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Old Jun 26, 2020, 10:56 AM   #211
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I understand. You are near the end then. I am now doing day 1.
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I understand. You are near the end then. I am now doing day 1.
I thought so too. But they are not rushing things in the end. I don’t mind at all because they are ramping up the tensions, changing environments, and making it harder as you go. It’s a lot of fun. Plus messing with the timelines is makes things more emotional because you know some of the endings for some of the characters you are starting to really like. Hope it keeps going ...
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I am about 20 hours in and destroying Scars.
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There is actually a lot more to go from where you are at.

I finished it tonight. Here is my attempt at a spoiler free review. I am still processing the ending. It definitely seemed like the right way to end. It was a true ending but still left room for a sequel. It's essentially a story of hate and revenge. It tries to show how hard it is to let go and what it takes to realize the destructive path you are on. And it tells it from multiple perspectives. Pretty heavy stuff actually. The final scene between Joel and Ellie was classic. Very ambitious attempt at pushing the level of story telling up a notch. I'd give them credit for the pacing and the way they showed the bonds and emotions that formed throughout the game from each of the characters involved. You want to root both for and against the main characters at any given moment in the game.

As far as gameplay goes it is 100% classic The Last of Us gameplay. But ratcheted up to a whole new level of challenge, variety, and choices. There is far more opportunities to explore and collect materials than in the first game. The upgrades and skills are fun and varied. The weapon upgrades are pretty standard stuff. But the upgrade workbench is a work of art where you actually watch the character use tools to physically modify the weapons based on the upgrade you chose. Really cool. The enemies are tough. The humans in Seattle are run by two main factions. One very militarized the other run by religious zealots. Fighting each is a totally different and fun experience. The infected are all of the same from the original game. But there is at least 3 new enemy types that are scary as crap.

To summarize my thoughts, if you liked the first game don't let all the SJW-phobic stuff make you skip this one. You can just bite your bigot lips and push through those parts of the game. It is a super minor part of an overall excellent experience. It isn't really that important to the story line so Naughty Dog could have skipped it. But, they chose to make the story more inclusive. If that makes you mad maybe you should be looking for bigger problems in life to tackle anyway(IMO). The game is far from perfect though. The 10/10 reviews are exaggerations. Enemy AI is good but not that good. Once you start to learn their tricks it is easy to mow them down. Traversing the environment can be a little inconsistent. Sometimes you can jump a six foot fence. Sometimes a 3 foot one is insurmountable. They do sort of tease endings multiple times. I was invested enough that I really wanted to see how it ended. So, it may have even been a tad too long for me. Overall I'd give it a 9/10 for a very ambition story. 10/10 for building such amazing environments, and 9/10 for gameplay. So probably like a 9.4 overall.

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Old Jun 27, 2020, 01:21 AM   #215
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Damn man. Now I will try to finish it pronto.

Abby looks like a jacked up dude and also likes to take it up the ass lol. That scene was weird. I was like first they made me feel dirty by showing teenage lesbians, now I gotta watch dudes getting it on.

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That's plenty good enough for me. I'm grabbing it in a month or so, thanks for the short but thoughtful review.
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Damn man. Now I will try to finish it pronto.

Abby looks like a jacked up dude and also likes to take it up the ass lol. That scene was weird. I was like first they made me feel dirty by showing teenage lesbians, now I gotta watch dudes getting it on.
By the end I really liked that character. Her story is just as tragic as Ellie. Her anger drove her to be the perfect soldier. That’s how she buffed up. In the end she becomes very vulnerable. A big part of the story is how she goes from macho buff girl to a more sympathetic character. She is literally physically torn down by the end. You’ll see as you play. You are getting closer to what you think is a possible ending. But it is not. The game goes on much longer. I will only say that the story cannot end until both characters have fully resolved their anger.
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Not reading your spoiler yet.
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I will say one thing though. Screw the hospital.

Second time I visit and second time my heart is racing like a maniac. Maybe it is 0 light in my room and the 65 inch screen weighing on me. Maybe it is the sound that is set to extremely low and the only sounds I hear are thumps or clicker shrieks. Or maybe it is because I feel my air conditioning is acting up (even though it is working fine) and I am sweaty or just because even with full supplies I never quite feel comfortable taking on the darkness.

But **** the hospital levels. They drive me mad. This reminds me of the scares I had in the first game as well. No other game in history has done this to me. Like ever! Worst is my wife changes direction in her sleep just at the time that a stalker jumps at me. I am so tense that I have to pause the game lol.
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I will say one thing though. Screw the hospital.

Second time I visit and second time my heart is racing like a maniac. Maybe it is 0 light in my room and the 65 inch screen weighing on me. Maybe it is the sound that is set to extremely low and the only sounds I hear are thumps or clicker shrieks. Or maybe it is because I feel my air conditioning is acting up (even though it is working fine) and I am sweaty or just because even with full supplies I never quite feel comfortable taking on the darkness.

But **** the hospital levels. They drive me mad. This reminds me of the scares I had in the first game as well. No other game in history has done this to me. Like ever! Worst is my wife changes direction in her sleep just at the time that a stalker jumps at me. I am so tense that I have to pause the game lol.
I knew that was going to mess you up. The ER scenes were possibly the scariest in the game.
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Not reading your spoiler yet.
It wasn't too spoilerish. But I agree. Wait until you are done and see if you agree with it then.
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11hrs in and so far, this one is on equal footing with the first.
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Just finished it.

- Graphics - Hell of swan song graphically for the PS4
- Game-play - Was just an improved version of the last game so
- Story - Ouch. It's a harsh story, can't really say more than that without spoiling. But... FFS Ellie! That last part was like c'mon the **** on already
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Screw you gays. I need to finish this ASAP before someone spoils it for me. I am trying to dodge sniper bullets.
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Finished it. Amazing game. Could have done away with the lesbians crap to be honest. 9.5/10.
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Finished it. Amazing game. Could have done away with the lesbians crap to be honest. 9.5/10.
Awesome! Ghost of Tsushima is next for me.

I was tempted to play a little New Game+ until then. One cool feature they added to New Game+ is a custom difficulty setting. I am such a sloppy player I couldn't have survived on the higher difficulty because of the limited resources. In New Game+ you can set independent difficulty levels for the following settings:
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One of my complaints was with the AI. But that probably was due to my lower difficulty setting. It's tempting to play around a little with making stealth and enemies more difficult and keep the resources flowing. It may make for a fun experience.
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I already put it up for sale.
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Finished it. Amazing game. Could have done away with the lesbians crap to be honest. 9.5/10.
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Could have done away with the lesbians crap to be honest.
why? i'm all for things that trigger both sjws and anti-sjws.
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I thought it was needlessly forced. It could have been a story about friendship, or a story about love between male and female etc.
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Why would a story about a gay relationship be forced but a straight relationship wouldn't? I don't get the difference.
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The difference is entrenched in the beliefs of the player.
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I do understand what KAC is talking about though. Whatever the preference, gratuitous is gratuitous and usually pretty shallow, If it flows naturally within the story, then it's just overall story quality I'm concerned with.
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Yeah, but KAC explicitly mentioned "or a story about love between male and female" so to him the presence of the relationship in the story was not gratuitous, just the sexual orientation of the one's in said relationship.

Had he expressed that he felt any romantic relationship at all in the story would be forced, that would have been totally different and fit more with what you're saying.

Hey, whatever. I don't care about his beliefs he can feel whatever he wants as long as he's not trying to change anyone. But the fact is there's nothing more forced about gay relations in a story than straight, if that's what the characters are. One could just as well say the opposite of straight characters in a relationship.
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Yeah, but KAC explicitly mentioned "or a story about love between male and female" so to him the presence of the relationship in the story was not gratuitous, just the sexual orientation of the one's in said relationship.

Had he expressed that he felt any romantic relationship at all in the story would be forced, that would have been totally different and fit more with what you're saying.
KAC is only into gay men, apparently. Lesbians make him itchy.
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Yeah, but KAC explicitly mentioned "or a story about love between male and female" so to him the presence of the relationship in the story was not gratuitous, just the sexual orientation of the one's in said relationship.

Had he expressed that he felt any romantic relationship at all in the story would be forced, that would have been totally different and fit more with what you're saying.

Hey, whatever. I don't care about his beliefs he can feel whatever he wants as long as he's not trying to change anyone. But the fact is there's nothing more forced about gay relations in a story than straight, if that's what the characters are. One could just as well say the opposite of straight characters in a relationship.
It just isn't important enough to me to get heavily vested in a conversation about it lol. Just gave my opinion and that's all.

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I do understand what KAC is talking about though. Whatever the preference, gratuitous is gratuitous and usually pretty shallow, If it flows naturally within the story, then it's just overall story quality I'm concerned with.
So are you saying that the lesbian stuff in the game was gratuitous or not?
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Old Jul 2, 2020, 02:19 PM   #239
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It just isn't important enough to me to get heavily vested in a conversation about it lol. Just gave my opinion and that's all.

For anything else you'll have to talk KACkles into coming out of the closet
Its all good man. I don't blame you, these debates never go anywhere productive.
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Its all good man. I don't blame you, these debates never go anywhere productive.
I personally think it's going to be a great game for me - I'm not generally bothered by these things unless it's non stop and needless.

I'm looking forward to playing, especially now that it seems all that crap that "leaked" before really had nothing to it.
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