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Old Jun 10, 2019, 07:58 PM   #121
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Navi is looking better than I thought... Is that MS gamepass include 100 free games or just access to them?
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Old Jun 10, 2019, 08:19 PM   #122
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Navi is looking better than I thought... Is that MS gamepass include 100 free games or just access to them?
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it's new I think but I found that it is 10 bucks a month

so a 30 buck giveaway

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was really hoping for a rx 5800 and rx 5900 something close to a 2080 ti but faster than a 2080

and no word on HDMI 2.1 so most likely it's a no
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Old Jun 10, 2019, 08:24 PM   #123
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Oh ok a timed freebee on a library of games. Cool.

The features shown on the stream are nice but seem to be software based. I wonder how many of the new features are navi only or can be used by vega/polaris...

Tho it didnt have RT and we didnt see much in the way of reflections the games shown looked awesome... lighting and shadows and detailed textures... and the wind/physics in Ghost Recons was pretty cool.
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I don't think the RX 5700 will even beat my 3 year old 1080 ti strix


now if crossfire still worked I would grab two
but of note they never even said the word crossfire
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Old Jun 10, 2019, 08:54 PM   #125
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Well to be fair they did do a wide comparison of games with current nvidia cards in their price brackets. I thought we'd just see a few choice games shown.

Kind of scary how well a 36/2300 cu card can do vs my vega 64/4096 cu. They really did have to fix some stuff in the graphics pipeline.
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Congrats to amd on their 7nm/rdna/navi/FidelityFx/ImageSharpening breakthroughs.

Looking forward to how well it competes with cards released 3 years ago.
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Super gonna poo-poo on Navi launch.
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Old Jun 11, 2019, 05:11 PM   #129
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So here's the crux according to anandtech..."Looking at the AMD product stack then, the new Radeon 5700 cards are an interesting addition to AMD’s lineup. They will remain below the Radeon VII as AMD’s fastest card – the Vega derivative is still a tier above – but they are supplanting the Vega 64/56 and then some. According to AMD’s own data, the 5700 XT is on average 14% faster than the Vega 64, and closer to 30% faster than the Vega 56."

Wow 14% faster on a lower node than my Vega 64 after nearly two years for $£449 which is what I paid for my Vega 64 AMD are taking the p**s. At $£249 maybe but at that price I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole Massive disappointment and I bet the launch edition drivers will be sh*t just like Fury/Vega/Radeon 7 they don't have the software engineers to make really decent drivers which is why I'm still on 18.12.1.1. Plus Vega cards won't even feature in future driver updates it'll all be about Navi.
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It has almost half the shaders but beats my vega 64...They are close in transistor counts tho. Im impressed and can only wonder what happens when they ramp up to a bigger chip with more shaders in the 4000 or more range...

Id buy the vapor-x or toxic of the 5700xt at 300$... but at 450 its too much just to beat my vega 64 slightly.

Maybe we'll get a nice little price war...
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Navi was developed and finished design long ago and HDMI 2.1 came in and finalized recently.

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AMD has made in Navi also changes away from the actual architecture. So, Navi supports DisplayPort 1.4 including the DSC compression, which allows a cable for for example 8K-Auflösung at 60 Hz is sufficient. Thus Navi with Turing draws equal, because the predecessor Vega dominated DisplayPort 1.4 only without DSC. The HDMI standard but it remains b in the version 2.0. According to AMD, Navi was advanced for an integration of HDMI 2.1 late in development as the final specifications have been posted.
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My mon needs display port to run 4k/60. So if a custom model can up that speed a bit more past 2 ghz and the game clock and give me 20-30% above vega64 I might grab one on sale.

But that will come some time after the cpu upgrade... The 1700x to anything ryzen 3k should be a great upgrade.
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My mon needs display port to run 4k/60. So if a custom model can up that speed a bit more past 2 ghz and the game clock and give me 20-30% above vega64 I might grab one on sale.

But that will come some time after the cpu upgrade... The 1700x to anything ryzen 3k should be a great upgrade.
Yeah, displayport is more preferable to use. I never understand why would anyone want to use HDMI that belong to TV? I use the monitors.

I can see from my 1700X to 3700X or 3900X for me though.
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Yeah, displayport is more preferable to use. I never understand why would anyone want to use HDMI that belong to TV? I use the monitors.

I can see from my 1700X to 3700X or 3900X for me though.
displayport has link failures and doesn't like longer cables

because HDMI 2.1 will do up to 4k/120 and DP won't till 1.5 and it is MIA

and LG has a 4K TV's that is 2.1 now and VRR now

and samsung has a lot with 2.0 but with freesync and 1 with 2.1 and freesync in 55 & 65 inch

and none have DP

and no one makes a 4k freesync monitor over a postage stamp 32 inch

I have a 40 inch 4k monitor now and want bigger and freesync


and with both xbox scarlett & PlayStation 5 both coming in next year with HDMI 2.1 I think there will be good big TV's but few or no big monitors

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Been reading that drivers with raytracing DXR support are coming but will be shader based. Fine by me I just want reflections and we already saw what the vega 56 can do with the latest crytek engine. I dont see lighting as all that much better most of the time or shadows than raster methods both of which I can max out with little impact on fps on the vega 64...
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