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Old May 30, 2004, 08:10 AM   #61
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Downgrade to 4.4. Otherwise all the lighting effects and shadows are messed up. Thief 3 was finished before Cat 4.5 was available!
i didn't realize drivers were supposed to be "updated" so often to match game releases.

drivers communicate with the system and allow the device to work properly.... the whole point of writing a driver is for it to be written once and then allowed to go on it's merry way.

i know, that in modern times, thats heresy and considered completely moronic. and maybe it is (not a chance ) but i can't help but think back to when drivers were not used to "upgrade performance", they didn't include JIT code compilers, didn't weigh in at 20+ megabytes.....


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Old May 30, 2004, 08:15 AM   #62
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Yeah, I too have SB LIve and can't use EAX?

Help would be appericiated.

time to suck it up and spend 70 bucks on an audigy2.... yeah i know its over 3 times as much as you spent on your cpu+ram+video card, but whats a person to do?
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Old May 30, 2004, 09:28 AM   #63
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My experience with the demo:
-stupid eidos logo with a silly person actually saying "eidos"
-screen with legal stuff about who owns all the trademarks
-Nvidia wimtbp logo
-creative labs commercial
-click on exit
-uninstall

I don't care anymore what the game is like.
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Originally posted by emphy
My experience with the demo:
-stupid eidos logo with a silly person actually saying "eidos"
-screen with legal stuff about who owns all the trademarks
-Nvidia wimtbp logo
-creative labs commercial
-click on exit
-uninstall

I don't care anymore what the game is like.
Wow, if this isn't just a bad joke, then
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Old May 30, 2004, 09:44 AM   #65
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I want to see someone with an x800 say, "the performance is crappy, even on an x800pro! i get 9000+ 3d03 marks and this game is choking it!"
Performance IS pretty crappy even with an X800pro (which I have). In the end I just go with 1600*1200 w/ 16xAF and call it a day. The game just seems to slow down at some of the oddest times (you can tell it's drawing waaaaayyy more than it should be) but for the most part it's at least fairly smooth.

To me it doesn't matter a whole lot since this isn't exactly a run-and-gun action game where framerate is really critical.
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Old May 30, 2004, 10:02 AM   #66
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My experience with the demo:
-stupid eidos logo with a silly person actually saying "eidos"
-screen with legal stuff about who owns all the trademarks
-Nvidia wimtbp logo
-creative labs commercial
-click on exit
-uninstall

I don't care anymore what the game is like.
And no word on gameplay

Did you even play through the training?
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Old May 30, 2004, 11:26 AM   #67
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Anyone seen the cutscene where they have CGI for Garrett while he's talking to some other guy you meet in the courtyard (forgot the name) of the Stonehedge market or whatever? Talk about LAME, this was the worst CGI I've seen in my life.
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Performance IS pretty crappy even with an X800pro (which I have). In the end I just go with 1600*1200 w/ 16xAF and call it a day. The game just seems to slow down at some of the oddest times (you can tell it's drawing waaaaayyy more than it should be) but for the most part it's at least fairly smooth.

To me it doesn't matter a whole lot since this isn't exactly a run-and-gun action game where framerate is really critical.
The X800pro is not purposed for 1600x1200 AA\AF gaming

The X800XT-PE will be for that


Low your resolution to 1280x1024 to solve\reduce the slow down problem


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My experience with the demo:
-stupid eidos logo with a silly person actually saying "eidos"
-screen with legal stuff about who owns all the trademarks
-Nvidia wimtbp logo
-creative labs commercial
-click on exit
-uninstall

I don't care anymore what the game is like.

You surely sound like a very stupid person to me (no offense)

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Old May 30, 2004, 12:10 PM   #69
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The X800pro is not purposed for 1600x1200 AA\AF gaming

The X800XT-PE will be for that


Low your resolution to 1280x1024 to solve\reduce the slow down problem



I game on a 9600, and MOST games run GOOD on 1600.1200
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Old May 30, 2004, 12:19 PM   #70
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time to suck it up and spend 70 bucks on an audigy2.... yeah i know its over 3 times as much as you spent on your cpu+ram+video card, but whats a person to do?
But taht's just like really lame!

Imagine you would buy a "mid range" GFX card - and than discover that it doesn't do DirectX and you should have gotten the professional one??

I bought an SBlive that had EAX 2 sprayed all over the box, in cact I play with EAX 2 in many games (BF:V, etc) - yet when it comes to Thief3...

This suck, my next audio card ain't gona be Creative...
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Anyone seen the cutscene where they have CGI for Garrett while he's talking to some other guy you meet in the courtyard (forgot the name) of the Stonehedge market or whatever? Talk about LAME, this was the worst CGI I've seen in my life.
They were trying to recreate the look of the first two game's cutscenes, but they arn't even as good.
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But taht's just like really lame!

Imagine you would buy a "mid range" GFX card - and than discover that it doesn't do DirectX and you should have gotten the professional one??

I bought an SBlive that had EAX 2 sprayed all over the box, in cact I play with EAX 2 in many games (BF:V, etc) - yet when it comes to Thief3...

This suck, my next audio card ain't gona be Creative...
Yep, this sucks. The devs can't even put EAX 2.0 support in the game, just the EAX 3.0/4.0 thing (I bet Creative paid some $$$ for it). Also EAX 3.0/4.0 being proprietary means that other soundcard manufacturers can't support it (even if their DSP was powerful enough for it). Creative monopoly sucks.
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Old May 30, 2004, 01:01 PM   #73
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Man... all this endless *****ing and knit-picking.


I just messed around with the settings (sound/bloom/multisampling/etc), until I found a comfortable "smoothness" level and started playing.

After that I just took the game engine quality for what it was and started enjoying the game.

A LOT of work went into this game and it is a total blast.

Do you guys overanalyze every game? Do you ever enjoy a game.
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Old May 30, 2004, 01:06 PM   #74
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I could not believe what AF does for this games
graphics quality...

If you REALLY wanna see what this game should look
like this is your settings.

Bloom Off
2x MultiSampling
(AA set to App pref in control panel)
(forced 16x AF in control panel)
Shadows Maxed

The game looks AWESOME with the settings above.

Flux


You are absolutely right!
It looks much better with those settings. Especially 16AF increased the texture quality for me (first time, that I realized a *real* difference between 8AF Q & 16 AF Q, though.

There is no way, that I turn on Bloom again

And with some performance tweaks from various forums and the usual Unreal 2 Engine tweaks, I am able to get a playable framerate (30´ish with my 9800Pro & XP2000).

BTW: Good game so far (2nd level). Minor glitches (like the EAX desaster ), the gameplay is a bit dumbed down, loading zones are teh suck...but I really like the atmosphere/storyline and for me it´s almost as fun to play as Thief I and II.
Although I believe that these gaming experiences will remain unmatched for me.

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Anyone know where to find all 3 special loot items on the second level(the one after the training)?
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Old May 30, 2004, 07:29 PM   #76
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My experience with the demo:
-stupid eidos logo with a silly person actually saying "eidos"
-screen with legal stuff about who owns all the trademarks
-Nvidia wimtbp logo
-creative labs commercial
-click on exit
-uninstall

I don't care anymore what the game is like.

yeah, that really pisses me off.

its like those 5-10 min commercials on dvd's you can't skip and have to sit through each time you play the disc.

when will those dumbasses learn?!
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Old May 30, 2004, 07:31 PM   #77
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Performance IS pretty crappy even with an X800pro (which I have). In the end I just go with 1600*1200 w/ 16xAF and call it a day. The game just seems to slow down at some of the oddest times (you can tell it's drawing waaaaayyy more than it should be) but for the most part it's at least fairly smooth.

To me it doesn't matter a whole lot since this isn't exactly a run-and-gun action game where framerate is really critical.

i can tell you don't care after having spent 4-500 bucks for an x800pro... a high end cpu, lots of ram, (2000+ bucks worth of system).


i'm about to build a 6thousand dollar system and i won't care when new games run like crap on it....
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I game on a 9600, and MOST games run GOOD on 1600.1200


if by most games you mean games from year 2000 and earlier.... i agree...


or maybe you're a "console gamer" ...


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i didn't see anyone mention it....


if you're having performance problems, turn OFF EAX. its a cpu and bandwidth hog. i'm not even sure it helps that much unless you have good surround speakers.
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They were trying to recreate the look of the first two game's cutscenes, but they arn't even as good.
No. I know what you're talking about, those cutscenes are nice and different. I'm talking about that one FMV where you meet with that guy, this type of cutscene is nothing like the original Thief. This cutscene actually used rendered models, and when their mouths moved, it was the worst animation I've seen in my life. I thought they were going to keep it just like the original thief, no lame FMVs.
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Originally posted by emphy
My experience with the demo:
-stupid eidos logo with a silly person actually saying "eidos"
-screen with legal stuff about who owns all the trademarks
-Nvidia wimtbp logo
-creative labs commercial
-click on exit
-uninstall

I don't care anymore what the game is like.
LOL, good one, you've got some ballz.... if you payed for it
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The X800pro is not purposed for 1600x1200 AA\AF gaming

The X800XT-PE will be for that

Low your resolution to 1280x1024 to solve\reduce the slow down problem

LOL!!! This game for sure isnt something I'd buy a new video card for, these ****** graphics should run maxed out with aa and af on Geforce 4 Ti cards.
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But taht's just like really lame!

Imagine you would buy a "mid range" GFX card - and than discover that it doesn't do DirectX and you should have gotten the professional one??

I bought an SBlive that had EAX 2 sprayed all over the box, in cact I play with EAX 2 in many games (BF:V, etc) - yet when it comes to Thief3...

This suck, my next audio card ain't gona be Creative...


Well then dont come complaining you dont have EAX 5 in your "next soundcard"


"OMG I dont have UltraShadow*tm on my ATi card, **** Nvidia, my nex card wont be Nvidia that's for sure, those ****ers!"
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yeah, that really pisses me off.

its like those 5-10 min commercials on dvd's you can't skip and have to sit through each time you play the disc.

when will those dumbasses learn?!
Except that you can skip the ads in Thief.
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Meh. Sorry, I'm not too impressed with it. Main complaint stems from all the tiny little issues that snowball together to make an extremely aggrevating one (jerky movement, weird physics, stupid, and I mean stupid AI, small levels, useless map, etc). But it's also a kick in the jewels knowing that half of the problems are a result of IS's insistence on making the X-Box/PC versions at the same time. I might have been able to dismiss a good bit of them, but the fact that they're all by -products of the game's castration so the developers could save some money is unexcusable.
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They should have called it Thief: Laggy shadows
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How about Thif III: Turn off the shadows?? LMAO.

Seriously though game runs pretty good for me, its not running as good as I want but perfectly playable at full max settings and 8xAF.
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The X800pro is not purposed for 1600x1200 AA\AF gaming

The X800XT-PE will be for that


Low your resolution to 1280x1024 to solve\reduce the slow down problem
Spoken like someone who's never used an X800pro. Care to explain the 60+fps I can get in UT2004 @ 1600*1200 w/ 6xAA and 16xAF with every option on highest?

The engine is just doing too much. To get proper performance at this level you'd have to zone the hell outta the game which they really shoulda done in the first place, 'cause when you're staring at a wall the game shouldn't be chugging like it does at times.

EDIT: well here's an interesting turn of events. Looks like AA hadn't been properly turned off the last time I tried it. Just went through the demo again and it's considerably faster now. In fact, I'm easily getting 50-60+fps in most areas (1600*1200 w/ 16xAF), although there are still odd slowdowns that just shouldn't be happening.
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My experience with the demo:
-stupid eidos logo with a silly person actually saying "eidos"
-screen with legal stuff about who owns all the trademarks
-Nvidia wimtbp logo
-creative labs commercial
-click on exit
-uninstall

I don't care anymore what the game is like.
I knew this was a TWIMTBP title before I even saw the logo. Looking over the readme it is obvious.

For instance look at the Display cards/recommended settings table.

nVidia's listings all look like this:

GeForce FX 5900 Ultra 56.72 No problems reported, game ran fine with details on high

ATI's:

Radeon 9800 XT 4.4 Problems reported in drivers older than 4.4. Runs ok in high detail

Notice how nVidia cards ran 'fine' but ATI's are only 'ok'. And are we to believe that none of the old nVidia drivers had any problems, just old ATI drivers?
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Thief is not all about graphics. Most FPS seem to be all about graphics and action, not on gameplay. Thief is not and never has been about the graphics. If you are a person who rates games mostly on the eyecandy, then don't play Thief.

TDS is all about atmosphere. That is #1, graphics is a distant 3rd behind gameplay. Make that #4, behind sound. The blocky textures and other low grade graphics in TDS also serve to save performance for the biggest TDS atmosphere builder- the shadows. Every game that uses dynamic shadows needs a hi-end system. The better the shadows, the better the system it takes to run it right. Shadows EAT systems.

Forget the graphics, ultimately graphics does not make or break a good game. Look past the crappy graphics (hell, you're in near total darkness half the time anyway) and suck in the atmosphere- this is the Thief experience.
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