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Old Feb 12, 2020, 09:46 AM   #1
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Default People still don't read the TOS...

I was looking at a few online "deep dream" AI photo filter websites a while ago, and clearly people simply don't read the Terms of Service.

On the sites I looked at, deep down in the middle of the wall of legalese was a clause that by using the service, you are permanently giving them rights to keep and use any images you run through their filter for ads, promotions, marketing, publications, merchandise, and so on, and also giving them the rights to sell, lease, or trade them with any third party of their choice without compensation or credit.

That means anyone who used them just gave away their pictures to these companies to use or sell them in any way they see fit (or if a third party does) without giving the creator a dime, a voice if used for ads or campaigns, or even crediting them as the original author.
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Old Feb 12, 2020, 10:18 AM   #2
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I was looking at a few online "deep dream" AI photo filter websites a while ago, and clearly people simply don't read the Terms of Service.

On the sites I looked at, deep down in the middle of the wall of legalese was a clause that by using the service, you are permanently giving them rights to keep and use any images you run through their filter for ads, promotions, marketing, publications, merchandise, and so on, and also giving them the rights to sell, lease, or trade them with any third party of their choice without compensation or credit.

That means anyone who used them just gave away their pictures to these companies to use or sell them in any way they see fit (or if a third party does) without giving the creator a dime, a voice if used for ads or campaigns, or even crediting them as the original author.

I'd love to see this actually hold up in court. I seriously doubt it'd hold up. For instance, I could claim someone else loaded my pictures into the app without my consent, therefore they have no claim to the pictures. Seems pretty easy to get around.
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Old Feb 12, 2020, 10:53 AM   #3
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I've never read a single TOS or EULA. Probably should, but...




HOWEVER, it's not surprising. All of these free services you use, like Instagram, Snapchat, Facebook, Google, etc, sell data about you to advertisers or mine your personal data for profit of some kind. But the OP is right, most people don't understand that because they don't read the fine print.
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Old Feb 12, 2020, 11:00 AM   #4
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I assume anything I upload anywhere is free for anyone to use in anyway they want.
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Old Feb 12, 2020, 11:34 AM   #5
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People are still surprised by this sort of thing? Nothing is free.
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Old Feb 12, 2020, 12:05 PM   #6
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I've never read a single TOS or EULA. Probably should, but...




HOWEVER, it's not surprising. All of these free services you use, like Instagram, Snapchat, Facebook, Google, etc, sell data about you to advertisers or mine your personal data for profit of some kind. But the OP is right, most people don't understand that because they don't read the fine print.
Exactly.

Plus most people probably don't care anyway. They want what they want, and they want it right now. The future won't matter!
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Old Feb 12, 2020, 12:10 PM   #7
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I read them

Then I just assume there's loopholes.
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Of course not
No one wants to read a wall of text in legalese that is 5+ pages long.
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Of course not
No one wants to read a wall of text in legalese that is 50+ pages long.
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They make that crap crazy long for no reason but to make it not worth your time but not to read it. And that will be my defense if I ever have to go to court.
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I read them

Then I just assume there's loopholes.



There can be, but a lot of times the Terms of Service plainly state something like "these terms are binding and can change in any way, at any time, at the discretion of the company".... so does it even matter anymore?






It's a catch all if they need to update them, and probably hasn't been used to arbitrarily change terms to dodge a pending lawsuit, but I think the wording of these things usually just denies the user rights explicitly, then covers the company's own ass, and nothing else. There are some that are less blanket (maybe cheaper lawyers?), but I find the first few clauses or the summaries/update outlines to ToS changes to be the most valuable in terms of things that actually may effect you.


If you go into a license agreement for a free service with the expectation that:
They will collect and use anonymized data from you and use it for their purposes
They will collect and use data to market directly to you
You don't exclusively own any content specifically uploaded to their service
They will dodge any liability for anything you do on their service
They will dodge liability for things they do that could negatively effect you on their service
You don't own anything purchased through their service that is not a tangible, physical object.



Then you've covered most of your bases and probably don't need to pay very close attention to a user agreement. If you're creating content on the service, using it for business purposes, or are uploading detailed personal information to it, then you probably want to check the user agreement to be sure. Otherwise, just limit the information you give any service to what they require to get what you want. That way if they start using it in ways you don't like, if there's a security breach, or whatever... you minimize the potential for damage to you.
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Anything you "upload" to another server should be considered public
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I've found reviews for things I've done reposted under different names and often they don't even bother to remove my watermarks.

LoL

I uploaded them onto public forums, so I can't really be too grumpy about it.
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