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Old Jan 29, 2005, 03:32 PM   #1
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Default Gentoo -- slowly but surely

It has been several years since i've installed and played with a linux box at home, so this weekend i've finally decided to get it running once more.

Foolish or not given my years of being away, I decided to give gentoo a shot, knowing it would be extra work, but interested in the learning experience. So far so good. I've not blown anything up and am about to run the build.

I'm sure i'll have questions down the line about optimizing things, but right now i'll be happy if it runs at all after i'm done.

back soon...
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Old Jan 29, 2005, 04:09 PM   #2
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Quick tip -- don't set crazy CFLAGS. Too many can ruin your system or slow you down. I'd go with
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-march=pentium4 -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer
and that's it (obviously change pentium4 to what proc you have). Too many times you can end up with a broken or unusable system due to overzealous optimization.
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Old Jan 29, 2005, 04:41 PM   #3
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Quick tip -- don't set crazy CFLAGS. Too many can ruin your system or slow you down. I'd go with
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-march=pentium4 -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer
and that's it (obviously change pentium4 to what proc you have). Too many times you can end up with a broken or unusable system due to overzealous optimization.
I used -march=pentium3 -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer

That seemed to be used by several folks on the gentoo boards, and i have a P3 in this system...
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Old Jan 29, 2005, 08:02 PM   #4
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Well, the system boots and I can login... Not much i can do with it at the moment, but it does function.

Now to get it functioning in a usefull state....
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Old Jan 29, 2005, 08:11 PM   #5
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emerge xorg-X11
emerge kde

Wait 12 hours

You're good Course if you don't want kde you could go with XFCE, or maybe fluxbox.
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Old Jan 30, 2005, 12:23 PM   #6
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emerge xorg-X11
emerge kde

Wait 12 hours

You're good Course if you don't want kde you could go with XFCE, or maybe fluxbox.
Sounds like a good next step
I had to go back and recompile a bunch of stuff without -pipe as that broke a couple builds on this system for whatever reason.

I think i'm back to making progress once more... yey.

Oh, is there a way to list what packages are installed(emerged?) on the system? Or does it matter if you emerge a packgage (newer or not) over an existing package?
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Oh, is there a way to list what packages are installed(emerged?) on the system?
cat /var/lib/portage/world
That's what you've asked to be installed - dependant packages are not included

emerge -peDv world
That's a list of every package you have installed inlcuding dependancies

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Or does it matter if you emerge a packgage (newer or not) over an existing package?
Not really. Some services have to be killed and "zapped" though if running - cupsd is a very good example of this.
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Old Jan 30, 2005, 09:05 PM   #8
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you can try xfce 4.2?

really FASTER than kde or gnome

my boot process take 30-40seconds

loading xfce take 10-15seconds

KDE is a LOT longer
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Old Jan 31, 2005, 01:30 AM   #9
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However, XFCE is not to everyones liking - like mine.

I've tried nearly every Window Manager, desktop env, etc in Gentoo's portage and I still find myself going back to GNOME every time on my slowish 1.4 Celery laptop.

Sure XFCE is faster, but speed isn't everything. GNOME just works the best for me
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Old Jan 31, 2005, 01:55 AM   #10
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Sounds like a good next step
I had to go back and recompile a bunch of stuff without -pipe as that broke a couple builds on this system for whatever reason.


-pipe can't possibly break a compile unless there is something fundamentally wrong with your system.
 
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yeah gentoo is great once your donecompiling everything, i just got dome emerge gnome, first time i ever got gentoo to work with a kernel higher then 2.4.x

with xorg even
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I'm running Gentoo with 2.6.10-gentoo-r5. It used to work wonderfully, but since my last updates, the system has been very weird. Gaim protocols no longer work, except for MSN. Some updates broke random stuff...It's just been really craptacular lately. I'm going to download Ubuntu very shortly, or I might do Linux From Scratch. Don't have too much time these days and just want a working system that isn't bloated.
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-pipe can't possibly break a compile unless there is something fundamentally wrong with your system.
I'm sure I screwed it up somehow, but after I took that out some things started working right, and some emerges completed successfully where they didn't initially.
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Old Jan 31, 2005, 05:17 PM   #14
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I think I'm about to wuss out in the interests of getting a linux system up and fully functioning such that I can work with the different OS capabilities. I've learned a lot playing with Gentoo, but I think i'm going to install SUSE for the time being so I can get to working with linux instead of watching my system build modules for a half a day at a time.

Definately will have to go back to Gentoo after I've reaquainted myself with Linux again though. I think i'm probably at the point that if I had a week or two to just arse with Gentoo, build a bunch of stuff, and play with config files, I'd have a well functioning system, but I don't really have that time right now.

Perhaps I'll come back to Gentoo this summer.
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All -pipe does is instead of writing half-way-finished out to disk only to read it in again, is storing it in memory instead.

This speeds up a compile a bit.

I'd go for "emerge gnome-light gdm gedit file-roller gpdf", even though I am a KDE user myself. gnome-light compiles quick, and gives you a nice system. Optionally emerge totem for a nice media player.

I really like the way GNOME is headed. I've been thinking about switching back to it again.
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All else fails install gentoo again with something like stage 3 install so there isn't as much compile time to get the OS up and running. Thats what I did with my server below.

Then you'll have linux up and running and can emerge what apps you see fit, I usually emerge over night hoping it will be done in the morning, especially with something like gnome.
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dont listen to these guys. emerge xorg then emerge fluxbox, so you can atleast play around while you are compileing kde or whatever desktop manager you want, Thats what im doing right now
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...emerge fluxbox, so you can atleast play around while you are compileing kde...
Who really needs a WM to play around with a linux box? :P
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Quote:
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you can try xfce 4.2?

really FASTER than kde or gnome

my boot process take 30-40seconds

loading xfce take 10-15seconds

KDE is a LOT longer
Interesting.
With a freshly prelinked KDE 3.3.2 I could get from running startx to
a ready desktop in as little as 15.75 seconds, usually about 18 - 19 seconds.
With the bare minimum of KDE 3.4beta2 installed using the new split ebuilds in Gentoo
and prelinked, I got to the desktop in as little as just under 12 seconds.
With some extras such as Konqueror installed this has unfortunately
blown out to 16 - 17 seconds.
(Athlon 2400XP, 512MB DDR266, 160GB Seagate 7200.7 PATA HD, not exactly a racehorse)
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I know I'm not ready yet to take the step to gentoo, but my goal is to get there (knowledge-wise) by the end of this year, and know exactly what my system is going to be like before I even compile it.

Good luck Ichneumon, and congrads for trying, you're one step ahead of me.

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