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Old Sep 14, 2017, 09:55 AM   #121
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Wireless charging is awesome. Just make certain you don't go "too" cheap, and get fast charge capable ones. Makes a huge difference.

Also, I love how apple is using OLED, but not making use of it for Always On Display. I was really curious to see what apple would do with it, and maybe even push always on a bit further. But nope, saving that for next year.
I'm thinking maybe they don't develop that yet so they can bring it online next year when all the phones they release have an OLED screen. Seems half-baked, but Apple is the company that doesn't like having too many variants of their OS...
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Is there a significant battery hit to the always on thing? Im not too familiar with the tech. If so thats probably why they dont use it.
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Is there a significant battery hit to the always on thing? Im not too familiar with the tech. If so thats probably why they dont use it.
Not really, it basically just lights up the pixels it needs, nothing else.
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Old Sep 14, 2017, 10:15 AM   #124
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Not really, it basically just lights up the pixels it needs, nothing else.
I guess you probably hit the nail on the head with differentiating iOS too much. I think Apple likes to add new hardware things to their new phones but iOS must stay one cohesive thing from phone to phone. They will probably do something with it if ever when all phones in their current lineup can do it.
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Poor Samsung and Qualcomm. They just can't hang with Apple's chips.

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Whoa! Why is Apple's chips so much ahead? Does Apple's have a higher R&D budget than Qualcomm and Samsung?
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Whoa! Why is Apple's chips so much ahead? Does Apple's have a higher R&D budget than Qualcomm and Samsung?
Apple seems to have acquired all the best engineers. Even when they leave, they go to Tesla and Intel. That's what I've been seeing anyway.

Qualcomm too busy collecting free money to invest in their chips since they have patents on lock.

Apple single core performance is crazy.
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Here are the newly-revealed iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus battery sizes:

iPhone 8: 1821 mAh
iPhone 7: 1960 mAh
iPhone 6s: 1715 mAh
iPhone 6: 1810 mAh

iPhone 8 Plus: 2675 mAh
iPhone 7 Plus: 2900 mAh
iPhone 6s Plus: 2750 mAh
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Looks like they tested it alot on Asians.

Any of them could have unlocked each other's the phone if not.
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Here are the newly-revealed iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus battery sizes:

iPhone 8: 1821 mAh
iPhone 7: 1960 mAh
iPhone 6s: 1715 mAh
iPhone 6: 1810 mAh

iPhone 8 Plus: 2675 mAh
iPhone 7 Plus: 2900 mAh
iPhone 6s Plus: 2750 mAh
iPhone 6 Plus: 2915 mAh
Their scores, and their battery life, speak to one incredibly optimized OS.
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Wireless charging is awesome. Just make certain you don't go "too" cheap, and get fast charge capable ones. Makes a huge difference.

Also, I love how apple is using OLED, but not making use of it for Always On Display. I was really curious to see what apple would do with it, and maybe even push always on a bit further. But nope, saving that for next year.
I have to admit, I still don't know what the big deal is about wireless charging.

You still have to put it in a certain place, connected by wire, to charge the phone. I really don't see the difference. At least with good old-fashioned wire, I can have the charging happen in all types of strange positions.
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Seriously.

I hate it when my phone won't charge in ye old snow angel position...

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https://all3dp.com/iphone-x-mean-3d-scanning/

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Poor Samsung and Qualcomm. They just can't hang with Apple's chips.
It's going to be a fast phone but IOS is so simplistic that it doesn't even matter. I've been using a 7 plus as a daily for the past year. Honestly, can't tell the difference between the 6s plus I went from to that in usage. Having gone back to a note 8 for my main phone I know it's single core is crap compared to the 7 plus but I can't actually tell the difference and the note 8 is running a lot more crap. I don't know if that dreaded samsung lag will come after a few months as I have noticed that in the past and a reset fixed it. The processor in iphones is fast enough but it doesn't mean anything when that processing power just equals 1 sec faster loading games. Software that doesn't take advantage of hardware is pointless.
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Plenty of games take advantage of it.
Unless your loading a heavy intensive game constantly, it doesn't really matter. I will be interested in seeing the speed lap runs when the X comes out. I have a feeling it will be pretty dead even with the note or loose. Reason I say this is the iphone at 3gb of ram reloads apps quite often. So far on the note 8 I've noticed it wont reload untill after 25 or so apps. That's not possible on the s8 or any other android phone I've used to date aside from the one plus 5 or whatever it's called. The 6gb is coming in really handy.
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Unless your loading a heavy intensive game constantly, it doesn't really matter. I will be interested in seeing the speed lap runs when the X comes out. I have a feeling it will be pretty dead even with the note or loose. Reason I say this is the iphone at 3gb of ram reloads apps quite often. So far on the note 8 I've noticed it wont reload untill after 25 or so apps. That's not possible on the s8 or any other android phone I've used to date aside from the one plus 5 or whatever it's called. The 6gb is coming in really handy.
The iP7+ did lose a speed lap/loading test to a recent android(cant remember which one) but it took a whole year and the next generation of Android phones to beat it. No doubt it will take the crown again and with the new cpu it will probably be until next iPhone before it is beaten again. iP8+ should be out this week and we will see how it fairs since it has basically the same specs as the iPX.
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The iP7+ did lose a speed lap/loading test to a recent android(cant remember which one) but it took a whole year and the next generation of Android phones to beat it. No doubt it will take the crown again and with the new cpu it will probably be until next iPhone before it is beaten again. iP8+ should be out this week and we will see how it fairs since it has basically the same specs as the iPX.
It didn't loose because it was slower, it lost because it was busy reloading apps since apple refuses to go past 3gb of ram. The x is no different it still has 3gb of ram. Reloading apps faster isn't going to change that run by much which is what my point was.

We've come to a point that unless you like rendering videos on your phone or your phone is your personal gaming machine that these processor speeds increases have become a bit unnecessary. None of these heavy intensive tasks are imo what a phone is for. For web browsing, instagraming, tweeting, youtube etc what most people use their phones for the difference is close to none as long as software is running well. I am all for a faster iphone, however they need to add features to ios on iphones to take advantage of that untapped processing power that isn't just games. Having used the i7 plus as my daily main phone for a year since the note 7 fiasco I can summarize it as: the phone works 95% of the time as it should. Aside from some minor rare hickups it just works. Now, if I can have a phone that does more than just works on the basics and doesn't have weird issues then it's a better phone. For people who just want a phone to do basic things with then yeah an iphone just works but if that's the case you don't need to be spending 1k on a phone either.
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It didn't loose because it was slower, it lost because it was busy reloading apps since apple refuses to go past 3gb of ram. The x is no different it still has 3gb of ram. Reloading apps faster isn't going to change that run by much which is what my point was.
Also finding the 6GB on my Note8 to be extremely useful.
I haven't encountered a single hiccup yet, and every form of interaction with the phone has been ridiculously fluid thus far.

I actually received a notification from the device 2 days ago that it has been a week since I last rebooted, but couldn't have cared less -- the feeling of smoothness and fluidity has thus far exceeded any device I've used to date, iOS, Android, Windows, or otherwise.
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It didn't loose because it was slower, it lost because it was busy reloading apps since apple refuses to go past 3gb of ram. The x is no different it still has 3gb of ram. Reloading apps faster isn't going to change that run by much which is what my point was.

We've come to a point that unless you like rendering videos on your phone or your phone is your personal gaming machine that these processor speeds increases have become a bit unnecessary. None of these heavy intensive tasks are imo what a phone is for. For web browsing, instagraming, tweeting, youtube etc what most people use their phones for the difference is close to none as long as software is running well. I am all for a faster iphone, however they need to add features to ios on iphones to take advantage of that untapped processing power that isn't just games. Having used the i7 plus as my daily main phone for a year since the note 7 fiasco I can summarize it as: the phone works 95% of the time as it should. Aside from some minor rare hickups it just works. Now, if I can have a phone that does more than just works on the basics and doesn't have weird issues then it's a better phone. For people who just want a phone to do basic things with then yeah an iphone just works but if that's the case you don't need to be spending 1k on a phone either.
Depends on which speed test youre talking about. The one I watched the iPhone lost not because it had to reload apps but because its animations are like 2-3 slower than android animations on the particular phone it lost to(I really have to remember what video it was) The iPhone would feel a ton faster if its animations were sped up but apple refuses to do that. Back in the day when I was jailbreaking the first tweak added was always the one to speed up animations.

Apple hasnt need to move to more ram yet because iOS is so damn optimized. They only move when they absolutely need to... they hold off as long as people for that profit margin. If Apple did have a 6gb ram phone it would probably completely trash any android phone even more than it does now.

Another thing to take note is that 32bit apps will not be supported with iOS 11 so its going to be a 64bit environment which will give it a little bit more of a speed bump as well.

As far as using the power of a new processor.. thats true of any phone. Samsungs Note 8 has what 8 cores? What on their phone is making use of an octacore? Legit question. Any app that is on an android phone is bound to be on the App store and most likely vice versa(minus exclusive stuff like imovie) What has any company added that would make use of these more powerful processors in phones?

Its all part of the pissing contest that sells phones. Tag lines like "the most powerful phone" or "the most of X" sell phones.
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Depends on which speed test youre talking about. The one I watched the iPhone lost not because it had to reload apps but because its animations are like 2-3 slower than android animations on the particular phone it lost to(I really have to remember what video it was) The iPhone would feel a ton faster if its animations were sped up but apple refuses to do that. Back in the day when I was jailbreaking the first tweak added was always the one to speed up animations.

Apple hasnt need to move to more ram yet because iOS is so damn optimized. They only move when they absolutely need to... they hold off as long as people for that profit margin. If Apple did have a 6gb ram phone it would probably completely trash any android phone even more than it does now.

Another thing to take note is that 32bit apps will not be supported with iOS 11 so its going to be a 64bit environment which will give it a little bit more of a speed bump as well.

As far as using the power of a new processor.. thats true of any phone. Samsungs Note 8 has what 8 cores? What on their phone is making use of an octacore? Legit question. Any app that is on an android phone is bound to be on the App store and most likely vice versa(minus exclusive stuff like imovie) What has any company added that would make use of these more powerful processors in phones?

Its all part of the pissing contest that sells phones. Tag lines like "the most powerful phone" or "the most of X" sell phones.
I disagree on the ram part for iphones. 3gb is not enough. I get reloading quite often when switching around. Usually this isn't a big deal, what bothers me is sometimes I have no easy way of moving information from one app to another so I use app switcher to see the info I need to move to the other app (apple get the dual apps on THE PHONES ALREADY) and I find the app has already reloaded and just see the APP icon. That is my biggest gripe about the iphone.
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I disagree on the ram part for iphones. 3gb is not enough. I get reloading quite often when switching around. Usually this isn't a big deal, what bothers me is sometimes I have no easy way of moving information from one app to another so I use app switcher to see the info I need to move to the other app (apple get the dual apps on THE PHONES ALREADY) and I find the app has already reloaded and just see the APP icon. That is my biggest gripe about the iphone.
I'm not sure if that's really ram related or excessive power management. I have that happen on really lightweight apps too, things that definitely don't take up a lot of ram.
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Seriously.

I hate it when my phone won't charge in ye old snow angel position...

I'm serious. A simple plug and cable is much more convenient and saves a ton of space since you don't have to make room for the Qi charger.
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I'm serious. A simple plug and cable is much more convenient and saves a ton of space since you don't have to make room for the Qi charger.
I'm with you man. It seems silly, an expensive, unnecessary "convenience."
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I'm with you man. It seems silly, an expensive, unnecessary "convenience."
Ya, it's one less thing to carry. I can charge my phone anywhere with a simple cable.

But I guess the point of a Qi charger is to have it home on your nightstand, not carrying it around. I suppose having on of those chargers built into your car would be a benefit though.
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I never bothered with any performance benchmark. All flagship smartphones circa 2014 above were fast enough to run any apps without any problems. I mean, you won't encode videos while playing games on phones isn't it? My old Snapdragon 801 runs everything fine, emulators and whatnot.
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It's impressive how much computation power Apple cram in the phone but it just that, a phone. Does it change the way you use it? When will the AR stuff take off?
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I never bothered with any performance benchmark. All flagship smartphones circa 2014 above were fast enough to run any apps without any problems. I mean, you won't encode videos while playing games on phones isn't it? My old Snapdragon 801 runs everything fine, emulators and whatnot.
well it depends what you use it for

Its like saying whats the point with a 1080ti when I can surf the web with a igpu
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Since you guys are smarter than me at this, how fast can these chips get before they run so hot it's not feasible anymore?

I don't think I'm asking the question right, but it's obvious it can't be cooled with a fan, so there has to be a point that increases speed is no longer a benefit.
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