WOOO HOOO "ATI’s Radeon 9700 (R300) – Crowning the New King"

Wunderchu · Jul 18, 2002, 03:57 AM

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1656

barnaby · Jul 18, 2002, 03:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Wunderchu
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1656

where did you find that??

barnaby · Jul 18, 2002, 04:00 AM

nevermind.. had to refresh..

Wunderchu · Jul 18, 2002, 04:02 AM

this is how:

I clicked on the link that Hazmat gave, in this post:

http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthre...eadid=33627103

.... then I saw the link on the 'Related Articles' section on the left of the screen

mavis · Jul 18, 2002, 04:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Wunderchu
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1656

OOOMMMGGG!!!!

Are you looking at these graphs???? 38% faster than Ti4600, 54% faster, etc...

This f***ing ROCKS!!

mavis

edit* HOLY S**T!!!! 251% faster with 4x AA at 1600x1200 in UT 2003...

I can't believe it!!!!!!!!

BlzB · Jul 18, 2002, 04:07 AM

Just look at that 256bit mem flipchip over 110m trans WOW

If ihad anydoubts they are gone now ME WANT THAT

kegking · Jul 18, 2002, 04:08 AM

joy-gasam #2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good to be alive!

blade-be · Jul 18, 2002, 04:08 AM

this is what we have ALL been waiting for, the BIG ONE

too bad i just lost my job or i'd have this puppy under the hood in no time

SanGreal · Jul 18, 2002, 04:15 AM

kegking · Jul 18, 2002, 04:17 AM

$399!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?

thats like 2 8500 (maxx?

)

p0rnflake · Jul 18, 2002, 04:17 AM

My favorite part !!

Quote:

At 1600x1200 with 4X AA enabled, the Radeon 9700 is 251% faster than the GeForce4 Ti 4600

HOLY COW !!

Volcane · Jul 18, 2002, 05:04 AM

That is one powerful card, and looks like it has the features I wanted, that I didn't get on my R8500. Most notably useable FSAA

.

This card is going to be a must buy for me when it is released

.

I like the fact that it is going to be that red PCB, because that will go great with my motherboard

.

I hope it isn't to expensive in the UK, I am thinking that with it being $399 in the US, which is £255 in the UK, that it might be priced at about £299, and I should be able to manage that.

.

SurfMonkey · Jul 18, 2002, 05:12 AM

Well it almost guaranteed to be a dollar for dollar exchange rate. So it looks like it'll be £399, I've got an email from a friend at a company I used to work for that has confirmed this

But he also reckons that within a month or so, we should be able to get £30-£50 off the retail price.

Ha, and my contracts just been renewed so it looks like I'll have to pennies to spend

blade-be · Jul 18, 2002, 05:15 AM

dammit i want a new job
dammit i want a new job
dammit i want a new job

say, if i where to set up a paypal account, could ANY of you be suckered into sending me some money to buy this sweeeeeeeeeeet card ? I'm like really depressed and **** and a card like that could make me aaaaaaaallllllllllll better

eatyour1337ies · Jul 18, 2002, 05:17 AM

That card is beautiful *wipes tear from eye*

After recently getting an 8500 I'm gonna get one of these suckers in the .13u flavor for Doom3. /drool

DarkShell · Jul 18, 2002, 05:20 AM

Oooh baby. Yeah... Touch me... touch me there!

Hot damn

Well.... hopefully the AIW 9700 will be out before the end of the year and I put my faithful 8500 to rest... It's served me well, but it's time to move the Hell over

Sasquach · Jul 18, 2002, 05:21 AM

im waiting for the .13 version as well, since thats likely what the AIW version will come in at.

B=E=N=C=H · Jul 18, 2002, 05:32 AM

I want the $600 AIW version now! I hope it's not clocked lower.

admirallenny · Jul 18, 2002, 05:37 AM

www.tomshardware.com has an article

Wunderchu · Jul 18, 2002, 05:46 AM

yes, already posted that (here: http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthre...eadid=33627106 )

Retahita · Jul 18, 2002, 05:46 AM

WOW!!!!! Very impressive indeed!!!!

Real FSAA and fixed ansio with performance to spare in all areas!!!! Excellent!!!!

If the NV30 is better than this I'll be in video heaven.
Nvidia certainly has their work cut out for them to top this.

WOW!!!!!

That said my biggest concerns have not been addressed and this statement from the Anand article does little to alleviate them.

"So much for a Unified Driver Architecture
When ATI showed us the Radeon 8500, they promised that they would finally be moving to a Unified Driver Architecture (UDA) like NVIDIA. But after conversing with one of ATI’s software engineers, we have learned that the R300’s DirectX drivers are completely new.

For starters, they are not based off of the Radeon 8500’s DX drivers, which means that the move to a UDA back with the Radeon 8500 was never really made since the next-generation architecture cannot use the codebase from the previous generation UDA. The benefit of this is that a number of the DirectX problems ATI had in the past should now be fixed. That benefit is also a significant downside because anything that was fixed in the old drivers may now be broken in the new R300 drivers. ATI has told us that the R300’s DirectX drivers will be the basis for the next-generation UDA for future chips; all we can say to this is that for ATI’s sake, they had better be.

ATI’s drivers have always been their weakness and, unfortunately, it does not look like much has changed with the R300. On the positive side, we didn’t encounter any performance, compatibility or image quality issues with the current build of the R300 drivers during our time with it. The card and its drivers ran through our entire benchmark suite just fine; but it is obvious that a significant amount of time has been wasted by redesigning the R300 drivers and we hope that no issues crop up in other games, though it is hard to believe that they will not.

ATI has come too far with the R300 to let drivers hold it back this time, hopefully with their renewed dedication to software engineering, we will not see many, if any, issues with the R300’s drivers upon its release."

Please, please, PLEASE!!!!!!! ATI do not let drivers be the achilles heel for the R700. This hardware is just too awesome to let drivers hurt its impact.

Meanwhile I'll wait to see how many bug reports pop up when this thing starts shipping.

Looks like I will be buying a new video card this x-mas!!!!!

vertual · Jul 18, 2002, 05:49 AM

Radeon 8500 Transform Rate 69 million tris/sec
Radeon 9700 Transform Rate 324 million tris/sec

RoidRage · Jul 18, 2002, 07:15 AM

Please, please, PLEASE!!!!!!! ATI do not let drivers be the achilles heel for the R700. This hardware is just too awesome to let drivers hurt its impact.

R700, WOW ATI is way ahead in the development process. Here I am getting all excited about the R300 and the R700 is soooo close.

And yes it is a joke, I am not that dumb.....or am I??

_leech_ · Jul 18, 2002, 07:31 AM

Don't want to add fuel to any fire, but hasn't Anandtech (and Tom's) reviews been labeled as "biased", "unreliable" and "full of *****" countless times before?

And before i get labeled as anything, yes, i haven't stopped drooling yet

Termite · Jul 18, 2002, 07:34 AM

Oh man, my long lost dream has come true. I want one of these babies in my system right now!! I currently have a hard-on for this card

God_Devil_Morta · Jul 18, 2002, 07:36 AM

Anand's wasn't that bad, toms is still full of s**t, well what tom said was actually ok, what Lars said though.....that guys is really quite bias...

SilentSnipeR · Jul 18, 2002, 08:02 AM

I just bought a Radeon 8500 2 weeks ago. someone shoot me now

Anyway, I think this card will rock, thing i'm a bit afraid about. Does this mean we'll be seeing seperate drivers for 9000/9700, and seperate ones for 8500? Suppose we'll be getting less driver updates

Icarus · Jul 18, 2002, 08:04 AM

man!! I want one, NOW!! haha

T2k · Jul 18, 2002, 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SilentSnipeR
I just bought a Radeon 8500 2 weeks ago. someone shoot me now

Anyway, I think this card will rock, thing i'm a bit afraid about. Does this mean we'll be seeing seperate drivers for 9000/9700, and seperate ones for 8500? Suppose we'll be getting less driver updates

No, it's same package, only files are different.

hotzippers · Jul 18, 2002, 08:49 AM

Too bad they allow markup margins of more than 100%, at least here in Canada

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Wunderchu Rage3D Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Burnaby, B.C. Posts: 2,101	this is how: I clicked on the link that Hazmat gave, in this post: http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthre...eadid=33627103 .... then I saw the link on the 'Related Articles' section on the left of the screen __________________ Heatware May the light of the Lord shine upon your path. {my avatar GIF was created by Blizzard Entertainment®}

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BlzB Radeon HD 4830 Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 176	Just look at that 256bit mem flipchip over 110m trans WOW If ihad anydoubts they are gone now ME WANT THAT __________________ Athlonxp2100+(water cooled) Abit NF7 r1.2 / 2512MB UTT aiw9800se(softmodded) Audigy 3dmark2001se 17600 Last edited by BlzB : Jul 18, 2002 at 04:32 AM.*

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Jul 18, 2002, 04:17 AM	#10
kegking LOL MOD ABUSE Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Howling carnivorous stump monster planet Posts: 2,037	omfg $399!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!? thats like 2 8500 (maxx? ) __________________ \| Athlon 2400+ \| 1GB XMS DDR \| \|MSI K7N2 Delta \| Radeon 9700 PRO \| \| Nvidia Onboard sound \| WD 120GB SE \| \| Lite-on 24102B \| Pioneer DVD-115 \| ------------------------ 7/7/04 NEVAR FORGET Last edited by kegking : Jul 18, 2002 at 04:19 AM.

Jul 18, 2002, 05:04 AM	#12
Volcane Radeon HD 4890 Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Isle of Man, Great Britain Posts: 761	That is one powerful card, and looks like it has the features I wanted, that I didn't get on my R8500. Most notably useable FSAA. This card is going to be a must buy for me when it is released . I like the fact that it is going to be that red PCB, because that will go great with my motherboard. I hope it isn't to expensive in the UK, I am thinking that with it being $399 in the US, which is £255 in the UK, that it might be priced at about £299, and I should be able to manage that.. __________________ "Rely on two things, a crowbar and the speed of Radeon" My PC:- Asrock 939Dual-Sata2 A64 3000+@2500Mhz 1GB PC3200 DDR-RAM 200GB SATA Maxtor HDD 320MB Inno3d 8800GTS 19" Samsung 913N TFT EZ Cool G5 style case

Jul 18, 2002, 05:12 AM	#13
SurfMonkey Radeon HD 4870 Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Flipside of paradise... Posts: 483	Well it almost guaranteed to be a dollar for dollar exchange rate. So it looks like it'll be £399, I've got an email from a friend at a company I used to work for that has confirmed this But he also reckons that within a month or so, we should be able to get £30-£50 off the retail price. Ha, and my contracts just been renewed so it looks like I'll have to pennies to spend __________________ *We are a virus with shoes*

Jul 18, 2002, 05:15 AM	#14
blade-be Radeon HD 4600 Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: leuven, belgium Posts: 84	dammit i want a new job dammit i want a new job dammit i want a new job say, if i where to set up a paypal account, could ANY of you be suckered into sending me some money to buy this sweeeeeeeeeeet card ? I'm like really depressed and **** and a card like that could make me aaaaaaaallllllllllll better __________________ Athlon XP 2000+@1807mhz 256 meg DDR (kingmax, max settings) Radeon 8500 (295-295) http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=3274049

Jul 18, 2002, 05:17 AM	#15
eatyour1337ies Rage's Hardon Collider Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Pouring Glug into UDHATown Posts: 1,306	That card is beautiful wipes tear from eye After recently getting an 8500 I'm gonna get one of these suckers in the .13u flavor for Doom3. /drool __________________ yan yan > snu snu

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Jul 18, 2002, 05:20 AM	#16
DarkShell Radeon HD 4600 Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Melbourne, AU Posts: 74	Oooh baby. Yeah... Touch me... touch me there! Hot damn Well.... hopefully the AIW 9700 will be out before the end of the year and I put my faithful 8500 to rest... It's served me well, but it's time to move the Hell over __________________ AthlonXP 2600+ @ 185FSB 64MB Triplex Ti4200 @ 320/640, 3.3ns RAM MSI KT3 Ultra2 1 x 512MB Corsair XMS3000 Enermax 431w PSU 2 x WD800JB 80GB HDD - RAID 0 Philips Acoustic Edge

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Jul 18, 2002, 05:32 AM	#18
B=E=N=C=H Radeon HD 4850 Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 254	I want the $600 AIW version now! I hope it's not clocked lower.

Jul 18, 2002, 05:37 AM	#19
admirallenny Newbie Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 7	www.tomshardware.com has an article __________________ --------------------------------- AdmiralLenny

Jul 18, 2002, 05:46 AM	#20
Wunderchu Rage3D Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Burnaby, B.C. Posts: 2,101	yes, already posted that (here: http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthre...eadid=33627106 ) __________________ Heatware May the light of the Lord shine upon your path. {my avatar GIF was created by Blizzard Entertainment®}

Jul 18, 2002, 05:46 AM	#21
Retahita Radeon HD 4600 Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 67	WOW!!!!! Very impressive indeed!!!! Real FSAA and fixed ansio with performance to spare in all areas!!!! Excellent!!!! If the NV30 is better than this I'll be in video heaven. Nvidia certainly has their work cut out for them to top this. WOW!!!!! That said my biggest concerns have not been addressed and this statement from the Anand article does little to alleviate them. "So much for a Unified Driver Architecture When ATI showed us the Radeon 8500, they promised that they would finally be moving to a Unified Driver Architecture (UDA) like NVIDIA. But after conversing with one of ATI’s software engineers, we have learned that the R300’s DirectX drivers are completely new. For starters, they are not based off of the Radeon 8500’s DX drivers, which means that the move to a UDA back with the Radeon 8500 was never really made since the next-generation architecture cannot use the codebase from the previous generation UDA. The benefit of this is that a number of the DirectX problems ATI had in the past should now be fixed. That benefit is also a significant downside because anything that was fixed in the old drivers may now be broken in the new R300 drivers. ATI has told us that the R300’s DirectX drivers will be the basis for the next-generation UDA for future chips; all we can say to this is that for ATI’s sake, they had better be. ATI’s drivers have always been their weakness and, unfortunately, it does not look like much has changed with the R300. On the positive side, we didn’t encounter any performance, compatibility or image quality issues with the current build of the R300 drivers during our time with it. The card and its drivers ran through our entire benchmark suite just fine; but it is obvious that a significant amount of time has been wasted by redesigning the R300 drivers and we hope that no issues crop up in other games, though it is hard to believe that they will not. ATI has come too far with the R300 to let drivers hold it back this time, hopefully with their renewed dedication to software engineering, we will not see many, if any, issues with the R300’s drivers upon its release." Please, please, PLEASE!!!!!!! ATI do not let drivers be the achilles heel for the R700. This hardware is just too awesome to let drivers hurt its impact. Meanwhile I'll wait to see how many bug reports pop up when this thing starts shipping. Looks like I will be buying a new video card this x-mas!!!!!

Jul 18, 2002, 05:49 AM	#22
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Jul 18, 2002, 07:15 AM	#23
RoidRage Radeon HD 4600 Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 90	Please, please, PLEASE!!!!!!! ATI do not let drivers be the achilles heel for the R700. This hardware is just too awesome to let drivers hurt its impact. R700, WOW ATI is way ahead in the development process. Here I am getting all excited about the R300 and the R700 is soooo close. And yes it is a joke, I am not that dumb.....or am I??

Jul 18, 2002, 07:31 AM	#24
_leech_ Banned Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Lost in time... Posts: 16,907	Don't want to add fuel to any fire, but hasn't Anandtech (and Tom's) reviews been labeled as "biased", "unreliable" and "full of ****" countless times before? And before i get labeled as anything, yes, i haven't stopped drooling yet Last edited by _leech_ : Jul 18, 2002 at 07:35 AM.*

Jul 18, 2002, 07:34 AM	#25
Termite Radeon HD 4850 Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: WOULDN'T YOU LIKE TO KNOW?!? Posts: 344	Oh man, my long lost dream has come true. I want one of these babies in my system right now!! I currently have a hard-on for this card

Jul 18, 2002, 07:36 AM	#26
God_Devil_Morta Radeon HD 4870 Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vancouver Posts: 372	Anand's wasn't that bad, toms is still full of s**t, well what tom said was actually ok, what Lars said though.....that guys is really quite bias... __________________ MEH

Jul 18, 2002, 08:02 AM	#27
SilentSnipeR Radeon HD 4870 X2 Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Melbourne, Australia :) Posts: 623	I just bought a Radeon 8500 2 weeks ago. someone shoot me now Anyway, I think this card will rock, thing i'm a bit afraid about. Does this mean we'll be seeing seperate drivers for 9000/9700, and seperate ones for 8500? Suppose we'll be getting less driver updates

Jul 18, 2002, 08:04 AM	#28
Icarus The Cheat Join Date: May 2002 Location: USA Posts: 1,568	man!! I want one, NOW!! haha __________________ Tired of Google? Try this nifty new search engine instead.

Jul 18, 2002, 08:49 AM	#30
hotzippers Radeon HD 4830 Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Richmond Hill, Ontario Posts: 162	Too bad they allow markup margins of more than 100%, at least here in Canada

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