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Old Nov 27, 2015, 02:43 PM   #61
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Just as an FYI - Anything that Windows Display options does is not replicated in Radeon Software Crimson. You can make those changes in Windows. (i.e. resolutions and refresh rates)
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Old Nov 27, 2015, 02:46 PM   #62
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nice find.

i see a lot of complaints about that.
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Did you uninstall the old ones first?
That's not it...in the AMD registry settings, the drivers are identified in one place as "15.8" and in another as "15.11"--Crimson is based on the 15.11, imo. I'd guess around the release of the 15.8 Cats is when they started on the Crimson interface.

I also don't know where some people are getting the "beta" driver status...On the official download page for Crimson it says nary a word about beta and the only beta driver referenced is the 15.11.1--yet there is a link which leads to a Crimson "Beta"--the only problem is that the driver id for *both* the "beta" and the official retail Crimson driver is 15.300.1025.0 A quick look at the release notes for the "beta" and the release driver proves they are one in the same (they're identical.) What's really weird is that the "beta" page shows this driver as supporting Legacy GPUs, but the Official release page states that Crimson won't work for Legacy GPUs--ie, anything less than the HD7000 series. But, they are the same driver...!

Lol...I hate it, but it is hard to see how this could have been mishandled any worse than this. In the first place, the CCC should not have been discontinued for the Crimson drivers until all of the CCC functionality could be picked up in Crimson--that's a no-brainer, is it not? It should be marketed as a work-in-progress and strictly a beta *interface* at this time.

The thing is, the Crimson *driver* itself is not a bad driver at all--what's poor is the Crimson interface. Use the Deivce manager to load in the 15.300xxxx Crimson drivers into the 15.11.1 CCC shell and you'll see what I mean--all the expected functionality is there for Crimson, including the new CRU (which I cannot get to function, but that's another story.) But you only get it running the CCC interface--not the Crimson interface.
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quite frankly, been doing that since the day I installed.

what was once available in one single interface has now to be done using three: Crimson cp, CCC zombie and Windows display properties. Well done.

Add missing hotkeys to the mix and you start wondering what they smoke in Sunnyvale.

Still, I'm planning to buy a 390X. Must have been smoking some bad stuff myself lately

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Lol...I hate it, but it is hard to see how this could have been mishandled any worse than this. In the first place, the CCC should not have been discontinued for the Crimson drivers until all of the CCC functionality could be picked up in Crimson--that's a no-brainer, is it not? It should be marketed as a work-in-progress and strictly a beta *interface* at this time.
Totally agree with you.
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People using the word "replicated" are missing the point, completely. The resolution-switching controls in Windows are rudimentary, bare-bones. They are designed solely for changing the resolution of Windows and nothing else. But the resolution capability in the GPU drivers is there specifically for other reasons--for instance--to support Game Resolution of 2d and 3d games, sometimes 30 years old or older--this is far and away different from what Windows needs to do when switching resolutions (let's not forget that GPUs have had resolution switching capabilities since day one--because when you have a GPU you use the GPU to change screen resolutions--not the CPU, etc.)

Here's a quick example of what I'm talking about: I have a game--more than one, actually--that insists on opening a 640x480 screen even though my native res is 1920x1200 atm. Windows *always* wants to open the screen at 60Hz--but I want the screen to open @ 75Hz because that is my preference (for other people it might be 144Hz, etc.) Right now the only way I can get that to happen is to manually open a 640x480 75Hz Windows screen and then run the game. Wouldn't it be much better, say, if I could make a game profile that would (a) open a 640x480, 75Hz screen and (b) then run the game--right from a GPU game profile? Of course it would. But the Crimson interface has stripped resolution switching right out of the AMD GPU driver interface! Now we have to depend on Windows or on a 3rd-party application simply to exert user control over screen resolution switching! A terrible idea. The Good News is that if you install the Crimson drivers into the 15.11.1 CCC shell that you have full resolution control returned to you. It isn't the drivers that don't allow you to switch your resolutions--it's the Crimson interface as it sits. Here's hoping they fix that soon.

The Catalysts provide far more resolution switching control to the user than Windows does--which they should since Microsoft doesn't make the gpus or write the drivers for them. I certainly don't intend to ever buy a GPU costing several hundred dollars with which I cannot even change my Windows desktop resolution unless I use Microsoft software to do it--or some other 3rd-party software! Bad, bad idea. If AMD cannot figure out how to greatly enhance resolution and refresh-rate control in its GPU drivers and use the Crimson QT interface at the same time, then Crimson needs to go and they need to start over. Simple as that. Nope, less is never more, imo, and it's really sad to see people applaud the dumbing down of the products they use.
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Looks like the UI is not ready for prime time, it is missing some very key parts as in video options (different processing filters), positioning of monitors, resolution selection . . .

The new UI worked fine in windows 8.1 even when I simply installed them over the previous driver set, but windows 10 and doing the same install method will have none of it........


Like I said, I don't mind much since I only use the driver control panel once right after the install, and don't screw with it afterwards and everything works fine.......
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I'm going to check when I get home, but I am fairly positive that all of those options are still there. I actually remember setting the resolution on the HTPC for the TV right after install.

Also, for positioning and resolution, isn't that built into Windows anyway? And isn't just as convenient as getting into Radeon Settings (right click on desktop)? I get the convenience of having those within the AMD UI, but I hope people aren't pretending its the end of the world...
Let me know when you find those settings please. For a HTPC these are very useful. Thanks


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Let me know when you find those settings please. For a HTPC these are very useful. Thanks
Is this what you're looking for? "C:\Program Files (x86)\AMD\CNext\CCCSlim\CCC.exe"
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Is this what you're looking for? "C:\Program Files (x86)\AMD\CNext\CCCSlim\CCC.exe"
Thanks for responding, no that is not it. The video settings are not in that portion of CCC nor can I find them in Crimson.
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I only use the driver control panel once right after the install, and don't screw with it afterwards and everything works fine.......
Exactly like me, i've never add any problem with AMD drivers because of this reason.


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Thanks for responding, no that is not it. The video settings are not in that portion of CCC nor can I find them in Crimson.
On my W10 if i right click i can go directly to the old CCC and the normal video settings are there, on the new interface just choose Display->additional settings (top right) and it will take you into old CCC.
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Here I was so happy with Crimson. They work as they should on my comp. I got Eyefinity and freesync working. And everything is peachy. Then i read how much problems you guys got.

Well i can report that the flickering problem on 2 displays or more with 1440p or higher resolution, in windows desktop, introduced with 15.7 has disapeared for me with this new driver.

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Exactly like me, i've never add any problem with AMD drivers because of this reason.




On my W10 if i right click i can go directly to the old CCC and the normal video settings are there, on the new interface just choose Display->additional settings (top right) and it will take you into old CCC.
What is included in the "old CCC" is not complete. It's a trimmed down version of the old one. There is no option there for arranging displays, Extending Desktops, etc. etc.
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What is included in the "old CCC" is not complete. It's a trimmed down version of the old one. There is no option there for arranging displays, Extending Desktops, etc. etc.
I'll have to agree with this, include the no hot keys as mention in previous post. I switch between landscape and portrait mode for various stuff and its annoying to have to do it via windows when before I can just hit a hotkey to switch back and forth
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I used the AMD driver cleanup utility and Guru3D driver cleaner then reinstalled the crimson drivers. Display tab now opens without crashing. Yeah for small victory's.
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Exactly like me, i've never add any problem with AMD drivers because of this reason.




On my W10 if i right click i can go directly to the old CCC and the normal video settings are there, on the new interface just choose Display->additional settings (top right) and it will take you into old CCC.
The old CCC interface in Crimson does not have those video quality settings. Now if yours does please let me know. Maybe my installation went bad. Still I have it on two machines and they both don't so I think the UI is just missing the feature control.

Now Display in the drivers should allow setting resolution etc. Setup monitor rotation, placement etc. that is paramount for multi monitor solutions. Using Windows interface sucks.
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This Crimson driver set does really need some serious work. If I go to Display Properties, and click on Detect, it does not detect any other display other than what is active at the time. The only way I've been able to get all of my displays active is via Eyefinity. But, I don't always want to use the displays in an Eyefinity group. Sometimes, simply extended as separate displays. And, if I have my HDTV connected, it MUST be part of the group....period!

But, once the Eyefinity group is created, I can actually activate the HDTV as a separate display. Go figure!

At present, I do have my regular 3x1 Eyefinity group created and working. But, it's a headache to get to this point if my HDTV is at all connected via HDMI.

I'm quite ready to revert to 15.11.1 beta at this point.


EDIT: I just couldn't stand it anymore! Reverted back to the 15.11.1 drivers
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What is included in the "old CCC" is not complete. It's a trimmed down version of the old one. There is no option there for arranging displays, Extending Desktops, etc. etc.
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The old CCC interface in Crimson does not have those video quality settings. Now if yours does please let me know. Maybe my installation went bad. Still I have it on two machines and they both don't so I think the UI is just missing the feature control.

Now Display in the drivers should allow setting resolution etc. Setup monitor rotation, placement etc. that is paramount for multi monitor solutions. Using Windows interface sucks.
On my CCC there's still all that options. I did installed this drivers above my old ones, i didn't do a clean install (that i should have done, but lazyness...) but everything is working fine, btw i only have a single monitor.
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although I might like the direction they are headed, I don't see why we have to put up with AMD's work in progress.
noko and Dyre couldn't have expressed it better, Crimson is simply not ready and the functionality is not even close to sufficient for anyone going beyond single monitor, period.
To add another one to the bunch of screwed-up/missing features, when I boot up in Eyefinity my taskbar stays spanned across all three monitors even though I've set it to one monitor only. To get it back where I want it, I have to launch CCC zombie (Crimson interface won't do), which in return overrides my monitor calibration and resets the LUT, meaning I have to open Windows resolution settings and another three windows to restore original calibration.

Can't believe they've eliminated hot-keys as well. I was swapping from multi to single screen quite often with a key-press.

What really pisses me off: they've had it just about right in the last three or four driver releases with monitor management, and now this.
Here's hoping for them to fix their mess asap
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I decided to go back to 15.7.1 WHQL since I had GPU clock that act up weirdly bouncing during Far Cry 3 (as well as I also uninstalled FC3 because it gives me headache lol)

They really have to fix Crimson control panel that is very buggy. =/
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there's talk on reddit about this driver messing up fans and frying gpu's, so be careful guys.
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there's talk on reddit about this driver messing up fans and frying gpu's, so be careful guys.

Water cooled here so no worries.....It's not up to the driver to control the fan in the first place, and the cooling can take a huge amount of abuse that's well beyond the amount of heat that the card could ever output in the first place.
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Water cooled here so no worries.....It's not up to the driver to control the fan in the first place, and the cooling can take a huge amount of abuse that's well beyond the amount of heat that the card could ever output in the first place.
If the driver doesn't control the GPU fan, what does?

In CCC, I can set the fan control manually under the Performance option.
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If the driver doesn't control the GPU fan, what does?

In CCC, I can set the fan control manually under the Performance option.


I meant in my particular setup, as the entire stock heat sink / Fan assembly isn't even installed on the video card to begin with ( water blocks are installed there ), so there's nothing plugged in the fan header on the video card PCB.
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It's a bug, we're planning to fix this and some of the other commonly mentioned issues in Crimson in a soon to be released driver.

You can fix this particular issue by performing a fresh reinstallation of the drivers, but this time do not touch the fan speed setting in Global Overdrive within Crimson. This should leave the default setting and not cause this issue to occur.
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Uninstalled CCC drivers. Reboot. Install Crimson. Initially looks and performs good but I notice "stutter" while playing Mechwarrior Online. This was not there before. Rolled back to previous drivers.
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there's talk on reddit about this driver messing up fans and frying gpu's, so be careful guys.
I bet exactly ZERO people have had their cards fried from the driver setting the fan speed too low. That is such BS, as if the GPU wouldn't throttle...

...And now a bunch of haters are going to pile on and claim that AMD is frying GPUs with their drivers.
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I meant in my particular setup, as the entire stock heat sink / Fan assembly isn't even installed on the video card to begin with ( water blocks are installed there ), so there's nothing plugged in the fan header on the video card PCB.
Now it makes sense. Thanks for clarifying.
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Really sounds like AMD needs to pull these drivers back. I had a problem with my Nano, some how the OC of 10.5% got impregnated with all the game titles even though globally it was reset. I do not like seeing artifacts on the screen with a new graphics card playing a game. I may have done something but I am pretty sure I set it back. I think I will be rolling back as well, just the video features is enough not to use these.
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there's talk on reddit about this driver messing up fans and frying gpu's, so be careful guys.


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There are now many reports, such as this one on Reddit, that the recent AMD Crimson Edition driver contains a potentially critical bug. It appears that it can lock the fan speed on AMD GPUs to a very low level, such that under sustained heavy load the GPU may burn out. It is recommended that AMD users revert to a previous driver until the situation is rectified. AMD has tweeted that they are aware of the issue and will be releasing a hotfix tomorrow.

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I'd be careful...
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Old Nov 29, 2015, 10:01 PM   #90
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I'd be careful...

And AGAIN, would love to see proof of FRIED GPUs. People seem to be pretending that GPUs don't downclock to prevent overheating.
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