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View Poll Results: How effective of a solution will AMD's upcoming 4X4 be?
It will be faster than Intel's best. 7 25.00%
It will be about equal to Intel's best. 9 32.14%
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Old Nov 8, 2006, 02:23 AM   #1
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Old Nov 8, 2006, 02:49 AM   #2
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I would think it would be faster. This is the first CPU refresh we have seen from AMD since the intel C2D was released. AMD is not about to sit there and take that. AM2 kinda sucked as it did not impress much with the DDR2. Plus the new 4x4 from Intel is supposed to me more like 2 C2D placed together. AMD has been very good about getting it right the first time with direct communication of CPU and memory. But time will tell. I would like to see AMD back on top. Not to mention Nvidia needs to working on their CPU to help bring new competition to the mainstream.
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I don't really understand why people are even semi-excited by this.

It's already obvious it has lost to C2Q before it's even been released, not to mention the retarded price tag involved.

AMD is gasping at straws here.

Seriously, a niche product which doesn't really even have a niche.

Sorry to sound harsh, but i don't think i'm gonna be too far off.
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I dont see why they cant just paste the chips together unttil they finish quad like intel does.
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I don't really understand why people are even semi-excited by this.

It's already obvious it has lost to C2Q before it's even been released, not to mention the retarded price tag involved.

AMD is gasping at straws here.

Seriously, a niche product which doesn't really even have a niche.

Sorry to sound harsh, but i don't think i'm gonna be too far off.
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I don't really understand why people are even semi-excited by this.

It's already obvious it has lost to C2Q before it's even been released, not to mention the retarded price tag involved.

AMD is gasping at straws here.

Seriously, a niche product which doesn't really even have a niche.

Sorry to sound harsh, but i don't think i'm gonna be too far off.
I think those words, need some professional backing, IE some links to actually results. Right now it sounds like your grasping at straws.
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He doesn't have to link anything if you've been keeping up with the roadmaps. Initial 4x4 offerings are all current gen FX chips simply mounted on a 1207 pin design and NOT Barcelona. A dual core, dual socket machine is a waste of space until Barcelona in comparison to Kentsfield. Only place for a dual socket rig will remain workstation/server (where Opteron/FX still holds the memory bandwidth advantage and the apps to use it) and 4x4 won't take off for enthusiasts until it REALLY is 4 cores on a socket (aka Barcelona aka K8L) and dual sockets. Your looking at platforms that will give minimal support to a future processor. New chipsets will come out around the time of Barcelona's launch making any first gen 4x4 setups functional, but obsolete comparatively.

I'm putting ALOT of hope into Barcelona, but realistically I only expect it to bring AMD on par core for core performance-wise against Intel. But even equality will be great news and I'll take that if that's what we get.
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Well I expect the 4X4 to at least be on par with the best single chip solution Intel can throw down. I also have hopes that it will be at a suprisingly low price point.
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well, i think amd won't be far off, provided some results of course.

their high end x2 and fx are not out yet, just like ati and nvidia. the battle will start when all the cards are on the table.
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Well I expect the 4X4 to at least be on par with the best single chip solution Intel can throw down. I also have hopes that it will be at a suprisingly low price point.
Describe "on par". If you mean efficiency in handling 4 total threads without bandwidth restrictions, okay, I'll agree with you and go one further in saying that there's no question that even the first gen 4x4 will be memory bandwidth king. If you mean almost ANY other facet of the enthusiast computing experience (total performance at launch, power per watt, temperatures, pretty much anything I can think of) then I cannot agree with you at all. First gen 4x4 chips have next to nothing to improve IPC over current gen X2/FX series chips beyond the DDR2 controller getting a few minor tweaks. So total execution power of the 4 Intel cores will exceed the 4 cores available to a 4x4 first gen system. And performance per watt is on the Intel side too.

As I said, I'm waiting on Barcelona for AMD to dig in it's heels and stop Intel's dominance in the performance sector right now (not counting workstations/servers - that's too debatable as AMD is still doing really well there...). I'm looking forward to the time when I can rotate that C2D in my sig down in favor of a 4x4 Barcelona rig fed by at least 4Gb DDR3
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When I say on-par I mean that I think they will be able to deliver equal gaming experiences as Intel. 4X4 seems designed with gaming in mind and I think that it will have success there. It will also likely give Intel a good run for the money in 3DSM and other 3D ap's IMO.
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When I say on-par I mean that I think they will be able to deliver equal gaming experiences as Intel. 4X4 seems designed with gaming in mind and I think that it will have success there. It will also likely give Intel a good run for the money in 3DSM and other 3D ap's IMO.
In 3D rendering apps, maybe, but not likely in games designed for 4+ threads like Alan Wake and Crysis, no I wouldn't agree. There will be at least a small disparity in Intels favor in these games due to it's superior core performance. It's not until AMD beefs up it's FPU performance that it'll reach par in that area.
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But the way that it communicates with the dual videocards is supposed to increase gaming potental. I'm not sure exactly how that works, but the set up sounds good. So maybe it could beat an SLI set up with a single Intel Chip...
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I don't really understand why people are even semi-excited by this.

It's already obvious it has lost to C2Q before it's even been released, not to mention the retarded price tag involved.

AMD is gasping at straws here.

Seriously, a niche product which doesn't really even have a niche.

Sorry to sound harsh, but i don't think i'm gonna be too far off.
I'm an AMD guy and I agree with this. Why not just buy 1 single part which holds 4 cores, instead of AMD's solution which is to have more sockets with more crap to do the same job?
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I don't know... I thought it had something to do with how the 4 parts communicate. Maybe with how the CPUs and GPUs interact. There IS room for improvement there and since gaming is largely GPU bottlenecked then this might very well prove a good use of hardware.

Also, anyone know of when 4X4 is supposed to arrive??? Sometime before Intel's Quad core I assume...
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