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Old Apr 2, 2019, 10:17 AM   #181
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[I posted this in the driver forum also]
https://www.amd.com/en/support/radeonvii-vbios-eula

Found this via a support thread here:
https://community.amd.com/thread/236770
I glanced at the vbios link today, and there's a v106 bios now (previously was v105), for you amd-branded card owners!
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Old Jul 26, 2019, 12:01 PM   #182
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Even that AMD discontinued the product as expected it still does a great job. I recent upgraded to a Ryzen 3800x with Gigabyte Master x570 and a Corsair MP600. That gave some more speed to the card from the old Skylake Z170 setup.
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Old Jul 27, 2019, 03:07 PM   #183
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Even that AMD discontinued the product as expected it still does a great job. I recent upgraded to a Ryzen 3800x with Gigabyte Master x570 and a Corsair MP600. That gave some more speed to the card from the old Skylake Z170 setup.
Unfortunately you'll see no further driver improvements for the card in new releases. Just look at the latest driver release to see the issues that still aren't fixed on the VII. Now the 5700's are out they won't get fixed. Same with my Vega 64 it's the way of the world I guess.

TBH the VII only ever existed because of the stupid prices of Turing GPU's and AMD used defective Instinct chips that they would have had to write off. Bingo the VII was released so it always had a short shelf life from inception. You win some you lose some
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*SNIP*AMD used defective Instinct chips that they would have had to write off. Bingo the VII was released so it always had a short shelf life from inception. You win some you lose some
It doesn't feel defective to me
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It doesn't feel defective to me
You know what I mean Falck Maybe I should have used the word 'failed' Instinct chips that they then used for VII cards so as to avoid writing off the inventory. Clever move if you ask me and I actually ordered one on day 1 but when I read the reviews I quickly cancelled due to it being as loud and hot as my Vega 64.

Can't say I'm too impressed with the 5700XT but I'm interested to see what the AIB's can do with it to make it less noisy. If a Sapphire 5700XT comes out at £400 I might be tempted but as you know I'm no fan of the latest Adrenalin drivers which would put me off but that's just my opinion.
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Yeah, I think you did a smart move jumping over VII. EOL after 5 months, great. They even pulled 106 BIOS stating that it wasn't needed somehow, or even could mess things up?.

Noise levels don't concern me, gaming is with headset these days... Although, can't complain, my B&W P9 paired with external DACAMP sounds great to me =).
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Yeah, I think you did a smart move jumping over VII. EOL after 5 months, great. They even pulled 106 BIOS stating that it wasn't needed somehow, or even could mess things up?.

Noise levels don't concern me, gaming is with headset these days... Although, can't complain, my B&W P9 paired with external DACAMP sounds great to me =).
TBH I really wanted the VII because I was hoping the dual fans would be like my old Sapphire Fury Pro which was whisper quiet but alas it was not to be. I was thinking of getting a 2080 as they are now under £600 but Nunz and Bill D have rightly persuaded me it's not a great upgrade for the price.

I'm still interested in the AIB version of the 5700XT and it seems that Powercolor are bringing one out for £$399 which means I can get £200 for my Vega 64 it's basically a no brainer to spend just £200 more to get a quieter card. Let's see where it all ends.
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Yeah, I'd say RDNA looks good when considering price/perf.

But, that so called "finewine" AMD(ATi) remains to be seen with the new architecture. Still holding on to my VII. Even have my V64LC tucked nicely away in it's box.
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Getting into the wagon late, but found a $499 deal for a Radeon VII to replace my aging GTX1080.

According to Amazon, it will be delivered on the 11th, hopefully it's before that.
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Well, got my card way ahead schedule today

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So how you liking it?
it's great, better than my GTX1080 for sure.

I have only 1 issue, somehow, it only works at PCIE x8. I don't know if it's my mainboard or the card; I don't think the performance hit is too high so I'm not concerned about it, yet...
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it's great, better than my GTX1080 for sure.

I have only 1 issue, somehow, it only works at PCIE x8. I don't know if it's my mainboard or the card; I don't think the performance hit is too high so I'm not concerned about it, yet...
A few things.


Did you put the GPU into the x16 slot or the 8x slot?

There is a BIOS option to enable full PCIE speeds, something like Gen 1/Gen 2/Gen 3, double check that sizzle!

Make sure the card is seated properly as that can drop the PCIe speed.


I wonder if you're reading it under idle rather than under load? Does it hit x16 under load?
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A few things.


Did you put the GPU into the x16 slot or the 8x slot?

There is a BIOS option to enable full PCIE speeds, something like Gen 1/Gen 2/Gen 3, double check that sizzle!

Make sure the card is seated properly as that can drop the PCIe speed.


I wonder if you're reading it under idle rather than under load? Does it hit x16 under load?
Yes, in the first slot as indicated on the manual.

PCIE speed is in auto, setting it to Gen3 makes no difference.

The card is properly seated, I have removed it several times to be sure, it's tightly secure as well.

Both the BIOS and GPUZ shows x8, even with the render test from GPUZ it stays at x8.
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Interesting.... running the latest BIOS?
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No other cards in your other primary slots?.
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Yes, rolled back to previous BIOS just to test and the result is the same

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No other cards in your other primary slots?.
I have a Sound Blaster Z in the x1 slot, tried removing it and made no difference. Also, I have a nvme ssd installed as boot drive.

I wanted to test my GTX1080 to try to replicate the issue but now it doesn't post!, it works fine on my other computer though.

Really strange issue...

Well, I get ~9100 TimeSpy, it looks fine to me.
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It shouldn't be limited by x8 but I wouldn't want my card running at the wrong speed just off principle. The fact that the 1080 doesn't post sounds like something is damaged. Did you force the card into the PCI slot? Maybe you nicked the slot internal..
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It shouldn't be limited by x8 but I wouldn't want my card running at the wrong speed just off principle. The fact that the 1080 doesn't post sounds like something is damaged. Did you force the card into the PCI slot? Maybe you nicked the slot internal..
no, i did not force anything, the mobo seems ok.

I have found that the issues I had years ago with the Dell 2715Q (4K) monitor has started to happen again so that may be why it's not posting, it stalls in a "console output device connect startup", if I wait enough it shows the Windows screen.

I will test the Radeon VII card in my X99 mobo and the GTX1080 on the Z390 mobo again next week during my vacations just to be sure everything is ok.
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no, i did not force anything, the mobo seems ok.

I have found that the issues I had years ago with the Dell 2715Q (4K) monitor has started to happen again so that may be why it's not posting, it stalls in a "console output device connect startup", if I wait enough it shows the Windows screen.

I will test the Radeon VII card in my X99 mobo and the GTX1080 on the Z390 mobo again next week during my vacations just to be sure everything is ok.
Is it possible that your Samsung 950 Pro NVMe is sharing the PCIe lanes with your video card? It appears your motherboard supports 2 M.2 drivers, just as my Crosshair vII hero does. The problem is, if you populate the wrong slot, or have 2 M.2 drives, it shares the PCIe lanes with the GPU, making it run at X8 speed, at least on the C7H. IE, one is tied to the GPU PCIe lanes and the other is tied to the chipset PCIe lanes. You may want to verify you have it in the correct slot. (on my C7H, the bottom slot is the chipset lanes, top slot shares with GPU). Check your manual.
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It shouldn't matter where the NVMe is. On the Maximus XI Formula, the single GPU slot (top slot) will feed 3.0 16x no matter the population of the M.2 slots.

I'm not sure why the Radeon is acting up. Sounds like the 1080 issue is tied to your monitor being weird, which is fine; however it doesn't make much sense that the Radeon refuses to run above 3.0 8x. Have you tried running DDU to clean out any remnants of prior drivers? Not sure if you had an NV card prior to the AMD one, but that could be causing an issue, I suppose.
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I'm guessing it's due to some sort of M.2/NVMe/sata bandwidth setting in combination with the number of drives you have - not sure about the formula but many boards drop the first pcie slot to x8 under certain storage configurations.

I know you updated bios, but silly question - did you reset everything to (optimised) defaults after update?
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It shouldn't matter where the NVMe is. On the Maximus XI Formula, the single GPU slot (top slot) will feed 3.0 16x no matter the population of the M.2 slots.

I'm not sure why the Radeon is acting up. Sounds like the 1080 issue is tied to your monitor being weird, which is fine; however it doesn't make much sense that the Radeon refuses to run above 3.0 8x. Have you tried running DDU to clean out any remnants of prior drivers? Not sure if you had an NV card prior to the AMD one, but that could be causing an issue, I suppose.
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The Maximus XI Extreme has three x16 mechanical slots. the top two are CPU fed slots while the last is chipset/DMI. It is worth noting that even though the slots are mechanically x16 they are electrically dependent on slot and device population. The topmost slot is the primary and when the 2nd slot is not populated it will give 16 lanes PCIe to the installed GPU or other devices. However, since this board employs a DIMM.2 it is worth noting those are CPU lanes as well so if you populate two M.2 Drives in the DIMM.2 module your main slot will drop to x8. Keep this in mind as this means if you are running SLI, you will need to use the DMI based M.2’s below the PCH cover. This is not a limitation of the ASUS board but the platform as a whole since mainstream platforms do not have the massive quantity of PCIe lanes available like we see on the HEDT parts.
https://bjorn3d.com/2018/11/asus-max...reme-review/3/

after reading the part I bold type, I am willing to be it works identical to mine c7h. If I populate the top M.2 bay with a drive, my main PCI-E slot 1 drops to X8. I have to put my M.2 drive in the bottom slot for that not to happen as one slot runs off CPU PCI-e lanes, and the other runs off the chipset lanes. (I suspect the Maximus XI is identical in that way, one slot shares main GPU slot, the second is chipset)


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Move your M.2 drive to the other slot and test. If you are still getting X8 remove the M.2 drive and test (boot from a linux livecd or similar that will allow you to see if the GPU is running at the full X16, as I suspect the M.2 drive is your OS drive. You might be able to check in the bios.
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Old Dec 12, 2019, 11:22 AM   #204
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after reading the part I bold type, I am willing to be it works identical to mine c7h. If I populate the top M.2 bay with a drive, my main PCI-E slot 1 drops to X8. I have to put my M.2 drive in the bottom slot for that not to happen as one slot runs off CPU PCI-e lanes, and the other runs off the chipset lanes. It says if you have 2 drives, but the main slot is either X8 or X16, you can't run it at X12.. and the M.2 slots run at X4.
The MAXIMUS XI FORMULA (what he has, not the EXTREME) does not have the DIMM.2 slot. He only has 2 M.2 slots. I have all M.2 slots occupied (2 of them, granted one is SATA) and my 2080TI runs at 3.0 16x. He only owns 1 NVME drive, like I do.

The NVME/m.2 SSD he has is not causing the issue.

Just to settle this even further -- the 9900K has 20 PCIE lanes. His single NVME eats 4x, and the GPU 16x.

Imchv, I just went through the BIOS on my Maximus XI Hero and there is nothing you can adjust. Everything should be taken care of automatically. Try updating your BIOS if you haven't, I just updated mine to the 1401 BIOS.

Clear the CMOS (should have a button on the back) and pull the power plug out of the PC. Hit the power button 4-5 times to drain any remnant current and then start her up. Do the minimal BIOS settings to boot into Windows and see what you get.

For sure, the NVME is not the problem, especially since you're only running one. Even with the soundcard in (I have one in as well), the board shuts down SATA5 and SATA6 ports to feed 4x chipset lanes to the soundcard.

Oh, and another thing.. when you update the BIOS, it will delete all saved profiles. I say this after updating and not thinking about it, and having not touched any settings in months ****!!
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Thanks everyone for the feedback.

The PCIE lanes share between the devices was my initial thought on the issue. I haven't had time to properly test all the scenarios but will surely next week.

Right now, the easiest way to determine if it's the mainboard or the video card is to make my 1080 work on the Maximus XI Formula or the VII on the X99, will try that again today.

The 1401 was just release yesterday!, will try it today for sure, I'm aware of the profile thing, luckily I have all the changes I made to the BIOS on my memory

One more thing, this is not driver related, in the BIOS itself it is shown as x8.
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I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to be a bad GPU. Judging by your setup, it's pretty much guaranteed that the NVME or expansion devices you have plugged in are not causing the problem.
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The MAXIMUS XI FORMULA (what he has, not the EXTREME) does not have the DIMM.2 slot. He only has 2 M.2 slots. I have all M.2 slots occupied (2 of them, granted one is SATA) and my 2080TI runs at 3.0 16x. He only owns 1 NVME drive, like I do.

The NVME/m.2 SSD he has is not causing the issue.

Just to settle this even further -- the 9900K has 20 PCIE lanes. His single NVME eats 4x, and the GPU 16x.

Imchv, I just went through the BIOS on my Maximus XI Hero and there is nothing you can adjust. Everything should be taken care of automatically. Try updating your BIOS if you haven't, I just updated mine to the 1401 BIOS.

Clear the CMOS (should have a button on the back) and pull the power plug out of the PC. Hit the power button 4-5 times to drain any remnant current and then start her up. Do the minimal BIOS settings to boot into Windows and see what you get.

For sure, the NVME is not the problem, especially since you're only running one. Even with the soundcard in (I have one in as well), the board shuts down SATA5 and SATA6 ports to feed 4x chipset lanes to the soundcard.

Oh, and another thing.. when you update the BIOS, it will delete all saved profiles. I say this after updating and not thinking about it, and having not touched any settings in months ****!!
You are right, the info I gave was for the Extreme, but the same holds true for the formula. It just has 2 m.2 slots instead of dimm.2 slots. Nearly all flavors of the motherboard has 24 pci lanes (16 from cpu, 8 from chipset).

9900k only has 16 pci lanes:
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us.../i9-9900k.html

Even the manual for the forumula section 1-8 shows how slot one will go into X8 if configured in the bios for Hyper M.2 X 16 drives (granted, it talks about a third SSD) , which shows that the M.2 slots are tied to he gpu pci lanes. depending on which slots he has it in, may determine if it effects gpu slot. Because you have your NVME drive in slot one, and and SSD in slot two (which disables the second M.2 support per the manaul).. you may not see it, but if he has it in slot 2, not slot 1 with NO ssd, it is possible it effect the GPU, which is exactly what the majority of Asus motherboards do, one slot doesn't effect the GPU lanes, the second slot does.

However, there are some who have had his problem with GPU only running at X8, one had a bent pin on the cpu slot (had to fix pin and remount CPU) other's where effected by botched bioses, and one had a defective motherboard (his was with a 1080ti).

I would check the bios to ensure the Hyper m.2 X16 support is not turned on, as it appears that it will effect the gpu slot speed per section 1-8 in the manual.
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I had a nice reply written up and just as I was finishing, my PC hard locked. This sick new thing it's doing since I installed that garbage ICue software .. even after uninstalling it.

I'm going to burn my PC
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Tried the new BIOS, same result.

I'm almost convinced it's the nvme drive, my old 5930K had 40 PCIE lanes and had plentiful to connect 2 cards in crossfire, a nvme drive and a sound card. When I was deciding to upgrade, it was between my current setup and a X299 + Core i9 7920X.

Will try the GTX1080 next week, will let you know

PD: HyperX M.2 is disabled.
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Tried the new BIOS, same result.

I'm almost convinced it's the nvme drive, my old 5930K had 40 PCIE lanes and had plentiful to connect 2 cards in crossfire, a nvme drive and a sound card. When I was deciding to upgrade, it was between my current setup and a X299 + Core i9 7920X.

Will try the GTX1080 next week, will let you know

PD: HyperX M.2 is disabled.
What slot is the sound blaster in?
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