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Old Jan 9, 2017, 03:23 PM   #31
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Seems kind of early to ask/answer the OP's question. Until we get independent reviews of the final product, there is no way to know how good it will be.

I want to be optimistic, but am having a hard time of it. Even if they are performance per dollar competitive with Intel, I have a hard time imagining they will be performance per watt competitive.
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For something that suppose to come out in a month or so. AMD secrecy gives me a bad feeling about Ryzen.
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Old Jan 9, 2017, 07:21 PM   #33
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For something that suppose to come out in a month or so. AMD secrecy gives me a bad feeling about Ryzen.
The longer they keep things secret, the less time Intel has to counter. I wouldn't take it as a bad thing.
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The longer they keep things secret, the less time Intel has to counter. I wouldn't take it as a bad thing.
That's one way of looking at it

But kaby lake was released last week and Intel isn't set to release anything until later this year. What scares me is that all the demos have been setup by AMD. I would think AMD gave more freedom regarding the tech press and testing\bench marking the system. It would sway people from going Intel.

December press conference would've been a good time to hype up a product with info regarding specs\sku's\release date\etc before Intel launched Kaby Lake a few weeks later. Instead it was a cringe fest with more question than answers.
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If they're still tinkering with ryzen, then how in the heck is it supposed to be out in a month or so with any real availability?
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If they're still tinkering with ryzen, then how in the heck is it supposed to be out in a month or so with any real availability?
Same way they are going to have a working retail version of Vega instead of the engineering sample used at CES



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Vega is 1H 2017 that gives them till June.

Ryzen is likely to be a march release at this point. Motherboards are supposedly in production at this point which means it should be close.
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Vega is 1H 2017 that gives them till June.

Ryzen is likely to be a march release at this point. Motherboards are supposedly in production at this point which means it should be close.
I'd like to try their new APU combo with DDR4 to see what it can do at 1080P (my TV's rez). Not sure when they will be released so I may just settle for what cpu I can get first since it's all one socket now.
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I'm more interested in getting all the new platform goodies, like an NVME drive, USB 3.1, DDR4, updated BIOS with better system fan control, etc.
Same here I'm not expecting much coming from a 3570K. I never overclocked it though so the extra IPC and clock speed together might make it noticeably better working in the desktop. Even then it may not be a night/day difference and inside of the couple games I'm playing it may be negligible. My Z77 is just getting long in the tooth at this point and I'm interested in upgrading for the fun of building another system.

On the bright side the old 3570K sans video card is staying put together and actually still has some value to it. Might be able to craigslist the thing for a few hundred bucks.
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raven ridge is sometime 2h if on target. my guess would be they want to be in back to school shopping with the apus.
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I'm plan on doing a rebuild of my HTPC using one of those.
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I know APU's use standard memory for GPU and CPU tasks, but what about HBM2 on an APU? Would that make any sense? Like 2/4 GB for the GPU and the CPU can continue the normal memory usage.

They probably couldn't Fit the HBM memory on the APU alone. So its probably not possible.
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Just as a follow-up this is an article showing how much of an improvement Skylake is over Sandy Bridge (Kaby Lake being identical in terms of IPC):

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9483/i...h-generation/9

You're getting about a 20% clock for clock increase on average. In some very specialized cases maybe double that, while in other cases much less. Sandy Bridge already easily overclocked to the same ball park as Skylake, so there's little to no increase in clock speed. That means that 20% increase in IPC Is basically all you're getting (which is honestly pretty pathetic after 6 years). Even if you're generous and give another 5% in clock speed for Kaby Lake it doesn't add that much more.

In my opinion, what you have to ask yourself is whether a 20-25% increase in performance is actually worth spending $500 (CPU/board/memory)? At least with Ryzen you get more cores. With Kaby Lake it seems to me that you're not getting much of anything.
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I know APU's use standard memory for GPU and CPU tasks, but what about HBM2 on an APU? Would that make any sense? Like 2/4 GB for the GPU and the CPU can continue the normal memory usage.

They probably couldn't Fit the HBM memory on the APU alone. So its probably not possible.
There was talk of them getting HBM but I've not heard it as fact. They can do it but it's probably not cost effective at this time.
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Apparently ryzen is set to be sometime before 3/3. Won't be a mystery for long. I was waiting on x299 this year to upgrade but let's see what amd has. However, some enthusiast boards need to leak out, the boards I am seeing thus far look like low end to mid range trash. Particularly interested in how well zen can acutally oc and benefit from oc, the benchmarking show thus far is easily beaten by my current chip oced.
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Apparently ryzen is set to be sometime before 3/3. Won't be a mystery for long. I was waiting on x299 this year to upgrade but let's see what amd has. However, some enthusiast boards need to leak out, the boards I am seeing thus far look like low end to mid range trash. Particularly interested in how well zen can acutally oc and benefit from oc, the benchmarking show thus far is easily beaten by my current chip oced.
I don't know nyc that's a pretty dam good cpu you've got there so you may be right. I'm going to go ryzen/vega just to play around with a new platform.
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not seen any asus rog X370 MB yet

want something comparable to my R4E to replace it
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I want to get an Asrock X370 Professional Gaming ATX mobo. I haven't decided which DDR4 RAM to get.
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Just spoke to my mate at the local computer shop down the road and he's priced me the following;

- Kaby Lake 7600K - £240.00
- Asus B250 Prime - £ 87.00
- 16GB DDR 2400 ram - £110.00
- Total - £437.00

He'll also build it all for me for £25.00 which saves me a lot of time and hassle. I'm away for a few days at the end of the month so that looks like a good time.

I've thought long and hard about Ryzen but the 8/16 cpu doesn't really interest me because I think it'll be priced around £400/£500 and the 4/18 cpu's are not due to June and whilst I'm sure they'll be competitively priced I could have been enjoying my Kaby Lake set up for five months by then. I'm also leaning towards Intel because Kaby Lake will just work as Sky Lake did so there aren't going to be any major issues. Ryzen on the other hand is a completely new chip, new socket, new chipset and everything and I remember an old IT Director I worked alongside (I was the Marketing Director) and he told me it's OK to be on the leading edge but stay away from the bleeding edge.

To me Kaby Lake is the leading edge and Ryzen the bleeding edge so I think I'll take his wise advice. I also don't think the launch of Ryzen will force Intel to drop their prices in my market segment. Ryzen 8/16 will be slower in most things than an i7 7700k and I think the same for their 4/8. OK you get more cores/threads but for me that's not worth holding out for or paying for. Obviously that's my personal opinion only.
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not a fan of the super cheap mobo. i'd bump that to the $120 range and go Gigabyte or a better ASUS.
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not a fan of the super cheap mobo. i'd bump that to the $120 range and go Gigabyte or a better ASUS.
I thought about that but basically I don't need 2 x PCIe 16 lanes as I won't be going crossfire and this board has an old PCI slot so I can keep using my Sound blaster card. At the end of the day it's horses for courses and I think this mobo will do what I need. I'm popping into the shop tomorrow, weather permitting, so I'll see what other mobo's are on offer.
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You can't oc with that motherboard. It also has poor power delivery and lacks a number of new features. You may want to look for something with Z270 chipset to go with that 7600k.
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50 bucks to 75 bucks now for a better product that your going to depend on for a couple of years is a small investment. Save the shitty mobos for oems. Also keep your eye out on bios updates with these z270 boards. Stock voltages kinda crazy.
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Ryzen on the other hand is a completely new chip, new socket, new chipset and everything and I remember an old IT Director I worked alongside (I was the Marketing Director) and he told me it's OK to be on the leading edge but stay away from the bleeding edge.
This is definitely something to take into consideration. The first 5 Bios Mobo releases will be tweaks and bug fixes. Happens with all new boards.
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Got all my parts in for the 7700k. I'll be building this beast over the weekend.

It should be very interesting to see where AMD prices all their new CPUs. It would be highly unlikely that I would purchase a first generation Ryzen platform anyway. That's one of the reasons I went with the 7700K.
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I dodged a bullet by going Skylake 6600k in August with the way DDR4 ram prices are now it really eats into the budget.
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...And this is the results of poor marketing on AMD side. People who went Intel because the lack of information.
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...And this is the results of poor marketing on AMD side. People who went Intel because the lack of information.
I think it's more about people getting bit by the upgrade bug at a really odd time. I still don't see what Kaby Lake brings to the table that Skylake didn't. But, on the bright side, if Ryzen comes out and is way better, I suppose they can always resell their parts!

Edit: Also, in full disclosure I'm actually putting together a Kaby Lake system myself, only because I need another computer and waiting for a month isn't possible. However, I fully intend to sell off the CPU and motherboard if Ryzen comes out and offers a better value.

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