.
5. ....... takes one to know one.
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Thief: Deadly Shadows looks like crap?


1. Your monitor is ****.
2. Your gamma is ****ed.
3. Your video card stinks.
4. Your computer is garbage.
5. You have macular degeneration.


There you have it.
You are an idiot.

1. A dell 1800FP DFP is hardly ****
2. Um, no.
3. 9800XT
4. 2.4GHz 1GB DDR SB audigy 2 and with abovementioned gfx card
5. .........

Game still looks and runs like poo.
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You are an idiot.

1. A dell 1800FP DFP is hardly ****
2. Um, no.
3. 9800XT
4. 2.4GHz 1GB DDR SB audigy 2 and with abovementioned gfx card
5. .........

Game still looks and runs like poo.

Really? Am I the idiot? Well... what would you call someone with a Dell 1800FP DFP, 9800XT, Audigy 2, and a decent processor with a boatload of ram that still can't seem to get Thief: Deadly Shadows to run at a decent framerate? ***REMOVED*** Guess you never learned how to tweak a default.ini file to fit your specific computer's needs, eh? You can do this with a lot of games.

http://forums.ionstorm.com/index.php?showtopic=210541

http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83310


You can improve the game's performance quite a bit if you're up to it. Or, you can go play Far Cry (which, I agree, does have the better engine - but you'd be missing out on a great game with a great story - something Far Cry can't really claim).

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Easy with the personal attacks folks. Well this game has sure stirred up alot of controversy! I believe, if nothing else, this game will reach more folks than the previous 2. Controversy can be a good thing.

I was @ futureshop @ lunch and almost bought it. If I did I'd be divorced in 3.4 microseconds. Luckily I forced myself to put it down and walk out. I did see that there was a bundle with 'Alice' , 'Dungeon Keeper2' and 'Undying' for $20 I might have to pick that one up. I'll wait for Thief 3 to get cheaper. Gothic 2 is $29 now and that was only 6-8 months ago so I'll just wait another 6 months or so. I can't afford new. Mayhaps I'll get the demo tonite. Still have to finish Deus Ex , Hitman2 and Gothic2 yet!

Whoever says there are never any good games comming to PC is on crack. I can't keep up. Still a year behind yet.
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Really? Am I the idiot? Well... what would you call someone with a Dell 1800FP DFP, 9800XT, Audigy 2, and a decent processor with a boatload of ram that still can't seem to get Thief: Deadly Shadows to run at a decent framerate? How about ****-for-brains? Lazy? Do those descriptions work for you? Guess you never learned how to tweak a default.ini file to fit your specific computer's needs, eh? You can do this with a lot of games.

http://forums.ionstorm.com/index.php?showtopic=210541

http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83310


You can improve the game's performance quite a bit if you're up to it. Or, you can go play Far Cry (which, I agree, does have the better engine - but you'd be missing out on a great game with a great story - something Far Cry can't really claim).
Hey Chiggs, better chill on the tude. You will be a mod statistic if you keep this up!

edit: valid point or not...
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Really? Am I the idiot? Well... what would you call someone with a Dell 1800FP DFP, 9800XT, Audigy 2, and a decent processor with a boatload of ram that still can't seem to get Thief: Deadly Shadows to run at a decent framerate? How about ****-for-brains? Lazy? Do those descriptions work for you? Guess you never learned how to tweak a default.ini file to fit your specific computer's needs, eh? You can do this with a lot of games.

http://forums.ionstorm.com/index.php?showtopic=210541

http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83310


You can improve the game's performance quite a bit if you're up to it. Or, you can go play Far Cry (which, I agree, does have the better engine - but you'd be missing out on a great game with a great story - something Far Cry can't really claim).
How bout you show me one tweak, just one, in either of those threads, that improves performance? Hmmm, didn't think so. I never said I couldnt get a playable framerate. I merely said it runs like complete ass in many areas.

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Sorry for the personal attack, but hey, you called me an idiot. Granted the reasons I provided were somewhat inflammatory, but with your setup, you should be getting around 35 - 45 fps. Just keep in mind, this isn't a pure speed, twitch game like UT2K4. And for the life of me, I cannot figure out why you think this game looks ugly. Now DX:IW is ****ing ugly, which is why I'm a little confused about all the Thief 3 hate. The boys at Ion Storm did a pretty good job on it. In fact, there's a level in the game called Shalebridge Castle, which ranks among the best levels ever created.

Anyhow, in the default.ini file in your Thief 3 directory, scroll down until you see a section called engine.gameengine. In that section, there should be a line called "cachesizemeg" - it's probably set to 1 - try changing it to 4 or 6; however, somebody actually suggested putting 80% of your ram there, though. Regardless what you do, this will most likely help you out. Also, see the post below.

P.S. Downloading the minimalist HUD patch makes quite a bit of difference as far as framerate. It also reduces the console-sized icon graphics.

http://forums.ionstorm.com/index.php?showtopic=210775

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Here are some tweaks that are supposed to help:

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CacheSizeMegs=64(was=1)

MinDesiredFrameRate=50.0(was=30)

Use32BitTextures=True(was
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MouseLagThreshold=0 (was 75)

Some tweaks that help fps and gameplay.

I got these from either Ion Storm's forums or TTLG. I'm going to give them a shot tonight..
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I'd imagine alot of the UT2K4 tweeks would work. Especially the mouse smoothing thing.
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Old Jun 1, 2004, 03:29 PM   #117
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I'd imagine alot of the UT2K4 tweeks would work. Especially the mouse smoothing thing.

Same with all DX: IW tweaks.
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Easy with the personal attacks folks. Well this game has sure stirred up alot of controversy
Sure sign of a good game right there. I have yet to see a crappy game cause flame wars.
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FX 5600 - game ran fine with details on low
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Thing is, why should we have to tweak this game to make it playable. Its silly as hell. Why didn't Ion do this inhouse. Settings that made Garret a grampa ninja thief. Or just the general settings, like mouselag, viewbob, etc etc, is unecessary.

It was the same with DX.IW you had to tweak the damn ini files to get rid of the unwanted hud, the smooth panning, the damage-multipliers, etc.

The big question is WHY? Also whilst looking for the damn settings to change you discover strings that start with xbox, really is it necessary for them lines to be there?
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