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Old Jan 9, 2017, 09:49 PM   #511
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been using crossfire since the ati x1950xtx and 1600p about 10 years of buying two of every new card
added sli also 4 years ago
never had that big of problem with cfx or sli I would not be without it

dont notice the problems then, happens but its like having 60hz and then getting a 144hz screen suddenly the 60hz feels like mud and well crossfire/sli are just like that.

its basically crap until they are able to multisync using dx12 but that not going to happen much. I am highly sensitive gamer and crossfire dont cut it for gaming experience especially when your an ace in fps shooters as I am.

Its just awful and why I stayed with single cards and why vega is been worth the wait with new tech. seems it paid off big time waiting.
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At this point even 4K has hardly caught on with the vast majority.
who cares about the vast majority

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most of the vast majority are on consoles
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who cares about the vast majority

this is the



most of the vast majority are on consoles

Give the man a Cigar.....


I guess i'm harder to please these days, but I suppose it eventually happens to everyone after they've done 20+ years of hardware upgrades, and I am willing to pay for 16GB cards and will buy 3 after all, so it's way more money put it for graphics than the vast majority indeed....


On the games I play, I got multi GPU working despite it's known drawbacks which there's no point repeating them yet again.....


As for the 8k display, the cards should support display port 1.4 as the standard was finalized early last year, so there should have been enough time to implement any and all hardware changes required by the time the retail cards ship in a few months from now, and for those wondering about 8k displays themselves, here:


http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/del...esolution.html


It's 5000$, but it's the last monitor you'll ever buy unless it's fails, Point is 8K is here even if it is expensive......It'll be available in march.

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Old Jan 10, 2017, 11:27 AM   #514
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Give the man a Cigar.....


I guess i'm harder to please these days, but I suppose it eventually happens to everyone after they've done 20+ years of hardware upgrades, and I am willing to pay for 16GB cards and will buy 3 after all, so it's way more money put it for graphics than the vast majority indeed....


On the games I play, I got multi GPU working despite it's known drawbacks which there's no point repeating them yet again.....


As for the 8k display, the cards should support display port 1.4 as the standard was finalized early last year, so there should have been enough time to implement any and all hardware changes required by the time the retail cards ship in a few months from now, and for those wondering about 8k displays themselves, here:

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/del...esolution.html


It's 5000$, but it's the last monitor you'll ever buy unless it's fails, Point is 8K is here even if it is expensive......It'll be available in march.
1080/70 do so i'm sure vega will

now hdmi 2.1 I don't know if it is to soon
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1080/70 do so i'm sure vega will

now hdmi 2.1 I don't know if it is to soon


HDMI has the advantage that it's only for watching movies, so a 30Hz refresh is enough........Far harder and more bandwidth intensive is the 60Hz refresh at the same 8K resolution that display port 1.4 has to handle.......Just the display port cables that are compliant with 1.4 are hard to find.....It's a lot of data that has to travel thru that cable cleanly.
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hdmi is still a fan favorite (for some reason) but theoretically a dp 1.4 to hdmi 2.1 adapter might be possible.
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HDMI does audio pass though so its a win, win. Display port can but nobody implements it.
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8gb HBM allows to double the capacity 16GB for games due to how the tech works with Vega and HBM. Starbound Power with vega for gaming.

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With regards to the High Bandwidth Cache from a gaming perspective. We looked at all the modern games, the big games that push memory hard, and one of the things we noticed is the VRAM – graphics memory – utilization. We look at how much of the VRAM that the game allocates. So if the game say needs 4GB of memory when we looked at actually how much of that memory is actually used to render pixels we found that many games, actually most games, don’t use more than 50% of what they allocate.

That’s because the current/old GPU architecture doesn’t give you flexibility to move memory in fine granularity. So with Vega and with the High Bandwidth Cache and the HBC controller, for games it will utilize the amount of frame-buffer you have much more efficiently. So effectively you can think of it as Vega will be doubling your memory capacity for games.

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So basically a game that says it uses 4GB of VRAM right now, is in actuality using 2 and with Vega, you’re saying, it will actually allocate 2.

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wtf does starbound power mean you keep repeating it

are you just fanboying or something im confused.
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8gb HBM allows to double the capacity 16GB for games due to how the tech works with Vega and HBM. Starbound Power with vega for gaming.
They said the same BS when the Fury was released with HBM1 that 4GB would be enought because of their offloading of the ram. Reviews proved this to be false due to stuttering or lower performance.
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They said the same BS when the Fury was released with HBM1 that 4GB would be enought because of their offloading of the ram. Reviews proved this to be false due to stuttering or lower performance.
well maybe it will work this time
http://wccftech.com/amds-vega-double...aphics-memory/
maybe when the 8k dell is out in July a review sight will test it with vega



but who cares at this point 8gb is more than fine for 4k or are you planning on eyefinity with 4k screens

but I would not plan on 8k till Navi and or q4 2018 to 1h 2019 so won't matter much for vega
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8K is 4 times the pixels of 4K. You are not going to see anything soon that can come close to giving you playable fps except possibly a render farm.
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8K is 4 times the pixels of 4K. You are not going to see anything soon that can come close to giving you playable fps except possibly a render farm.
This, otherwise Quad-SLI or QUAD-FIRE but good luck with that.
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8K is 4 times the pixels of 4K. You are not going to see anything soon that can come close to giving you playable fps except possibly a render farm.

I thought that 3 Vega's working together were exactly that......


One can only add one more to that and still have driver support for gaming after all.....
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wtf does starbound power mean you keep repeating it

are you just fanboying or something im confused.
Vega=Star
graphics card produce fps
Star Bound power.
easy enough to understand unless you dont follow amd radeon news and why they choose the names they do.

Vega will expand on the 4gb HBM in fiji which was enough.
You can make a 1080 not being able to do 60 fps in 1080p also, what does that prove? That you dont understand how to set settings in games?
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Sure you can make a 1080 run under 60 FPS at 1080 by forcing options outside of the game. However, at 4K you're going to struggle running every game (not including future releases) at max settings before you even look at extra AA, etc. As I said earlier, the TITAN XP is barely serviceable as a single GPU 4K card after a hefty OC .. Vega would have to add another 15-20% on top of the OC performance of a TITAN XP to get comfortable.

Lowering settings to run a higher resolution is retarded. If you can't run native 4K maxed out then you might as well run a native 1440 monitor ..
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Sure you can make a 1080 run under 60 FPS at 1080 by forcing options outside of the game. However, at 4K you're going to struggle running every game (not including future releases) at max settings before you even look at extra AA, etc. As I said earlier, the TITAN XP is barely serviceable as a single GPU 4K card after a hefty OC .. Vega would have to add another 15-20% on top of the OC performance of a TITAN XP to get comfortable.

Lowering settings to run a higher resolution is retarded. If you can't run native 4K maxed out then you might as well run a native 1440 monitor ..

diablo 3 will max out at 4k with a single 980 4gb

and a few more are playable at 4k maxed out without aa like doom with a single fury x

but that's what sli/cfx are for and I still plan on vega cfx
and many more work fine with cfx and or sli or can be made to work at 4k with fury x cfx or 980 sli

going forward if reviews say neither cfx or sli will work and is not going to
and it is not playable with a single vega at 4k i'll just not buy that game


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can someone explain this campaign against sli/cfx by some people they don't like it so no one should have it
and 4k for that matter
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So in terms of vram something that will need to be investigated is the effect of system ram size on performance on large v buffer requirements. With Vega's cache system being able to use sys ram or HD

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diablo 3 will max out at 4k with a single 980 4gb
dude .. diablo 3 .. ?? a game that could run on a toaster? come on now

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and a few more are playable at 4k maxed out without aa like doom with a single fury x
another game that can run on a toaster.

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but that's what sli/cfx are for and I still plan on vega cfx
and many more work fine with cfx and or sli or can be made to work at 4k with fury x cfx or 980 sli
mgpu scaling and support has been awful lately ..

going forward if reviews say neither cfx or sli will work and is not going to
and it is not playable with a single vega at 4k i'll just not buy that game



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and 4k for that matter
i've ran SLI for a long time and it was awesome. it's not a campaign against it, it's just the truth. support has been getting worse and worse since 2015, and the shift to dx12, where the developers have the control over putting the mgpu support in, seems to have made it worse.

4k is great and all but not single card capable yet. 3440x1440 has been a nice balance between big monitor/high res, and even this is tough to drive
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diablo 3 will max out at 4k with a single 980 4gb

and a few more are playable at 4k maxed out without aa like doom with a single fury x

but that's what sli/cfx are for and I still plan on vega cfx
and many more work fine with cfx and or sli or can be made to work at 4k with fury x cfx or 980 sli

going forward if reviews say neither cfx or sli will work and is not going to
and it is not playable with a single vega at 4k i'll just not buy that game


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can someone explain this campaign against sli/cfx by some people they don't like it so no one should have it
and 4k for that matter
Well up until about 5 months ago I was using Dual 7970's or R9 280x's and games like the division were all bugged out when CFX was enabled or games just didn't utilize the 2nd GPU at all.

Back when I had my 4870x2 and CFX 5870's most games worked with crossfire. It was rare if a game didn't support it.

I have nothing against CFX or SLI but if most games coming out don't utilize the 2nd GPU or if its a mess.. then why bother. Support seems to be trending worse for MGPU thats why I am not using it anymore.

And thats also why I am sticking with 1440P for now.
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Well up until about 5 months ago I was using Dual 7970's or R9 280x's and games like the division were all bugged out when CFX was enabled or games just didn't utilize the 2nd GPU at all.

Back when I had my 4870x2 and CFX 5870's most games worked with crossfire. It was rare if a game didn't support it.

I have nothing against CFX or SLI but if most games coming out don't utilize the 2nd GPU or if its a mess.. then why bother. Support seems to be trending worse for MGPU thats why I am not using it anymore.

And thats also why I am sticking with 1440P for now.
Division has run fine for the most part on NV since release. Many games have a similar story on NV. Albiet the support is low since some games outright do not support SLI/CFX which is why people are complaining.
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4k on a single card is doable at 60fps if you dont care for AA. On the more demanding titles you will need to eat some shadows or reflections. However, if I were to pick resolution over taking a hit on some shadowing, I'd take the resolution. I wouldn't say its not doable but little compromises need to be made on some titles but definitely not all. But at the same time not everyone wants to buy a txp. I game at 4k and my 2nd card is in idle most of the time but it is what it is. Helps with division where I can only maintain like 58 avg with 1 card I suppose lol.
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4k on a single card is doable at 60fps if you dont care for AA. On the more demanding titles you will need to eat some shadows or reflections. However, if I were to pick resolution over taking a hit on some shadowing, I'd take the resolution. I wouldn't say its not doable but little compromises need to be made on some titles but definitely not all. But at the same time not everyone wants to buy a txp. I game at 4k and my 2nd card is in idle most of the time but it is what it is. Helps with division where I can only maintain like 58 avg with 1 card I suppose lol.
star bound power with Vega and 4K and then mass effect Andromeda and I call it a day.
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star bound power with Vega and 4K and then mass effect Andromeda and I call it a day.
Vega is the amd offering for 4k and I am onboard for the ride.
by the looks of that vega doom video
vega is about 50% faster than a fury x right now at 4k on a engineering board with ruff drivers and crap cooling

I expect they will get it 10% to 15% faster by launch with final card and drivers, maybe 20% total if they do a AIO card
and another 10% or so from drivers in the following year after launch

but that is with dx12 and vulkan and a single vega maybe ok at 4k in those maybe if the do the dx12 or vulkan port right

but anything still in dx11 and anything with nvidia's logo on it will still need two .

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Theyve closed the gap significantly with crimson.

nvidia doesnt have much of a lead anymore in dx11.

plus vega has better tess as well.
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by the looks of that vega doom video
vega is about 50% faster than a fury x right now at 4k on a engineering board with ruff drivers and crap cooling

I expect they will get it 10% to 15% faster by launch with final card and drivers, maybe 20% total if they do a AIO card
and another 10% or so from drivers in the following year after launch

but that is with dx12 and vulkan and a single vega maybe ok at 4k in those maybe if the do the dx12 or vulkan port right

but anything still in dx11 and anything with nvidia's logo on it will still need two .
Vega 20% better than a 1080 current early shape with no idea what clocks and whatever else with drivers and such. add around 15-20% more with optimized tech with driver and your in for a treat.
Most dont understand that with the ability to scale shaders the Vega will do things that used to hold back older cards to be around 20% better in dx11 titles.....

Vega has no brakes and its a unprecedented time for any fans of radeon

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