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Old Jun 3, 2019, 10:20 PM   #1
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Default No one talking about this? Ford possibly merging with GM.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/finan...ely/ar-AAC1TSR

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Fiat Chrysler Automobiles proposed a merger with Renault that would create the world's third-largest carmaker. The eroding economics of the industry make such deal more likely by the day. Deep trouble at Ford Motor and General Motors' need for more heft to compete with rivals Toyota and Volkswagen make a marriage between the two largest car companies increasingly probable.


Fiat Chrysler argues that a tie-up with Renault will lead to $5.5 billion in savings. As car sales have flattened in the United States and started to drop in China, the two largest markets in the world offer less hope for revenue improvement. Neither company has much of a sales footprint in China. Renault has none at all. Both have a strong market share in Europe, but it is one of the most competitive markets in the world. At the low end of the market, VW is the dominant force. At the high end, it is BMW and Mercedes.

While GM and Ford both have a strong market share in the United States, Ford has stumbled. It has withdrawn most of its sedans in the American market because sales have shifted from cars to sport utility vehicles, crossovers and pickups. Ford's only bright spot in the United States is its F-Series full-sized pickup, which is the top-selling vehicle in the nation. Ford's sales in China are abysmal and falling. GM's are strong, but it is up against other car companies, both local and global, that need the largest car market to be successful.

Ford's management, under CEO Jim Hackett and Executive Chair William Ford, has shown it can cut costs. It recently cut 7,000 white-collar workers. That will save $600 million. Hackett has set total savings of $14 billion for the five-year period that began last year. He also said the company will invest $11 billion to have 40 electric and hybrid cars by 2022. Not many outsiders believe he can make his goal. Ford may build more electric cars and hybrids, but selling them is another matter. The competition in this market runs from tech companies like Alphabet's Waymo to Tesla, startups and every major manufacturer in the world. There is no evidence Ford is ahead of this wave, and so far, it appears the company is behind it. Confidence in Hackett, in particular, is low.

Related video: Jim Cramer on what the Fiat-Renault merger proposal means for GM and Ford (provided by The Street)



GM is better regarded than Ford, primarily because of the work of CEO Mary Barra. She has been CEO of GM since 2014. It also has cut costs. However, many outsiders believe it is ahead of most of its rivals in both the electric and self-driving car businesses. GM owns 75% of Cruise Automation, a leader in artificial intelligence of future cars.

GM has two other advantages over most global manufacturers. It is among the leaders in car sales in China. With its joint venture partners, it sold 813,973 vehicles in the first quarter. GM is also the leader in U.S. car sales, with about 17% of the market.

One of the primary hurdles GM would have if it took over Ford is that the market share of the two in the United States would be close to 30%. Either U.S. regulators would need to accept that, or the combined company would need to sell or spin out some of its brands. The most likely of these are GM's Buick or GMC truck business.

While GM may have a future as a standalone car company over the next decade, Ford does not. Its market cap is down 42% over the past five years, while GM's is close to flat. The savings in a combination would be well into the billions of dollars. A marriage of the two also could compete effectively with Toyota, VW and perhaps the new Fiat Chrysler and Renault combo. GM also has the advantage that it is considered to make among the most dependable American cars.
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Old Jun 3, 2019, 10:25 PM   #2
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Nope. I'll believe it when I see it.
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Nope. I'll believe it when I see it.
There's more merit behind it than you may think. They would ofcourse still be their own entities.
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So is this more of an opinion piece by some guy?

I would think if this had any traction there'd be some news that they're actually in talks to merge.....
No news to me indicates this has not been entertained (yet)
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Highly improbable.

Looking at this guy's other articles, he's kind of a carnival barker, lots of his stuff is just to get clicks.
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Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies. Rivers and seas boiling.
Forty years of darkness. Earthquakes, volcanoes…
The dead rising from the grave.
Human sacrifice, Ford and GM merging – mass hysteria.
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Ford and GM did collaborate on the 10 speed auto though so who can say? I don't believe it personally though.
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Great idea. Then just like the telco Bell of the 70-80's, they can overcharge whatever they want for a Mustvette.
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Ford and GM did collaborate on the 10 speed auto though so who can say? I don't believe it personally though.
collabs are normal.

Straight up mergers though.....yeah don't think that'll fly.
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Theres' more to it than just this article, I just grabbed it for reference to be honest. We've been talking with it about the dealership level because our FORD rep was talking about it.

There's more to it than you may think. And it's primarily because FIAT/Chrysler are likely merging with with Renault, who is likely also merging with Nissan.
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Nissan merger is DOA because of Ghosn. While he was in charge that may have been the goal not anymore.
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Nissan merger is DOA because of Ghosn. While he was in charge that may have been the goal not anymore.
It's still very much a possibility. Primarily for electric vehicles.
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There are way too much cars ready to get off lease. So yeah, something is going to give.
But it is MSN, so click baits abound.

Either way, who cares? You need a car, you have needs, the car has features, chose what you need or want.
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Nissan merger is DOA because of Ghosn. While he was in charge that may have been the goal not anymore.
I hear that there is the possibility of Renault splitting from Nissan (Don't think that was a merger) to make the FCA + Renault merger happen. Seems like as long as Renault and Nissan are in bed together, the merger wont happen.
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