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Old Nov 24, 2004, 06:02 PM   #451
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Probably my video card is under power (it is a Radeon 9600). Hmm, time to get a new video card. I will try the new XGI Volari card.
please read reviews before you go that route.(hint hint)
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Old Nov 24, 2004, 06:50 PM   #452
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I am not a gamer. I am using my PC for HTPC purpose, and this card sounds like a HTPC dreamer, HDTV support out of the box. See review here

http://www.sudhian.com/showdocs.cfm?aid=627
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Old Nov 24, 2004, 10:04 PM   #453
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rbV5,

One quick question. When you user the MS Decoder check utiliy, which Cyber ATI decoder did you set as preferr? There are two entry DTV and Video/SP.

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rbV5,

One quick question. When you user the MS Decoder check utiliy, which Cyber ATI decoder did you set as preferr? There are two entry DTV and Video/SP.

Thanks.
The Video/SP DVD decoders are the ATI decoders I used, There aren't really any settings to set with the ATI decoders, (you might want to enable "fastwrites" if your rig is stable with fastwrites enabled for your vid card). A 9600 "should" be fine for decoding HD I would think. CPU and Signal Quality would be first on my list for trouble shooting stuttering HD. If it runs fine on "some" channels, I would suspect either a weak signal or multipath issues perhaps.
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Old Nov 26, 2004, 08:17 PM   #455
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Monitor 9.03 MMC is solid - Must have for HDTV users

MMC 9.03 / CATALYST Windows XP 4.11 / WinXP PRO SP2

Components installed:
wxp-w2k-ccc-8-071-041026a-018719c-english.exe
hdtv-wonder-4-10-2014.exe
atiCDwiz4-0.exe
mmc-9-1-0-0-dao-mdac.exe
mmc-9-03-0-0.exe
remote-wonder-2-5-0-0-english.exe

Fixed: No longer any problems with tuning 720P stations.
Burning 720P content to DVD now works great with ATI library. With prior releases only 1080i worked.

Issues that remain: I still can not pickup 2-1 FOX here. Good signal and other with OTA systems are not having an issue.
New features: Digital Video Recorder Presets (works nice). CPU usage is down, very nice touch!

Very stable release.

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System Information:

* Nokia 445PRO 21' Monitor
* Motherboard: ASUS K8V Delux Athlon64 Motherboard - BIOS 1004 FINAL
* CPU: AMD Athlon 64 Processor 3200+
* Memory: 1GB (512 MB x 2 PC 3200 400MHz DDR - 2.5-4-4-4 )
* Video: AGP - ATI ALL-IN-WONDER® 9700 PRO / 128MB
            AGP aperture size 128MB
* ATI HDTV WONDER 
* Sound: Sound Blaster Audigy 
* Ethernet: Onboard 3COM 3C940 10/100/1000Base-T Gigabit 
* Hard Disk-1&2: 120 GB Maxtor SATA 8 mb 7200 RPM x 2 (total 240GB) RAID-0
* Hard Disk-3: 160 GB Maxtor ATA-133 8 mb 7200 RPM
* Floppy drive, 3.5" 1.44MB 
* DVD-R/RW: Pioneer DVR-106 DVD+/-RW/R+/-Writer 
* CD: 54x Black CD-ROM 
* CASE: Thermaltake V1000A Black Fulltower 
            w/ANTEC TRUE CONTROL 550W PSU
* APC XS-1000VA UPS
* OS: WinXP PRO / SP2, VIA Hyperion 4in1 v4.51, 
         AMD Cool 'n' Quiet enabled [240GB]
* OS: Microsoft Windows XP 64-Bit Edition [100GB]
* OS: Mandrake Linux-AMD64 10.0 RC-1 [60GB]
* Klipsch ProMedia Ultra 5.1
Testing. Click on thumb-nails for full views

ATI AIW 9700 PRO DVD Capture Test
Source: S-VIDEO in from DISH Network Satellite
Capture Quality: DVD
Processor Time: 30.176%



ATI HDTV WONDER DVD Capture Test
Source: S-VIDEO in from DISH Network Satellite
Capture Quality: DVD
Processor Time: 61.680%



ATI HDTV WONDER DVD Capture Test
Source: OTA HDTV - PBS 9-1 720P content
Capture Quality: MPEG-2 (HW)
Processor Time: 20.747%



ATI AIW9700 PRO / ATI HDTV WONDER Capture Test
Source-A-(ATI HDTV WONDER/DTV): OTA HDTV - PBS 9-1 720P content
Source-B-(ATI HDTV WONDER/S-VIDEO): S-VIDEO IN from ATI AIW 9700 PRO S-VIDEO OUT (clone mode)
Source-C-(ATI AIW 9700 PRO/S-VIDEO): S-VIDEO in from DISH Network Satellite
Notes: AIW 9700 PRO S-VIDEO-OUT is connected to the ATI HDTV WONDER S-VIDEO-IN. System is setup for clone mode 'theatre' using 'CCC' panel.
Capture Quality-A-: MPEG-2 (HW)
Capture Quality-B-: view only, no capture
Capture Quality-C-: view only, no capture
Processor Time: 45.565%



ATI AIW9700 PRO / ATI HDTV WONDER Capture Test
Source-A-(ATI HDTV WONDER/DTV): OTA HDTV - PBS 9-1 720P content
Source-B-(ATI HDTV WONDER/S-VIDEO): S-VIDEO IN from ATI AIW 9700 PRO S-VIDEO OUT (clone mode)
Source-C-(ATI AIW 9700 PRO/S-VIDEO): S-VIDEO in from DISH Network Satellite
Notes: AIW 9700 PRO S-VIDEO-OUT is connected to the ATI HDTV WONDER S-VIDEO-IN. System is setup for clone mode 'theatre'

using 'CCC' panel.
Capture Quality-A-: MPEG-2 (HW)
Capture Quality-B-: view only, no capture
Capture Quality-C-: Windows-Media-Encoder/High-Quality
Processor Time: 91.164%




ATI HDTV WONDER - Quality (720P):





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Old Nov 27, 2004, 01:50 PM   #456
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I just can't take this ati crap anymore.. This hdtv wonder has been nothing but a pain in my ass since i got it.. i've tried different o/s , different drivers, different configurations, different ways of install.. Man this isn't rocket sceince yet i feel i need a better degree to fully understand the concept of this buggy ass software. With the 9.01 mmc i could view every channel EXCEPT HD NBC and HD CBS.. Considering alot of football games are on those channels i want to find a way to view them so in the process have done what i've said before.. pull my hair out basically. 9.03 mmc sucks so bad for me i can't even run it.. ANYTIME i change the channel it takes like a minute to change then if i go to an hdtv channel it just completely locks up and i have to ctl alt dlt to get out. I used driver cleaner in between installs and deleted any and all folders that have anything to do with ati. including the folder it saves my recordings to. I've installed all the components needed such as dvd decoder,DAO etc in the right order and wrong orders and nothing will work.. 9.03 is just not an option for me i guess..I can't even resize my tv in analog mode or the screen goes black!! lol.. 9.02 is not an option either. It's just as bad just different sets of problems.. For the time 9.01 is my only option (the one on the cd that came with the hdtv wonder) but i guess i won't be watching nbc or cbs .. it used to work fine on i think windows reinstall #52 but i lost track after around 89 lol.. anyways.. here's my specs

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Old Nov 27, 2004, 02:07 PM   #457
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You really hit the nail on the head with that last post. My specs are very similar to yours in that I have similar memory, same video card, an Audigy 2, and a slightly slower processor. Other than that, the specs are almost identical.

I have tried everything to get this card to work and the only that even seems to come close is what is included on the CD. As you indicated, though, NBC and CBS at my location (Eugene, OR) also don't work. The signal is incredibly strong, but no picture evern results and the program locks up.

Grrrrrr. ATI should be ashamed. It is unbelievable that this card received such great reviews. It makes you wonder who supplied the system the reviewers were using.

(By the way, I had the same problems with an ATI Radeon 9800 video card.)

Thanks for putting my feelings into words, too.
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Old Nov 27, 2004, 02:08 PM   #458
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By the way, I offered to help beta test any new software/driver combination for this card and received absolutely no interest.
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Old Nov 28, 2004, 12:36 AM   #459
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Man i said screw it and tried 1 more time to get those 2 channels to work and low and behold i did it.. I installed 9.03 and it did the same terrible lag and lock up so i uninstalled 9.03 mmc, ran driver cleaner 3 and uninstalled ALL reminants, then manuallly deleted the record to folder. I then without rebooting installed mmc from the original cd i got from the hdtv wonder and ONLY installed the DVTQFE and MMC. I then rebooted and ran the wizards on both and hallalujha it worked! I have all the channels again. I'm never touching this software again and am making a backup point as we speak.. My new motto. if it ain't broke don't fix it.. Words to die by with ATI!! Good luck in Eugene! I'm very close to you in Boise.. hope you get it fixed
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Old Nov 28, 2004, 12:31 PM   #460
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I would really like to buy an ATI HDTV Wonder but I still have some misgivings about it.

My main concern is with whether or not it is currently possible to get the analog tuner for the HDTV Wonder to work in MCE 2K5 as well as the OTA digital HDTV tuner.

I have heard that only DTV works in MCE 2K5 but I have also heard that some users have gotten the STV to work as well using the latest Kram mod pack.

Can anyone confirm or deny this?

As I said before, I would really like to get a HDTV Wonder now but if only DTV works in MCE 2K5 I would consider the product half broken in MCE 2K5 until STV was functional!

***EDIT***

rbV5, if I am not mistaken, you mentioned that you managed to get your HDTV Wonder to use both it’s DTV and STV tuners in MCE 2K5. Is this correct?

If so, with as many tuners as you have in the system in question, how can you be sure or what methods have you used to be sure that the STV tuner is fully functional? As I understand it MCE doesn’t specify to the user what tuner it is using.

Did you or have you at any time installed the Kram mod drivers to enable the AIW 9700 Pro tuner (when it was installed in the given system) and if so do you think that it is accountable for enabling the STV tuner in MCE 2K5?

Thanks in advance.

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Old Nov 29, 2004, 01:04 PM   #461
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My experience with HDTV Wonder -
I have had this card for several months now and have tried it with many systems, video cards, sound cards and software drivers. I concur with most in the forum - great hardware, terrible software. Anyhow, here is a breakdown of my findings, hopefully they will help some people.

ATI Radeon 9800- Works great with VIA KT333 chipsets and the 645DX (P4 Nothwood) chipset. The 9800 is not compatible with my 915P chipset, so no test available. Works with all releases of MMC.

Sapphire Radeon 9500 - Works great with this card and all chipsets including the 915P (AGP-E).

MMC9.02 - Channel signals all improved from the previous release.

MMC9.03 - Absolutely will NOT work with Intel 915P chipset (ECS motherboard) and a GeForce 6600GT (PCI-E). Using the older MMC9.02 seems to work just fine . Since this is relatively new hardware, I suppose things like that happen.

5.1 Dolby Digital Sound - In DTV - I recieve a dolby digital 5.1 audio signal during live HDTV broadcasts and output it successfully to my analog 5.1 speakers - but only through AC'97 audio on an nForce 3 128 chipset (and *WOW* does it sound GREAT). Using SB Audigy, Turtle Beach Santa Cruz and Intel HD Azalia audio, it downmixes everything to standard stereo. Go figure??

I am currently running the system on a 915P chipset with a GeForce 6600GT (PCI-E). Originally, I did a clean install with the latest drivers (including the 9.03 MMC. It was horrible. I was only getting about 23 FPS in HDTV and there was signifigant clipping - it seems my Geforce was really struggling (I didn't cheek my CPU usage). I also had strange behavior errors such as when switching from full screen to windowed (or visa-versa) the live picture would ALWAYS rewind to the beginning of the buffer. And eventually (after no more than 10 minutes) the whole computer would just lock-up. I read that Nvidia and ATI don't mesh well, so I pulled the card. After about a week of analog TV, I could stand it no longer and did a complete reinstall using MMC 9.02. It worked again. No struggling like before. I still get a bit of a stutter fairly consistantly and have come to the conclusion that this card worked MUCH better with my Radeon 9800. But it works good enough for casual television watching with my current set up.

Current problems:

DTV video appears as black in 720p in some windowed displays ("medium" and "small") - audio still works.

DTV will not decode and ouput to 5.1 sound using onboard Azalia sound.

Ghost images appear in analog TV mode, making picture impossible to watch - I fixed by checking the "quality" check box somewhere in the menu system.

System has a slight stutter pretty consistently - though it is difficult to see unless a ticker of some sort is running across the bottom of the screen (see the inconsisent stutter of the ticker).

Like Miss Universe - "If I can help just ONE person....."

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Old Nov 30, 2004, 02:09 AM   #462
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I would highly recommend you uninstall 9.02 and install the mmc from the cd 9.01. Just pop the cd in and install the DVTQFE and the MMC and that's it. I was having the same exact problems you were having and i have a 6800 GT. 9.03 is out of the question for me. Anyways, i've had the resize problems with black screens and same with dtv 720 and also sometimes with 1080. Delete your save to folder for recordings as well and run driver cleaner 3 after to clean the remnants. Then install the mmc from cd and reboot and run the wizards again and you should be good to go. At least i was.. I've tried every which way you can to install this card and the biggest problems i've had so far include irq sharing problem (just change pci slots) and mmc incompatiblitiy. Most times people say use the latest drivers software for your product but in this case it's bs cause were dealing with Canadians .. :P.. j/k.. anyways.. by far the best mmc is the one on the cd in my opinion and as for running geforce 6000 series. As for the HDTV working in MCE 2005.. It works just fine as long as you have another tv tuner card in your computer as well. You will only be able to use the DTV function though and the analog will run off the other card.. I was able to get the analog on the hdtv to work if i used like Windvd-recorder or sage tv or something but not in mce's special interface...it wants the other cards analog. But you can use the guide for your hd channels and works nice.. We just picked up Fox locally though and it still didn't pick up for me so i went back to xp. I'm picky though.. If all features don't work properly then i can't sleep at nights.. but all is good so i'm not touchin a thing.. good luck!

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Old Nov 30, 2004, 04:59 AM   #463
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rbV5, if I am not mistaken, you mentioned that you managed to get your HDTV Wonder to use both it’s DTV and STV tuners in MCE 2K5. Is this correct?
Yes, correct.

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If so, with as many tuners as you have in the system in question, how can you be sure or what methods have you used to be sure that the STV tuner is fully functional? As I understand it MCE doesn’t specify to the user what tuner it is using.
MCE does specify the individual tuners as shown in thisScreenshot (the ATI TV tuner is the AIW 9700pro tuner). I was able tell whether it was fully functional by using it. I was able to watch live TV and schedule recordings and they worked. I could not use the analog tuner from HDTV Wonder with eHome tuners enabled, and I was not able to get the AIW tuner to work at all (I am guessing it is because the AIW and eHome Wonder cards have a conflict with the "encode" software.

I got another MCE 2005 licence, so I am going to mess around with my other HTPC (its based on a NV 6800 card that I've been so pissed off about, that its been sitting in the closet) I'll be able to try some other configurations, at that point I am going to try to get AIW + HDTV Wonder working together with both analog tuners.

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Did you or have you at any time installed the Kram mod drivers to enable the AIW 9700 Pro tuner (when it was installed in the given system) and if so do you think that it is accountable for enabling the STV tuner in MCE 2K5?
I believe you need to have another analog tuner to get the analog tuner off of HDTV Wonder to work, but because of all the configurations I tried, I could not be certain exactly what the trick is. When I reconfigure my rigs, I will make it my priority to get that sorted and I will produce a couple of tutorials for setting up HDTV Wonder with both NV and ATI cards on a AMD platform and post them here.

I am not familiar with the "Kram mod drivers" specifically ( I am not at my rig) they could be the modified Cat drivers I tried. However, I am certain that they had nothing to do with HDTV Wonders analog tuner because IIRC, I had it working before trying to get the AIW tuner working, so those drivers had not been installed at that point.
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Old Nov 30, 2004, 12:25 PM   #464
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rbV5, great bit of information there, thanks!

It seems as if there are some configuration issues to consider as you said with the hardware and software tuners but other then that it seems manageable.

The “Kram mod drivers" can enable ATI AIW 9x00 cards in MCE and does so by forgoing the Intel CPU HT check and qualified AIW card check built into the setup program of the ATI version of software encoders. However, now that HP (and possibly others) is selling AMD Athlon 64 based MCE 2K5 machines and some DIY’s have reported AIW support out of the box, it would seem to indicate that MCE 2K5 has built in support for Athlon/AIW configurations.

Since the HDTV Wonder is not a hardware encoding solution I just figured it needs a similar AIW software pack to be fully functional in MCE.

BTW, about what I said about MCE not specifying the tuner, I meant that I didn’t think that MCE specified the tuner that was in use during recording or watching live TV. So lets say you wanted to be sure that you were recording or watching TV on a specific tuner. AFAIK, the only way to be sure you were using tuner “X” would be to disable all other tuners. Cool screenshot of the TV tuner setup page though
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ATI Technologies Cat 4.11 and MMC 9.03 Issues

Well I had to try the new drivers and screwed both tuners into not working.

I read several posts that ATI fixed the jerking video with MMC 9.03 so I thought I should install it. ATI if you are listening then you need to pull your head out and fix these install problems. This is the last ATI product I will ever buy!

No exaggeration. I have at least 20 hours at various times trying to get this card to work. Like I said in an earlier post. I have been an ATI customer and recommended ATI to many people for many years. I build many machines and have used ATI almost exclusively...... No more.

I am posting to maybe help anyone else that runs into the same problem I did since you wont find one single bit of useful information on ATI's site.

I now have both tuners working. The analog tuner even seems to have a better picture than before. I found a reference to DRIVER CLEANER 3 in another forum.

Search Google for it. It's free. Be sure to follow the instructions in the read me. Print them out for reference.

Delete the file folder that saves your video and delete all files in your ATI Support folder on you main drive. Download the Catalyst driver and the latest drivers and MMC from ATI's site.

Uninstall all ATI programs in Add / Remove Programs and follow the instructions in the DRIVER CLEANER 3 Read me. Put your original CD in your Rom drive so that it is there when you boot after safe mode.

Follow the Driver Cleaner instructions while in Safe Mode. When you boot to Windows after Safe Mode cancel the found hardware boxes that pop up unless you have a non ATI Video card. I have an 9800 Pro so here I installed the Cat 4.11 and rebooted as prompted.

After boot up I installed all of the new HDTV drivers and MMC software. Seems there as another reboot along with this. Once back into windows I went into Device Manager and right clicked each Item (2 items)and chose to update drivers. When the wizard comes up select not at this time for connecting to Internet. Then let it find the best drivers. My rom drive activated on one of these updates so I think it grabbed something from the original CD. On the other update it didn't activate so I think it found the driver on the hard drive. After this I started the TV and it went through the initialization process. I then started the DTV and it went through the initialization too. Both now work.

I hope this helps some one else that is freaked over this card. I think when I build my next machine I will try the Nvidia Cinema card and a Nvidia Graphics card also.

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here here brotha.. i'm EXACTLY where your at.. I took my x800 pro back and got a 6800 GT and could not be happier.. Much better and the drivers work perfect.. Oh and there's no specific order to install them in so no excuses for them not working.. I will never again recommend ATI and mostly due to the fact that i emailed them several times and not ONCE did i recieve and email back from an actual human being.. automated responses that have nothing to do with what i just said to them.. Idiots .. that's what the I in ATI stands for.. I'm just trying to figure out what the AT stands for.. Maybe AVERAGE TEENAGE IDIOTS.. but that's dissin teenagers pretty badly.. :P
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This is my first post and i just want to thank you guys on lot of help youve given me. Anywyaz, last night i figured out a way to override the black screen problem for some of the people on this forum. I myself was having this problem with fox/upn because they were multicasting on 1 channel. The way i fixed this was i added the channel manually in mmc 9.03 by its rf number which is 44-1. once i added that i immediatly got UPN. i was still little ticked about not having fox. to get that fixed i simply clicked on other channels randomly, then click on 44-1 and it turned from upn to fox lol. The method is still working this morning, this method might sound stupid but i know get more hd channels

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Failed to initialize ...

Running Windows XP SP2 the entire time.
AMD 64 3400+
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1 GB RAM

I couldn't locate anything indicating an issue with Filemon... I did the whole install circus. However, I did find the following error log related to DTV ->

*** Log Manager 0: Opened on: 12/5/2004 [12:25:45]
[12:25:45] CTenFtUI:IsATIGraphics: ATI display adapter not found!
[12:25:45] ResMngr::LoadObject CoCreate Error: ClassNotReg CLSID: {3293459B-6A9C-47AF-A167-FB2F155C2822}
[12:25:45] DTVUIO::PreStartUp - Optional ConO Surf ConO failed to load
[12:25:45] CPrivateCopper: PreStartUp: Digital Mode
[12:25:45] CPrivateUIO:PreStartUp:Fail:PreStartUp on Surf ConO
[12:25:46] CPrivateCopper: StartUp: failed to Create the DTV Live Source
[12:25:46] DTVUIO::StartUp Fail Startup on Required Copper ConO
[12:25:53] CDTVUIO: Failed to startup DTV UIO
[12:25:53] [ResMngr] CResMngrApp::LoadApplications() FAIL to StartUp UIO
[12:25:53] ObjectTable::Leak Feature={A62213CA-80ED-11D0-AEDB-008029E646D0} Class={A62213CA-80ED-11D0-AEDB-008029E646D0} Instance=1
*** Log Manager 0: Closed on: 12/5/2004 [12:25:53]

Normal TV is working fine, but can't even get the DTV to work. Also, for some reason, after applying the updates, DTV is the only app that doesn't read 9.03, it just reads 9.00.
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Old Dec 5, 2004, 03:06 PM   #469
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Default 8500dv and aiw9000 non dx9 confirmed to work fine with hdtv wonder???

every once and a while i glance over at avsforum at the hdtv wonder thread (you see alot of the same people posting there as here) anyhow on page 56 of the ati hdtv wonder thread there is a person with an 8500dv and a person with an aiw9000 that say that the hdtv wonder works fine with their system.

pretty intriguing that a non dx9 based card has it functioning well. perhaps ati took out the restrictions on it and are not using the dx9 pixel shaders anymore to decode. anyhow this is a good thing to post here due to the amount of people with lower videocards that are looking into an hdtv wonder.

i have an hdtv wonder and an 8500dv. i may play around with my systems to see if there is any credence to these reports. i will update if i do.

link to thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&pagenumber=56
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Old Dec 7, 2004, 07:57 PM   #470
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I am also using an 8500DV with the HDTV Wonder. It works fine except it will not record DVDs. Any one have a solution to that problem?
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Old Dec 7, 2004, 08:24 PM   #471
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ATI Technologies Minimum CPU

I just Want to use the HDTV Wonder to Watch HDTV, NOT Recorde.
Can I use it with a 733MHz Celeron Processor?
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Old Dec 8, 2004, 12:01 AM   #472
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awesome. looks like confirmation that the card works with non dx9 compatible videocards. thanks for posting ed and welcome to rage. not sure if i have the problem of writing to dvds. haven't really played aroudn with that yet.
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I am also using an 8500DV with the HDTV Wonder. It works fine except it will not record DVDs. Any one have a solution to that problem?
first off welcome to rage legolas. next thing about the card it's a tough call. i think the minimum on the box is 1.3ghz but some people may be able to squeak by with a lower end cpu and high end videocard.

best thing to do is buy it from a place with a very very good return policy and it it doesn't work then take it back. celerons aren't very good at video encoding/decoding. what videocard do you presently have?
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I just Want to use the HDTV Wonder to Watch HDTV, NOT Recorde.
Can I use it with a 733MHz Celeron Processor?
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733Mhz will not cut it.

There is very little difference from watching and recording with the ATI HDTV WONDER as far as CPU usage goes. The stream is MPEG so the data has to be moved across the PCI bus no matter what.

Test case:
With a Athlon-64 3200+ system am able to set the system to use the Cool-'n'-Quite feature which allows the CPU to change frequency based on need. When idle the CPU will set at 800Mhz but jump to higher frequency as the demand load occurs.

In my testing with the current drivers the CPU load is fine for 800Mhz usage with 720P content but not with 1080i content. With 1080i content I see between 1000-1800Mhz, most of the time we are setting at 1800Mhz.

720P Example (click on image for full view)


1080i Example (click on image for full view)


Real world I think a 1.5Ghz machine would be fine as the rates appear to jump when the CPU usage goes over 60% or so. So while a 1.5Ghz machine would be fine I would expect near 70% or greater usage while viewing 1080i content. This is all theory here, but the real world number I can give may help.

With Cool-'n'-Quite disabled my Athlon-64 3200+ runs at 2000Mhz.

At this speed I see the following:

720p: 10-22%
1080i: 16-29%

I just can't see a 733Mhz processor able to handle this load.

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So I have 80%+ signal and audio, but no picture for my 1080i channels. Anyone have the same problem? Heard of this?


What about DTV with SATA drives, warning box problems?


I ask because ATI says I'm it. The only one. No one else.
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try resetting overlay to defaults while you are trying to watch 1080i?

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So I have 80%+ signal and audio, but no picture for my 1080i channels. Anyone have the same problem? Heard of this?


What about DTV with SATA drives, warning box problems?


I ask because ATI says I'm it. The only one. No one else.
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I use 2 sata 120 seagate drives in raid on my intel perl865 board and i'm running AIW 9700 pro with DTV and Hauppauge 250 card 9.03 is working fine other then I have to re-init the audio MMC if I switch the ATI tv app from the DTV anaolg to the AIW analog. An the hauppauge 250 no troubles.
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Thumbs up Got my HDTV Wonder today!

And I'm impressed... Picked it up for $150 at CompUSA with a $50 instant rebate. Looks like it was worth every penny.

I had just a few install issues because I installed all the up-to-date software in a somewhat wrong order . Other than that, I've had no major problems other than a few DTV lockups which seem to have subsided once I got my antenna setup in an isolated spot with decent reception. I was suprised to see how many DTV and HD chanels that are available OTA here in Southern Indiana (Louisville, KY). Several more than what is available from my local cable company at +$20 a month.

I do get some audio and video studdering on some channels, but it seems to be directly related to poor signal reception and low-bandwidth broadcasts, rather than any software/hardware issues. I can't seem to get any better than 60-75% signal strength even though I'm within 10 miles of most of the broadcast towers in my area. Replacing the 'cheap' coax cable that came with the antenna seems to have helped somewhat.

Anyone have any more suggestions for improving my signal strength? Any inexpensive antenne worth upgrading to?

Anyone know how to get Guide+ or other software working with DTV and not just analog TV? TitanTV seems to only be web based, and does not have anywhere near all the OTA listings for my area.

Any idea how to get that damn padlock off the screen when parental controls are off? I enabled them just messing arround with the software and now I have a few channels that ask me to imput a password to view, allthough the channels config page shows that none are blocked and PCs is showing off in the TV menu.

One more thing, I cannot seem to get downmixing to allow more than a 2 speaker config. I have a Turtle Beach Santa Cruz 5.1 card and have no problems with 5.1 in any other programs. Any ideas?

Thanks in advance,

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Gary,
Guide Plus doesn't support the hdtv portion of the hdtv wonder right now. I do believe that windows media center 2005 does though.(supposedly mce 2005 works much better than mmc at support and picture of the hdtv wonder)

For some odd reason ati has yet to implement the software downmixing options for 6 speaker systems. I would guess they just don't want to spend money on each dd5.1 decoder license they would have to implement with this. If your soundcard supports dd hardware decoding you can pasthrough to it and have the soundcard downmix.(that is what i do with my cards) Although I have to turn my dx sound acc to basic to get the passthrough to work right. If it doesn't you are stuck with dolby pro logic.
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So I have 80%+ signal and audio, but no picture for my 1080i channels. Anyone have the same problem? Heard of this?
Poolshark, I have the same problem with my local PBS which I think is 1080i. It used to work fine but I think my problem started when I upgraded to the lastest drivers/software off the ATI website.

Guys, could this be a decoder problem?
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ttriplett ^^

I found my solution. If you switch between passthrough and downmix in the audio settings the picture appears. It doesn't matter which one is enabled, so long that you switch them.

Personally this really upsets me, since hardware shouldn't need a jumpstart like my car does every now and than. You would have thought after the original TV Wonder and Creative fiascal, that the developers would have worked a little more closely together on their drivers. Anyways, ATI says I'm the only one with the problem, so to hell with me. Somwehere along the line I caused this. I just like to blame ATI and Creative because it makes me feel better about my $200 peice of hardware that I just need to give a little nudge to when I want it to work.

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