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Old Jul 18, 2011, 02:55 PM   #1021
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When they make the game available only on EA's service, which is not even a tenth as popular as Steam, all of those Steam users that exclusively use Steam will not have access to the game what-so-ever unless they adopt the Origin service or search elsewhere for the game.
Actually it seems they'll make it available everywhere except Steam which presents the question; what isn't Valve telling the users?

You know what fun thing here is? I can buy Battlefield 3 from my grocery store when it comes out while buying spaghetti - on top of that it'll be cheaper than on Steam and I'll have a nice box to remember me what I've bought next to the others on the shelf.
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Old Jul 18, 2011, 03:00 PM   #1022
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Actually it seems they'll make it available everywhere except Steam which presents the question; what isn't Valve telling the users?

You know what fun thing here is? I can buy Battlefield 3 from my grocery store when it comes out while buying spaghetti - on top of that it'll be cheaper than on Steam and I'll have a nice box to remember me what I've bought next to the others on the shelf.
Nothing. Its probably that EA doesnt want to give any money to steam for having it on their platform. EA is fcking greedy. It probably cost them less to have it on any other retailer. Id think that they would figure if they have it on every other digital site, it will make up for not having it on steam and save them money paying steam. I think they know millions of people will buy it on steam and they will lose more money than they would like to there.

Oh, and about the box thing. I used to like getting boxes and stuff as well... then I moved 4-5 times and all those boxes went in the trash as I felt I had no need for them. Then I lost some of the cd keys in the process and the games were rendered unusable at that point. Digital services fix that for me. I just like how steam keeps all your games ready and cdkeys archived with them, that way when you want to play... no problems to be had just download and go.
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Old Jul 18, 2011, 03:00 PM   #1023
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The only people are cutting themselves out would be EA. EA needs customers, the customers dont need EA.

Although, I do agree with your last statement. If the game is good enough people will go out of their way to get it and play it regardless of where they have to get it from.

I think EA should just put it on Steam... Steam has a huge user base and people will buy it on steam before they go anywhere else digitally(usually). I for one am holding out til a month before release to pre order in hopes that it will come to steam. If not I am going to have to go with amazon digital service.
Customers need EA if they want BF3....

Again since I do not know the terms of dealing with Steam... it would be hard for me to "tell" EA what they should do.

Perhaps EA feels they don't need Steam. ya know?
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Actually it seems they'll make it available everywhere except Steam which presents the question; what isn't Valve telling the users?

You know what fun thing here is? I can buy Battlefield 3 from my grocery store when it comes out while buying spaghetti - on top of that it'll be cheaper than on Steam and I'll have a nice box to remember me what I've bought next to the others on the shelf.
Exactly my point.... who knows what the terms of steam are? Perhaps they are the greedy ones.

It is funny.... how people jump to conclusions.
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Old Jul 18, 2011, 03:08 PM   #1025
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Customers need EA if they want BF3....

Again since I do not know the terms of dealing with Steam... it would be hard for me to "tell" EA what they should do.

Perhaps EA feels they don't need Steam. ya know?
True, if customers want BF3. But, not everyone plays FPS and we dont need their game to survive. EA, as a company, needs us more than we need them.

Yeah, its really hard to comment on EAs situation not knowing the terms for being on Steam behind the scenes. I really dont think its not a monetary thing though, its more that they want to get some people to flow to origin. Id probably do the same as well. Id put my heavy hitter games on my platform and make people come to me...EA wants origin to be a major competitor of Steam one day. EA wants to take over everything.
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Old Jul 18, 2011, 04:04 PM   #1026
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Exactly my point.... who knows what the terms of steam are? Perhaps they are the greedy ones.

It is funny.... how people jump to conclusions.
If steam were the greedy ones, then a lot of the indie games on steam would not be able to survive.
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Old Jul 18, 2011, 04:25 PM   #1027
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Battlefield 3 not being on Steam, if true, is going to be the one thing that absolutely kills it when it comes to really defeating Modern Warfare 3, I'm afraid. When you cut out a userbase that enormous, you're just asking for trouble.
Don't think so. Look back at BFBC2, there were far more that bought the game either retail or from some other DD than Steam. That can easily be seen by comparing the numbers playing shown here,

http://bfbcs.com/pc

which as of right now is just over 27,000. Looking at Steams stats page,

http://store.steampowered.com/stats/

it peaked at just over 11,000 in the past hour with just over 9000 playing right now through Steam. So 18,000 playing that aren't running the game through Steam.

Somehow that sort of makes your doom and gloom about not being on Steam killing BF3 not likely to happen.
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Old Jul 18, 2011, 04:47 PM   #1028
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Don't think so. Look back at BFBC2, there were far more that bought the game either retail or from some other DD than Steam. That can easily be seen by comparing the numbers playing shown here,

http://bfbcs.com/pc

which as of right now is just over 27,000. Looking at Steams stats page,

http://store.steampowered.com/stats/

it peaked at just over 11,000 in the past hour with just over 9000 playing right now through Steam. So 18,000 playing that aren't running the game through Steam.

Somehow that sort of makes your doom and gloom about not being on Steam killing BF3 not likely to happen.
You should take a marketing class some time. 11/27 = about 40% of your market you are telling to go piss themselves. What sane company does that?
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Old Jul 18, 2011, 05:32 PM   #1029
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Meh steam big deal, people are suckers and steam has them by the balls on their terms, they have created an army of steam fanbois. I remember a time when everyone used to piss and moan when a game could only be bought and played with steam online.. plus all of its bugs etc.

Steam is good but I dont think most normal people will care where they get BF3.
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Looks like Gamestop are trying to reduce Steam's market share. EA probably agreed to this for special deals. Strange how just because Steam was one of the first and grew it now is the big threat. Clearly Steam is a good tool for developers and gamers with many publishers also loving it. Not everybody that was going to buy it on Steam will buy it elsewhere, it may reduce Steam market share slightly but probably just less sales on the PC.
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Old Jul 18, 2011, 06:04 PM   #1031
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Don't think so. Look back at BFBC2, there were far more that bought the game either retail or from some other DD than Steam. That can easily be seen by comparing the numbers playing shown here,

http://bfbcs.com/pc

which as of right now is just over 27,000. Looking at Steams stats page,

http://store.steampowered.com/stats/

it peaked at just over 11,000 in the past hour with just over 9000 playing right now through Steam. So 18,000 playing that aren't running the game through Steam.

Somehow that sort of makes your doom and gloom about not being on Steam killing BF3 not likely to happen.

1/3 of the population playing the game from steam is still a darn lot though you have to admit, especially compared to everything else, thats a rather big chunk
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1/3 of the population playing the game from steam is still a darn lot though you have to admit, especially compared to everything else, thats a rather big chunk
Yer it is a fair chunk, but think of it this way, its now going to be 100% on origin
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Yer it is a fair chunk, but think of it this way, its now going to be 100% on origin
No, thats quite a elementary way of looking at the data. The argument here is more advanced. For example:

Would you rather have
100% of 1million
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60% of 3million

Dont forget this is EA's big AAA game this year thats gonna have 125million$ of advertising ALONE. I dont think finding ways to loose ANY percentage of a consumer base is a profitable idea, especially considering its competitor is a direct competitor.... not many people will probably buy both MW3 and BF3, for many (of course not all) its one or the other.
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Old Jul 19, 2011, 02:07 AM   #1034
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Just to put it out there. Pre-order this game from www.cdkeyshere.com for 27$ like a boss on crack pipe.
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No, thats quite a elementary way of looking at the data. The argument here is more advanced. For example:

Would you rather have
100% of 1million
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60% of 3million

Dont forget this is EA's big AAA game this year thats gonna have 125million$ of advertising ALONE. I dont think finding ways to loose ANY percentage of a consumer base is a profitable idea, especially considering its competitor is a direct competitor.... not many people will probably buy both MW3 and BF3, for many (of course not all) its one or the other.
Yes but EA are concerned about having 100% control over their product and no doubt they will be expanding on the (probable) success of BF3 with future installments, aswell as bad company and other EA series etc. They know it will hurt sales a little but are looking at the broader picture imo. BF3 will still sell like crazy.
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11/27 = about 40% of your market you are telling to go piss themselves. What sane company does that?
Are you saying that anyone who purchased BFBC2 on steam would not have purchased it elsewhere if it wasn't available on steam?
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Have to say my first impressions of origin are good, I scratched the crap out of my MoH disc and felt like reinstalling it, origin downloaded it in 7 minutes I've never had these speeds from steam. But that is the extent of my origin usage so far, it may prove to be terrible..
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You should take a marketing class some time. 11/27 = about 40% of your market you are telling to go piss themselves. What sane company does that?

EA is not saying that at all. If EA produces the product people want to buy... people will buy it.

I suspect many publishers will be looking at how the EA service works, and seeing if they can go that route as well.
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Are you saying that anyone who purchased BFBC2 on steam would not have purchased it elsewhere if it wasn't available on steam?
BC2 was my first Battlefield game, and I probably wouldn't have purchased it if it wasn't on Steam for two reasons:

1) My friends, with whom I play most MP games, tipped me off to it on Steam and we all pre-ordered, without the "community" aspect of my friends list on Steam, I would probably have just kept playing TF2 since I was never into BF (played a few hours of 1942 at a LAN cafe years ago).
2) It was easy to make an impulse purchase on Steam (4-pack pre-order, click mouse a few times).

If BF3 isn't on Steam I will not be pre-ordering, and will wait for reviews/few months of patches before considering buying retail. I think EA is making a strategic mistake by trying to ignore a 30+ Million user install base on the "leading" platform for BF3.

It would be like a band not releasing a major album on iTunes.
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This.

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Is it just me that uses Steam to buy everything apart from new releases?

Their pricing structure on new releases is terrible. You can save an easy £10 just by buying from Amazon.



BF3 not being on Steam is hardly going to decimate sales. It is stupid to say that sales won't go down, but if EA reckons they're going to get more money if more people buy from places they get a bigger cut from, more power to them.

Because let's face it, only very few people will not buy this game because it's not on Steam, vs. the amount of people that will buy this game whether it's on Steam or not, but would favour the Steam option.

And remember, all of the people saying they won't buy BF3 if it's not on Steam, probably said they wouldn't buy MW:2 because it doesn't have dedicated servers as well
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Steam pricing outside of sales is absolutely crap.
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Steam pricing outside of sales is absolutely crap.
since you buy steam keys from other websites, you don't have to deal with that, right?
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since you buy steam keys from other websites, you don't have to deal with that, right?
Yes, but there are some games on steam that are not available elsewhere and hence, I also have to wait it out to purchase.
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True.

If I buy it, ill be buying it from a online retailer or at a shop in town, can probably save £10 doing it that way, as Steam prices are nearly always a joke.
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Same here, steam is simply way too expensive on release days.
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Seems true for anywhere other than the US. They are the same price as any other retail store in the US.
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Just to put it out there. Pre-order this game from www.cdkeyshere.com for 27$ like a boss on crack pipe.
But the full version (very special edition) is $40 for download vs $50 shipped elsewhere. Savings, yes. Worth it? Meh.
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