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Old Mar 26, 2020, 08:04 AM   #271
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atrocious ending this is an ending where a bunch of unsophisticated writers trying too hard to make an emotional story and failing
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Just when I thought they went the right way they F it up!
I actually like Discovery better then this season of Picard, minus a few of the snowflakes they have on the show.
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That ending was anticlimactic.

1st season of Picard gets a 6/10 from me. And that is being generous.

Their was too much bad writing and very little star trek for my liking. Not to mention pointless cursing.

It had such promise. Now it's just meh...

They basically screwed this up. Pretty bad.

I'm re-watching DS9 just to get the taste out of my mouth.
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So I watched the whole S1 in 2 days and it didn't really feel like Star Trek to me apart from the cameos. It felt more like someone took your average action TV show and a slapped familiar environment on it and some fan service in the form of familiar songs and little tidbits here and there - which of many were too obvious.

The pretty coarse language didn't really feel like it belongs in the series. I was hoping for a more philosophical tone and less ninja-lzrbmzs and lens flares to hide the CGI.

Oh well, I guess this is what ST is nowadays.

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Star trek is dead. Has been since JJ Abrams made a movie.
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I was fine with the movies until they pulled the Beastie boys non-sense!
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That ending was anticlimactic.

1st season of Picard gets a 6/10 from me. And that is being generous.

Their was too much bad writing and very little star trek for my liking. Not to mention pointless cursing.

It had such promise. Now it's just meh...

They basically screwed this up. Pretty bad.

I'm re-watching DS9 just to get the taste out of my mouth.
Don't forget the ludicrous overuse of "JL" instead of calling him by his ****ing name. Apparently Jean-Luc was too many syllables.
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I was fine with the movies until they pulled the Beastie boys non-sense!
I literally cannot believe nobody stopped that idea the moment it was brought up.

1: "Hey let's make a beastie boys song save the galaxy"

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1: "...I'm serious..."

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That ending was anticlimactic.

1st season of Picard gets a 6/10 from me. And that is being generous.

Their was too much bad writing and very little star trek for my liking. Not to mention pointless cursing.

It had such promise. Now it's just meh...
Yeah, pretty much.
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I agree. What a great way to finally have real closure, something Picard was never able to really do. Not even in the movie.
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I thought the last episode was amazing. Loved what they did with Data.
yes it's emotionally good, but logically doesn't make sense... data memory was transferred to b4 but the personality was supposedly gone, that was nemesis story told us... in this series at the first episode picard was dreaming about data... but in the ending suddenly there was this "real" data that told picard to kill him.

2000s trek is just emo trek that fails in any logic, cohesion and continuation.
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I agree. What a great way to finally have real closure, something Picard was never able to really do. Not even in the movie.
The last episode was pretty good, and the 1st season while started a bit "meh" got better as it went on.

Also while I do like the whole TNG era of trek, I don't want to see a utopion society non stop in every star trek, not every Human in star trek is part of the mighty peace loving Federation. So it's nice to have some normal people than people striving for some perfect image of humanity.


Also for me personally TNG season 1-2 had some decent episodes but for the most part I disliked those 2 seasons for different reasons.

I mean Tasha ya fighting some woman in tinfoil costumes, to please some Alien Sultan.

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yes it's emotionally good, but logically doesn't make sense... data memory was transferred to b4 but the personality was supposedly gone, that was nemesis story told us... in this series at the first episode picard was dreaming about data... but in the ending suddenly there was this "real" data that told picard to kill him.

2000s trek is just emo trek that fails in any logic, cohesion and continuation.
If you want to disect Star Trek for plotholes, lack of cohesion etc then we'd need a few years because it's always had them.

Each Trek program usually has a rough first season until they find their ground and start to take the show places.
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my beagle could have written a better story. Space elves, plot ripoff from mass effect, cylons etc
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tru.dat. Sad that Enterprise was cancelled as it was getting really good.
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What? Space Nazis and ****, thank goodness that thing was cancelled.
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yes it's emotionally good, but logically doesn't make sense... data memory was transferred to b4 but the personality was supposedly gone, that was nemesis story told us... in this series at the first episode picard was dreaming about data... but in the ending suddenly there was this "real" data that told picard to kill him.

2000s trek is just emo trek that fails in any logic, cohesion and continuation.
data made a copy of his memories to B-4, it was not a transfer meaning that nothing was left in data, or that it was some how transfer at his death. The reason B-4 didn't have the personality was because his matrix wasn't capable of processing such information, nor did he have an emotion chip. The copy was made before long before data died at the end of Nemisis Data explained that they where able to retrieve his memory Ingram's which would still be intact. Which lead to the ending in Picard. Very plausible and accurate if they where indeed able to retrieve data's Ingram's after he blew up. Now, that is questionable, but not disprovable as we don't have anyway of disproving that parts of data where not in the dabre. Even if they got the memory engrams from B-4, which may have been mentioned in picard, and I missed it, they where still there, b-4 was just unable to process them due to his matrix being to simplified, but the data (information) was still saved. But, if they retrieved them from B-4, he would have no memory of sacrificing himself for picard. So they had to get them from the dabre.
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data made a copy of his memories to B-4, it was not a transfer meaning that nothing was left in data, or that it was some how transfer at his death. The reason B-4 didn't have the personality was because his matrix wasn't capable of processing such information, nor did he have an emotion chip. The copy was made before long before data died at the end of Nemisis Data explained that they where able to retrieve his memory Ingram's which would still be intact. Which lead to the ending in Picard. Very plausible and accurate if they where indeed able to retrieve data's Ingram's after he blew up. Now, that is questionable, but not disprovable as we don't have anyway of disproving that parts of data where not in the dabre. Even if they got the memory engrams from B-4, which may have been mentioned in picard, and I missed it, they where still there, b-4 was just unable to process them due to his matrix being to simplified, but the data (information) was still saved. But, if they retrieved them from B-4, he would have no memory of sacrificing himself for picard. So they had to get them from the dabre.
Data copied his memory long before the end of nemesis? Really? I don't remember such explanation, and it wouldn't make sense anyway, the logic following such explanation would made data somehow wanted and did clone himself out of blue then.

And even with that explanation, it's such a complicated contrivance not shown within the story itself.


Also let's not forget to realize that ****ing Jean luc Picard is now an Android and without Riker and any of his real friends even knowing about it... Heck, Riker was just there seconds ago before his best friend collapsed this is just one of the many **** ups on the story.
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Old Mar 30, 2020, 08:15 AM   #297
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Data copied his memory long before the end of nemesis? Really? I don't remember such explanation, and it wouldn't make sense anyway, the logic following such explanation would made data somehow wanted and did clone himself out of blue then.

And even with that explanation, it's such a complicated contrivance not shown within the story itself.


Also let's not forget to realize that ****ing Jean luc Picard is now an Android and without Riker and any of his real friends even knowing about it... Heck, Riker was just there seconds ago before his best friend collapsed this is just one of the many **** ups on the story.
Data Copied his memories and data files to B-4 shortly after they found him and put him back together, when they where doing all their testing on him, because they realize that his programming was limited and wanted to expand his capabilities. But his matrix wasn't able to process much of it, not right away. (in the end of Nemesis, He started to mumble/sing the song Data sang at the wedding from the beginning of the movie) Had NOTHING to do with Data wanting to clone himself. There was no explanation, it was in the Movie, close to half way thru if memory serves me correctly.
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Data Copied his memories and data files to B-4 shortly after they found him and put him back together, when they where doing all their testing on him, because they realize that his programming was limited and wanted to expand his capabilities. But his matrix wasn't able to process much of it, not right away. (in the end of Nemesis, He started to mumble/sing the song Data sang at the wedding from the beginning of the movie) Had NOTHING to do with Data wanting to clone himself. There was no explanation, it was in the Movie, close to half way thru if memory serves me correctly.
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Spiner says: “When he blew up in Nemesis, I never expected to get the backlash [the show got] from so many fans over that. I thought, ‘Well, that’s a great, big emotional ending, and he’s sacrificing himself for his friends’ and that was just. But it didn’t seem to sit that well with too many people.”

With “Picard” now having offered the character a chance to say goodbye, and having him as a key motivating force for much of the season, Spiner feels this is the proper send off

https://www.darkhorizons.com/brent-s...ng-data-again/
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What? Space Nazis and ****, thank goodness that thing was cancelled.
Oh Hell no, I liked Enterprise, Loved Tpol During the last crisis (Financial Crisis - Been a while now) I watched the whole thing over again.

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