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Old Sep 24, 2017, 11:57 PM   #211
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First and second episodes were awesome. Can't wait to see the third episode.
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The intro is amazing. I'm impressed with the show so far.

Sonequa Martin is insanely beautiful.

Very high production value.
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First episode was awesome. Still not paying CBS twice for the show though. Broadcast it on cable or I acquire it.
really good to hear, I'm going to save for later...

did you watch both?

its getting slammed on imdb:
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really good to hear, I'm going to save for later...

did you watch both?

its getting slammed on imdb:
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I think the problem is people are not realizing that the first 2 episodes are basically a background story for the main character (played by Sonequa Martin-Green), and Episode 3 really begins Star Trek Discovery, and that is where we will probably get more character development for other characters as well. After watching episode 2 it made sense why they didn't spend time on character development for all the other characters but the main character and a little of a second one.
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really good to hear, I'm going to save for later...

did you watch both?

its getting slammed on imdb:
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doing better here

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/st...discovery/s01/

it is slow to start

will have to see if I wasted money on this but I think it will be good
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The first two episodes weren't too bad, although my expectations were low.

I'll probably watch the third because anything could happen.

Klingons look pretty stupid. My biggest issue atm is that the side cast is garbage. Yeoh good, Sasha decent, Saru alright. Everbody else is awful. That might change in the next few episodes. The first episodes felt rushed but I think they really wanted to get people into the show with a bang. Some of the camera work sucked. Some of the visuals were nice.
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Klingon's look stupid agreed, they don't even sound like they are speaking Klingon I guess due to all the makeup either. That girl on the bridge with the daft punk helmet was stupid as hell as well.

way over done light flares, I guess they liked that in the newer trek movies...

Bring back beam phasers!

really don't like the warp drive effects, reminds me of mass effect, very not star trek


Every fed single ship seems to be a Miranda variant..

Didn't care for the cloak effect either.


If it weren't for the Miranda ship designs, the names of races used, the Klingon language, the starfleet logos etc if all of that was changed, they could have called the Klingons anything they wanted and you could easily believe it was just some new sci-fi show and nothing to do with star trek.
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yeah this is pretty good, not classic Trek good but more on the vibe of BSG/SGU/The Expanse.
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Are there any signs of Mary Sue in this series so far?
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I'll wait until it's on Netflix. Oh, it already is except in the US.
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The first two episodes weren't too bad, although my expectations were low.

I'll probably watch the third because anything could happen.

Klingons look pretty stupid. My biggest issue atm is that the side cast is garbage. Yeoh good, Sasha decent, Saru alright. Everbody else is awful. That might change in the next few episodes. The first episodes felt rushed but I think they really wanted to get people into the show with a bang. Some of the camera work sucked. Some of the visuals were nice.
If you go back and look at the first season of every star trek series released, you will find that the cast, acting, etc all where horrible. As the seasons went on and they became comfortable with their rolls, and became a "acting family" it all came together and didn't seem forced and unrealistic. It all became more natural and better.


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As for the look of the Klingon's, you have to take into account the new look that was introduced in Star Trek - Into the Darkness. Star Trek - Discovery is more in line with what they introduced for the Klingon's in that movie. You also have to keep in mind that recent Star Trek trilogy has changed or created a completely new time line and events for Kirk, Spock, and the whole Star Trek universe because of the changes in the time line and events. So, all though Star Trek - Discovery does not have Kirk or Spock, it is still in the same time frame as their existent on the new time line. In a sense, because of those movies and the change to the time lines events, etc. , even the very changes to Kirk and Spock's friendship, made it so they can have a fresh start per say going forward. And this new serious might be doing that. You have to not compare the story to the old star treks because anything can happen, it is a new direction that has not been explored but created by the new time line and events.

It is also possible this is a period even before that time. Not sure if the planet Vulkan is gone in this serious because of it being blown to bits in the movie. I have not seen the second episode yet, maybe the answer is given there.

As for CBS and the "bait and switch" tactics of teasing us with the first episode and then requiring you to pay to see the others thru their streaming service is complete BS and unsettling. I hope this trend doesn't become the norm.
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If you go back and look at the first season of every star trek series released, you will find that the cast, acting, etc all where horrible. As the seasons went on and they became comfortable with their rolls, and became a "acting family" it all came together and didn't seem forced and unrealistic. It all became more natural and better.
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If you go back and look at the first season of every star trek series released, you will find that the cast, acting, etc all where horrible. As the seasons went on and they became comfortable with their rolls, and became a "acting family" it all came together and didn't seem forced and unrealistic. It all became more natural and better.


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As for the look of the Klingon's, you have to take into account the new look that was introduced in Star Trek - Into the Darkness. Star Trek - Discovery is more in line with what they introduced for the Klingon's in that movie. You also have to keep in mind that recent Star Trek trilogy has changed or created a completely new time line and events for Kirk, Spock, and the whole Star Trek universe because of the changes in the time line and events. So, all though Star Trek - Discovery does not have Kirk or Spock, it is still in the same time frame as their existent on the new time line. In a sense, because of those movies and the change to the time lines events, etc. , even the very changes to Kirk and Spock's friendship, made it so they can have a fresh start per say going forward. And this new serious might be doing that. You have to not compare the story to the old star treks because anything can happen, it is a new direction that has not been explored but created by the new time line and events.

It is also possible this is a period even before that time. Not sure if the planet Vulkan is gone in this serious because of it being blown to bits in the movie. I have not seen the second episode yet, maybe the answer is given there.

As for CBS and the "bait and switch" tactics of teasing us with the first episode and then requiring you to pay to see the others thru their streaming service is complete BS and unsettling. I hope this trend doesn't become the norm.
This series take place 10 years before Kirk becomes captain of the Enterprise, so 10 years before the events that changed the timeline. So the change with the Klingons is nothing more than an artistic change for this series and the movie reboots. Also they already confirmed it is a part of the same time line as TOS, Next Generation, Voyager, and Deep Space Nine

http://comicbook.com/startrek/2017/0...-discovery-in/

Also it is not bait and switch, it has been known since they first announced the series it would be a CBS all access exclusive for the USA with the first episode also airing on CBS station.
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As for the look of the Klingon's, you have to take into account the new look that was introduced in Star Trek - Into the Darkness. Star Trek - Discovery is more in line with what they introduced for the Klingon's in that movie. You also have to keep in mind that recent Star Trek trilogy has changed or created a completely new time line and events for Kirk, Spock, and the whole Star Trek universe because of the changes in the time line and events. So, all though Star Trek - Discovery does not have Kirk or Spock, it is still in the same time frame as their existent on the new time line. In a sense, because of those movies and the change to the time lines events, etc. , even the very changes to Kirk and Spock's friendship, made it so they can have a fresh start per say going forward. And this new serious might be doing that. You have to not compare the story to the old star treks because anything can happen, it is a new direction that has not been explored but created by the new time line and events.

It is also possible this is a period even before that time. Not sure if the planet Vulkan is gone in this serious because of it being blown to bits in the movie. I have not seen the second episode yet, maybe the answer is given there.

You're missing one key detail though; STD is in the Prime universe not the Kelvin. Prime is Original series, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT. Kelvin is the new Trek movies. Vulcan exists nice and fine in the Prime universe.

With that said, it doesn't make any sense for them to be in prime. I'm still glad the show is here though, we need Trek...any Trek at this point.
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Well, I have to say I like it. There are some things that irk me but overall I like the new direction. I never really got into the Star Trek series until last year and have seen DS9, Voyager, and Enterprise since then.

As for the klingons from previous seasons, one thing that really bothered me was their look and presentation. They really started becoming too comical and comedic relief. The shows always seemed to delve into the same jokes about Klingon romance, sex, and mannerisms and it became kind of tiresome. I think this new look and presentation fits better with the religious zealotry of Kahless-ism.

About the language, I have no problem with it either. As a phonetician and linguist, this sounds closer to what the established created language is supposed to sound like (at least from what I've looked at). The older series suffered from English approximation regarding pronunciation.
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I guess it's a series for the millennials, for us older fans.. no. Just no.
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I am an older fan and I still like this series so far.
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Major spoilers, if it could be spoiled

Watched with low expectations and it under cut them.
So much fail in the 20 minutes of show and 40 min of advertising.
Where did all this tech come from or where did it go before Kirk was in space?
And why does a person have agent Coulson's super hand? Hint humans can not use Vulcan nerve pinch because we are weak. It is not magic. Mutiny in the federation still means you get put to death or maybe they got more conservative in the Picard era? I could go on but why?
Glad some people liked it I guess I am putting to much stock in continuity.
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Watched with low expectations and it under cut them.
So much fail in the 20 minutes of show and 40 min of advertising.
Where did all this tech come from or where did it go before Kirk was in space?
And why does a person have agent Coulson's super hand? Hint humans can not use Vulcan nerve pinch because we are weak. It is not magic. Mutiny in the federation still means you get put to death or maybe they got more conservative in the Picard era? I could go on but why?
Glad some people liked it I guess I am putting to much stock in continuity.
Picard did the nerve pinch on another human before, it was the episode where some people were stealing stuff and Picard was the only member on the ship at the time.

Archer did the nerve pinch as well, he was able to know how to do it because of a mind meld that was done and he carried the memory of how to do it.

Also what tech are you thinking about that Kirk didn't have? Also are you comparing it to the Original Series? If so you really cannot do that, they were made in different era's where the real world technologies were vastly different and the imagination of what the future tech might look like is very different between now and back during the TOS. You really cannot use the TOS as a benchmark of tech for any prequel series made in the modern times.

About Mutiny, I honestly cannot think of any instance of Mutiny being rewarded with death in the federation. I only ever remember the death penalty ever being considered under extreme circumstances and even then they had big problems even considering it.
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It's decent, way better than the last crappy Star Trek tv show(Star Trek Enterprise).

Not a fan of all the lens flare and JJ Abrams\Mass Effect inspired visual style.
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I'm old and I like everything about it in the first 2 episodes minus the stupid Klingon speech. Sounds like a muffled mess and is kind of irritating to listen too. They should go back to the normal speak for Klingons and all would be good.
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This series take place 10 years before Kirk becomes captain of the Enterprise, so 10 years before the events that changed the timeline. So the change with the Klingons is nothing more than an artistic change for this series and the movie reboots. Also they already confirmed it is a part of the same time line as TOS, Next Generation, Voyager, and Deep Space Nine

http://comicbook.com/startrek/2017/0...-discovery-in/

Also it is not bait and switch, it has been known since they first announced the series it would be a CBS all access exclusive for the USA with the first episode also airing on CBS station.
Well, I guess I should have spent more time reading and not just watch trailers.
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Finished ep1-2, meh mostly forgettable. The Klingon's are all wrong, bad bad bad. Is the name Michael Burnham a nod to Michelle Obama?
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It was OK. Nice to see new Trek. Kind of a shame that they totally screwed up the Klingons though.

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From all the feedback, it seems they didn't recapture the magic of TNG, it appears this was unfortunately the Apex of the Star Trek franchise...
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