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Old Sep 14, 2004, 07:05 PM   #1
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ATI Technologies Force the Catalyst drivers to work on a FireGL

This is the simplest way to correctly install the Catalyst drivers on a FireGL X1-128 in Windows XP. For those with other FireGL models, merely amending the sections relating the cards DeviceID to your own models should also result in a success.

Code:
ATI FireGL Model		DeviceID	VendorID	SubSystemID

ATI FireGL V3100		0x5B64		1002
ATI FireGL V3200		0x3E54		1002
ATI FireGL V5100		0x5551		1002
ATI FireGL V7100                0x5550          1002
ATI FireGL X1-128		0x4E47		1002		0172
ATI FireGL X1-256		0x4E47		1002		0152
ATI FireGL X2-256/X2-256t	0x4E4B		1002		0152
ATI FireGL X3-256		0x4A4D		1002		
ATI FireGL Z1			0x4147		1002		0172
ATI FireGL T2  			0x4154		1002
For Windows 2000 users, alter the [WIN2K] headers instead of the [WINXP] sections and alter file "C2_17633.INI" instead of "CX_17633.INI" as shown in this guide. (Guide based on 4.9 Official Catalyst driver download, large package.)

Software to download

The latest Catalyst drivers from here.

RivaTuner from here.

RadLinker from here.

Getting Started

Double click the downloaded Catalyst package, wxp-w2k-catalyst-8-051-040825a-017633c.exe. You will get an error "Setup was unable to find components that can be installed ...". Click OK, which will cancel it.

Now browse to where the extracted files are located, which would be C:\ATI\SUPPORT\wxp-w2k-catalyst-8-051-040825a-017633C.

There are four things that need to be changed in order to make any Catalyst driver work with a FireGL X1-128.

Step One

With RivaTuner installed, double click "SoftR9x00 w2k.rts" located in C:\Program Files\RivaTuner\PatchScripts\ATI\SoftR9x00. The default is to force 9700 capabilites, which is fine as a FireGL X1-128 to all intent and purposes is a 9700 Pro.

For a FireGL X2-256, select to force 9800 capabilities

Click "Continue". Change the filetype to "ati2mtag.sy_" and browse to
C:\ATI\SUPPORT\wxp-w2k-catalyst-8-051-040825a-017633C\Driver\2KXP_INF\B_17656 and select "ati2mtag.sy_".
Another prompt will appear stating "This file is not certified to use with this patch script..", ignore it and click "Yes". It will then state "Patch script has been successfully executed". Click "Close".

Step Two

Browse to C:\ATI\SUPPORT\wxp-w2k-catalyst-8-051-040825a-017633C\Driver and edit file "CX_17633.INI".
Delete everything under the [WINXP] heading to just read the following:
Quote:
[WINXP]
Label=R6
R6=DriverPath_R6,0x4E47:0x01721002
DriverPath_R6=\2KXP_INF,CX_17633.INF

Looking at the table at top of page, we can see that "R6=DriverPath_R6,0x4E47:0x01721002" is based apon:
(0x4E47 is the DeviceID and 0x0172 the SubsystemID + 1002 the SubsytemVendorID)

Example: For a FireGL X2-256, change the DeviceID to read: R6=DriverPath_R6,0x4E4B:0x01521002
Save and exit.

Step Three

Still in C:\ATI\SUPPORT\wxp-w2k-catalyst-8-051-040825a-017633C\Driver, edit file "INSTALL.INI". Repeat the process of replacing everything under [WINXP] to:

Quote:
[WINXP]
Label=R6
R6=DriverPath_R6,0x4E47:0x01721002
DriverPath_R6=\2KXP_INF,CX_17633.INF

Example: Again, for a FireGL X2-256, we would change the DeviceID to read: R6=DriverPath_R6,0x4E4B:0x01521002
Save and exit.

Step Four

Lastly, browse to folder C:\ATI\SUPPORT\wxp-w2k-catalyst-8-051-040825a-017633C\Driver\2KXP_INF and edit file "CX_17633.inf".

Locate the following section:
Quote:
"RADEON 9700 PRO" = ati2mtag_R300, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4E44&SUBSYS_00021002
"RADEON 9700 PRO - Secondary" = ati2mtag_R300, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4E64&SUBSYS_00031002
and alter it to read:

Quote:
"RADEON 9700 PRO" = ati2mtag_R300, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4E47&SUBSYS_01721002
"RADEON 9700 PRO - Secondary" = ati2mtag_R300, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4E67&SUBSYS_01731002
Example for FireGL X2-256:

Locate the following section:

"RADEON 9800 PRO" = ati2mtag_R350, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4E48&SUBSYS_00021002
"RADEON 9800 PRO - Secondary" = ati2mtag_R350, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4E68&SUBSYS_00031002

and alter it to read:

"RADEON 9800 PRO" = ati2mtag_R350, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4E4B&SUBSYS_01521002
"RADEON 9800 PRO - Secondary" = ati2mtag_R350, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4E6B&SUBSYS_01531002



Save and exit.

Final Stage

Remove any currently installed drivers and reboot. Cancel any attempts by Windows to install a driver and browse into folder C:\ATI\SUPPORT\wxp-w2k-catalyst-8-051-040825a-017633C\Driver and run "setup.exe".

You will have no errors when installing, and effectively your FireGL X1-128 will be identified as a 9700 Pro. Complete the installation, but opt not to reboot just yet.

Next, browse to C:\ATI\SUPPORT\wxp-w2k-catalyst-8-051-040825a-017633C\CPanel and run "setup.exe" to install the Catalyst control panel.

Choose to reboot and start to enjoy the bugfixes/games performance improvements that the Catalyst drivers offer over the native FireGL's.
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Old Sep 15, 2004, 04:50 AM   #2
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Thanks for the guide Shloppy
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Old Sep 24, 2004, 02:26 AM   #3
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I got a problem. You can call me stupid , but I'm unable to figure out what to change with whatelse in case someone uses a Fire Gl 8800.

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Old Sep 24, 2004, 03:50 AM   #4
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A FireGL 8800 is, as far as I'm aware, a Radeon 8500 GPU. If that 's the case and with the knowledge that a FireGL 8800 ID's are:

DeviceID: 5148
VendorID: 1002
Subsystem ID:0152
Subsystem Vendor ID:1002

As you use Windows 2000, in files C2_17633.INI and INSTALL.INI, you would amend them to read:

[WIN2K]
Label=R6
R6=DriverPath_R6,0x5148:0x01521002
DriverPath_R6=\2KXP_INF,C2_17633.INF

As the Firegl 8800 has DeviceID 0x5148 whilst a Radeon 8500 DeviceID is 0x514C, we need to swap them.

Open up C2_17633.inf and edit it :

Replace:

"RADEON 8500 SERIES" = ati2mtag_R200, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_514C&SUBSYS_013A1002
"RADEON 8500 SERIES " = ati2mtag_R200, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_514C&SUBSYS_003A1002

With:

"RADEON 8500 SERIES" = ati2mtag_R200, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5148&SUBSYS_01521002
"RADEON 8500 SERIES " = ati2mtag_R200, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5148&SUBSYS_01531002

As I mentioned to you via PM, Direct3D will work fine but OpenGL will be broken. The reason being that Rivatuner's patch script doesn't support a pre-9500 graphics card. Only 9500, 9700 and 9800's are supported. Remember we had this conversation a while back concerning the patch bytes for the patchscript?

As a last resort, have you attempted to use the Omega drivers, or taken the pre-modded ati2mtag.sys from there?
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Old Sep 24, 2004, 06:40 AM   #5
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Shloppy I have never received any PM from you unfortunately.

So you are telling me that rather than mod the ati2mtag.sys from the Catalyst with RivaTuner, it would be better to use directly the one contained in the Omega?

Or it would be better modding this one with RivaTuner ?

Just for your information, I use OpenGl for gaming like CounterStrike.
Would this...broken OpenGl affects me a lot?

Thanks again Shloppy... still I'd like to meet in Glasgow for a beer !!!
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Old Sep 25, 2004, 04:59 PM   #6
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Sorry about that, I guess that PM got lost in the Royal Mail's postbags

There is no harm in trying Omega's or attempting a mod of ati2mtag.sys yourself using Rivatuner. But I doubt the latter would work as you attempted it in the past and it failed.

All things considered, your probably best to use the 8.043.1.1 FireGL drivers for now.
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how to convert radeon 9800 pro > fireGL
(driver version is : ATI CATALYST 4.10 )
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So how are you supposed to get a Z1 to work? (256-Bit bus, 4x1 configuration) The only option in SoftRad seems to be forcing 8x1 as a Radeon 9500 Pro, which is unstable here.

(I sent a detailed PM to you Shloppy)
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In reply to forum/PM points Zenith251:

The "Video not found" error is due to an incorrect setting in an .inf file. It cannot match the hardware ID of the card to any of the ID's listed in the .inf file(s).

Based on the previous RivaTuner build, I can't see patching "ati2mtag.sy_" to a 9500 would pose any problems. You could also try to force it as a 9700 and modify the subsequent .inf sections to unlock it to 8p. If you know what your doing, then:

Fire GL Z1 AGP Pro (128 MB)

ATI Fire GL Z1 Pro SECONDARY Video Accelerator=FGLRY,PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4E67&SUBSYS_010B1002
ATI Fire GL Z1 Pro Video Accelerator=FGLRY,PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4E47&SUBSYS_010a1002

Has all the info you'd need.


But back to the original query.

With Catalyst 4.9 as an example, you should modify CX_17633.INI and INSTALL.INI to read:

[WINXP]
Label=R6
R6=DriverPath_R6,0x4147:0x01721002

For a FireGL Pro Z1 you would amend the 9500 PRO / 9700 section and edit "CX_17633.inf" to replace:

"RADEON 9500 PRO / 9700" = ati2mtag_R300, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4E45&SUBSYS_00021002
"RADEON 9500 PRO / 9700 - Secondary" = ati2mtag_R300, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4E65&SUBSYS_00031002

With

"RADEON 9500 PRO / 9700" = ati2mtag_R300, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4147&SUBSYS_01721002
"RADEON 9500 PRO / 9700 - Secondary" = ati2mtag_R300, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4167&SUBSYS_01731002


If all else fails and you still can't modify the Catalyst drivers yourself, I'd suggest you grab the pre-modded 4.6/7 beta drivers from here.

These have native support for FireGL's and require no modification. From past experience, using modded Catalyst's results in the Dual DVI-I connectors of the FireGL line to no longer work correctly. Native FireGL drivers are the only solution as far as I'm aware.

You mentioned that your also experiencing corruption in movies when using the native FireGL drivers. Care to eloborate or post some screens?
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Ah! But you see good sir!

Thank you very much for such as hasty but detailed reply, I expected no such courtesy.

From my understanding, a FireGL Z1 is a 4x1 card (Radeon 9500 basd, not 9500 Pro/9700 Pro), so how would that affect this whole situation? Change the 9500 stock line instead of 9500 pro/ 9700? EDIT: What I mean to say is, the only difference between a X1 and a Z1 is the 4 extra pipes disabled, everything else is the same (At the base X1), including the clock speeds. So...I think you see where I'm going with this :EDIT

As for the video, WMP came back with overlay errors, and Media Player Classic, when expanded to full screen or even anything larger than the default video resolution, comes back much like a game running at 320x240. Broken edges, weird shite, basically. So limited are the drivers for FireGL's, also, I was amazed.

As for your reply, I shall retry what you proposed right away, hoping to find the error of my previous ways.

Final Edit: I've tried everything you've mentioned above, including slapping the device ID's onto the 9500 instead of 9500 Pro/9700 (Accordingly, of course) and am returned the same error. I swear to you, I've followed your guide to the letter, and yes, added the DriverPath_R6=\2KXP_INF,CX_17633.INF bellow each INI setting under WinXP.

I am stumped, and I've previously tried those beta 4.7's only to be given a most buggy experience. I refuse to surrender to ATi's driver games

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*Sigh*

Well I got some results from using self-modded drivers, but only by manually getting windows to look at the INF (Not the usual Update driver -> Point to directory, that didn't work either!). I had to tell it I had the disk, point to the INF.

1. Problem. It refuses to have a control panel of any sort. It's just...Not there, the tabs stop at windows stock "Color Management". I already installed the CPanel, but that just gives me the taskbar icon with the usual links and resolution control. I installed Radlinker next, but when I hit that tab, the whole thing just crashes with a Run.dll (Of all things!) error. It runs games fine, including HL2 and such...but I got no way to change global settings.
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The fact that the card doesn't run well even with the correct FireGL drivers doesn't bode well.

A Z1/X1/X2 and so on should all work perfectly well with any movie playback or intense gamesplaying using just the native FireGL drivers.

Perhaps you could paste the info shown when you run RivaTuners Graphics subsystem diagnostic report?

I'm loath to suggest it, but perhaps there is something else causing your system to exhibit these problems? Sometimes solutions are best solved with a format
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Here we go.

Here's the rivatuner shot you request, completely original. I have DNA drivers installed because they're supposedly suppost to have updates for the FireGL's, and they act the same as the certified ATI ones did anyway. (Plus I get a cute HL2 themed taskbar )
http://www.nu11.org/gallery/zenith/FireGL?full=1

The card itself, two shots.
http://www.nu11.org/gallery/zenith/AUT_5206
http://www.nu11.org/gallery/zenith/AUT_5205

And finally, an example of the video problem. That's a widescreen (Though I cut it out wrong) video, consisting of Ghost In The Shell: Stand Alone Complex. Trust me when I say those jaggies aren't supposed to be there in either the subs, or video. Neither problem appears if I leave the video at it's default resolution. EDIT: The video, when like that, is too studdery to be tollerated.
http://www.nu11.org/gallery/zenith/Problem?full=1

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GOT IT!


I had to deviate from the guide, however.

I noticed something in the omega, DNA, and BETA cat's:

[WINXP]
Label=R6
R6=DriverPath_R6,0x4147
DriverPath_R6=\2KXP_INF,CX_17633.INF

Instead of :0x01721002 at the end, I just dropped it. I also dropped it from the INF file, I went to the /driver/setup.exe and away it went like it didn't see what all the fuss was about.

...Huh. Oh well, it works, and I thank you for putting up with my almost inexplicable issues.
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Hi,

I was wondering if its possible to get the latest version of Catalyst 5.4 to be used as the driver for my v5100? How would this be done? If this is not possible what is the lastest version it would work with and how would this be done?

Sorry if this question seems simple but i have no idea if it would be compatible due to chipsets etc?
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Default FireGL v5200?

What about mobility FireGL V5200? it has the capabilities of X1600, can i force the Catalyst drivers to work on it? if so, where can i find the required DeviceID, Subsystem ID, etc.?
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Videocard What about Mobility FireGL V5200?

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What about mobility FireGL V5200? it has the capabilities of X1600, can i force the Catalyst drivers to work on it? if so, where can i find the required DeviceID, Subsystem ID, etc.?
I have the exact same question!

I'm looking into buying a IBM (Lenovo) Thinkpad Z61p with the 256MB ATI Mobility FireGL V5200. Would this make a decent gaming rig if I were to force the Catalyst drivers to run on it?

Mind you I don't need the latest cutting edge games to play on it...I'll use a desktop machine for that. I think that Far Cry or BFII would be about the most demanding games that I would play on it.
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I also have a laptop with a FireGL 5200 card, and am wondering how I can use the Radeon drivers on it. I'm assuming I will gain better gaming performance by doing so?
Links? Articles? please. thanks
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Same problem here. I've got a T60p with an ATI Mobility FireGL V5200, but it locks up when I try to play games like WoW.

I've tried modded drivers and omega drivers, in addition to the normal Lenovo drivers. They all result in lock ups at some point.

I tried the Catalyst 7.4 Raedon drivers and the 7.4 'Mobile' drivers. While they get me better scores in 3dMark06, they still lock up in WoW.

Should I be trying to use older Catalyst drivers with this card or something?
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Default Resolved crashes, still overheats like crazy tho

The problem wasn't with WoW. It ended up being tracked down to the RAM that came with the machine being known to be bad: http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic...afbf2e4d29cc6f

I don't crash anymore, but I still have massive problems with overheating due the poor ventilation system around the GPU. I normally run WoW at 110-115 C which is way too hot. This is with the fan set to max speed. More info at http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic...=303069#303069

The best drivers that I could find for benchmarks and stability have been from Lenovo either via their update software or Windows Update. The other specialized/hacked drivers have always tested slower.
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