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Old Aug 9, 2020, 08:26 PM   #181
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Billy! Why preorder if you think its going to come out with the new cards. Cancel that non sense!
it on steam
and we will know in plenty of time to cancel it if i need to

and I know if I plan to get a AMD card it will be on NV
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or if i by both cards it will be on both
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Other than the obvious hardware specs, I hope AMD comes out with a great cooler for Big Navi right out of the gate. Hopefully, they heard the complaints from the community with the 5700XT.
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Other than the obvious hardware specs, I hope AMD comes out with a great cooler for Big Navi right out of the gate. Hopefully, they heard the complaints from the community with the 5700XT.
something like a Asus Poseidon
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hook up the water and the fans lock to their lowest speed
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Old Aug 14, 2020, 01:36 PM   #185
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Adored seems to think ampere is gonna kick some big navi ass. Go to town in it like KAC on my mum(dead for 30 years).
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Adored seems to think ampere is gonna kick some big navi ass. Go to town in it like KAC on my mum(dead for 30 years).
i don't think any of them have a clue what AMD has or not

not with a reference card only first release and made most likely by sapphire that has made all the reference cards for years and doesn't leak

everyone of these youtube hit experts is just tossing out everything under the sun about navi the good, bad, great and the ugly so that after the fact they can pull it out and say see we told you so

the first real AMD leaks will be after the nvidia 3000's reviews are out

AMD will set final clocks and order the boxes printed up and that is when it will leak
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Yeah I think we have to just wait and see. It doesn't seem like there is much solid info about Navi 2X at all.
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So Rogame just tweeted this out. According to the guy he retweeted this is the Xbox version of Big Navi which has 52CU's. He insists Big Navi for pc will have 80CU's.



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...He insists Big Navi for pc will have 80CU's. ...
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I dont understand how they could fit that with an 8 core zen 2 ryzen and RT all in one die of 360 mm2?
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I mean if Big Navi 2x is ~500 mm2 without the 76 mm2 room needed for an apu 8 cores ryzen it should be a godless monster. 360 mm2 - 76mm2 leaves well under 300 mm2 so 500mm2 for gpu alone is immense.

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The slide does note that it was only a "minor area cost for 3-10x acceleration." That seems relatively similar to what we've seen from Nvidia's hardware. In games that combine ray tracing with traditional rendering, running with ray tracing enabled on Nvidia's RTX 2060 is often two or three times as fast as the previous generation GTX 1080 Ti.
HFS. Even if its 10% of peak its still 3x Turing.
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I mean if Big Navi 2x is ~500 mm2 without the 76 mm2 room needed for an apu 8 cores ryzen it should be a godless monster. 360 mm2 - 76mm2 leaves well under 300 mm2 so 500mm2 for gpu alone is immense.



HFS. Even if its 10% of peak its still 3x Turing.
a 8 core ryzen chiplet is small less than a dime




it is the smaller of the two chips
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Yes we know but its not that small... saving 76 mm2 even from a cut down 8 core chip is still quite a bit that amd can use for other things in the discrete gpu this fall.

Ive read that the 56 cu part on the xbox takes 176 mm2... so a 500 mm2 gpu is what?
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xbox apu is 360.4mm square i think


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https://www.anandtech.com/show/15994...cture-600pm-pt

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so even a 5700 xt "refresh" based on RDNA2 that is having the exact same specs, clock speed, memory and the 40 CU count as the RDNA 1, would still be a nice bump performance wise.
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Last gen navi1 or last xbox?
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I imagine RDNA 1 vs RDNA 2.

otherwise they'd be comparing RDNA 2 vs GCN (polaris) and the jump from GCN to RDNA 1 was like 35+% in DX 12. so the 25% figure for RDNA 2 vs GCN would be way way to low.
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Honestly I have no idea why people out there think that AMD can't easily match the 2080 Ti with RDNA2, and not with the largest die either. The console specs are saying they should be close to a 2080 Ti or at least a 2080 Super, let alone anything released on PC. The Radeon 5700 was not some magical high bar that AMD can never exceed.
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Honestly I have no idea why people out there think that AMD can't easily match the 2080 Ti with RDNA2, and not with the largest die either. The console specs are saying they should be close to a 2080 Ti or at least a 2080 Super, let alone anything released on PC. The Radeon 5700 was not some magical high bar that AMD can never exceed.
because even though they have done it before AMD can't beat NV

I would a lot if a ton of people buy a 2000 buck RTX 3090 and navi 2x is a little faster for half the price
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because even though they have done it before AMD can't beat NV

I would a lot if a ton of people buy a 2000 buck RTX 3090 and navi 2x is a little faster for half the price
Billy, AMD has not beaten NV in a hell of a long time in top end graphics so forgive the doubters.
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Billy, AMD has not beaten NV in a hell of a long time in top end graphics so forgive the doubters.
it takes what about 3 years to make a new GPU start to finish

since February 2017 they have had Ryzen money pouring in after pouring everything into it for about 3 years before that


i think we can forgive them for not building both rome and new york city in one day
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it takes what about 3 years to make a new GPU start to finish

since February 2017 they have had Ryzen money pouring in after pouring everything into it for about 3 years before that


i think we can forgive them for not building both rome and new york city in one day
Aye, we can, but faith is in short supply these days.
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Aye, we can, but faith is in short supply these days.
seems to me many have no shortage in NV even after they have repeatedly screwed everyone over on price for the same 6 + years

oh yes they will price fairly this time


sorry i have zero faith in NV on price
and if this monster is 400+ watts they have failed this time but will still over charge for it
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seems to me many have no shortage in NV even after they have repeatedly screwed everyone over on price for the same 6 + years

oh yes they will price fairly this time
No, NV is transparent as far as price goes. AMD has to show lots this time, price, performance and RT.
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No, NV is transparent as far as price goes. AMD has to show lots this time, price, performance and RT.
if AMD comes in 25% to 50% faster than a 2080 ti like they say and good performance per watt for a fair price they win
no matter if the 3090 24gb 1999.00 dollar 400+ watt monster is faster
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Was this card ever released? Is the new RDNA2 architecture series called 5900XT? That would be beyond stupid.

I have absolutely zero knowledge of AMD product lines in graphics area these days.
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Was this card ever released? Is the new RDNA2 architecture series called 5900XT? That would be beyond stupid.

I have absolutely zero knowledge of AMD product lines in graphics area these days.
6900 xt or 6950 xt i think
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-spec...-6900-xt.c3481
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