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Old Aug 29, 2002, 09:12 AM   #1
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Lightbulb Uh-oh... new nVidia Detonator 40 drivers.. nVidia claims 25% performance increase

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Old Aug 29, 2002, 09:23 AM   #2
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Default Re: Uh-oh... new nVidia Detonator 40 drivers.. nVidia claims 25% performance increase

Perhaps 25% better performance with untextured polygons or something like that...
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Old Aug 29, 2002, 09:32 AM   #3
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I wonder how much Image Quality they sacrificed this time to make their cards faster. I thought it couldn't get worse.

Was the fanATIc speaking out of me again?

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lol, another 25%.. If that was the case, my TNT 2 running Detonator 40 should be at least 250% faster compared to the 3.77 'Detonator 1' drivers I used to run.
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Damn it...

It sucked enough that the R9700 didn't beat the old Ti4600 in all tests, and now it's going to be even worse .

All I can hope for now is that the next card, whatever it may be called, is coming soon to save us all (from NV30's supposed kick ass perfomance).
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"25% increase in performance in GLquake (with 4x AA enabled 8x asiotropic filtering, when you are facing east, on the 3rd tuesday of september, placing you left hand over your right eye)

heh, or something like that.
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Old Aug 29, 2002, 09:36 AM   #7
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I got 300 points in 3Dmark, pretty decent drivers for performance. But, I got some sort od DLL error when I booted up...
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Old Aug 29, 2002, 09:49 AM   #8
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I got 300 points in 3Dmark, pretty decent drivers for performance. But, I got some sort od DLL error when I booted up...
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nvidia doesnt have driver problems...

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Damn it...

It sucked enough that the R9700 didn't beat the old Ti4600 in all tests, and now it's going to be even worse .

All I can hope for now is that the next card, whatever it may be called, is coming soon to save us all (from NV30's supposed kick ass perfomance).
Dude,

The 4600 doesn't even hold a candle to what the R300 can do. I think the fact that the 4600 can beat it in a low resolution CPU limited test where just about every card from the last 3 years scores within 10 fps of each other is nothing to get exited about. The only true test of what a card can do in current games is to crank up the resolution and detail settings. The NV30 is probably going to be released a whole cycle past the release of the R300 (6 months). NVidia damn well better be able to beat the R300 or heads will roll.
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Dude,

The 4600 doesn't even hold a candle to what the R300 can do. I think the fact that the 4600 can beat it in a low resolution CPU limited test where just about every card from the last 3 years scores within 10 fps of each other is nothing to get exited about. The only true test of what a card can do in current games is to crank up the resolution and detail settings. The NV30 is probably going to be released a whole cycle past the release of the R300 (6 months). NVidia damn well better be able to beat the R300 or heads will roll.
Its going to be funny watching the Nv30 zealots react the same way with facing CPU limited situations..The Nv30 will not be any faster people...one thing the Nv30 will have on its debut more than likely is a AMD Opteron (ATI already stated they are Supporting the hammer so I hope there is some good speed improvements seen here.)
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shh...


nvidia doesnt have driver problems...


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Whoa...i got a 998pt increase in 3dmark 2001! Yikes! Im now at 12998on 3dmark 2001 w/o any o/c Not bad for a driver release! I bet i can get to 13500 w/ a little overclock!

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grrr...wheres my radeon 9700...
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Jeeze, what do you guys have against someone else getting free performance? Get a grip.
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Nothing, yet so far in REAL GAME tests thats Serious Sam,Q3A so far....nothing

Nothing is FREE IN 3D


Now I would like to put myself out on a limb here, I know for a fact the press recieved 'special drivers' for the 9700 launch and so far only 3Dmark has improved...sooo
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Old Aug 29, 2002, 10:25 AM   #17
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GREAT drivers
Performance boost across the board (not by 25% in the applications I've tried though).
No bugs that I've found yet.
Much more options now. (FINALLY Aniso options in D3D)

Quit yer whining, look at how ATi promoted their drivers, or how they promoted their 8500 128MB.
They substansiate their claim with a select few applications and situations.

as far as driver quality and performance nV is WAY ahead. ATi is still a bit ahead with features and tweakability though, but nV sure took one step closer with these babies

I'll post some proper comparison in 5-10 applications at different settings etc. if anyone's interested?
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Nothing is FREE IN 3D
I assume you are fooling around?

D3D Aniso is certainly faster by some margin.
High res seems a bit faster (following the footsteps of ATi).

Over all they're great drivers and I haven't seen any quality degredation.

but as I said, I'll do more thoprough testing later. Benchmarks and screenshots etc.
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I already know what the peformance is Uriel, but go ahead...

The only thing this driver did was finally bring a usable interface to Nvidia card owners..
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I assume you are fooling around?

D3D Aniso is certainly faster by some margin.
High res seems a bit faster (following the footsteps of ATi).
Compression on or off ??
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Well I sold my GF4TI to early, just kidding, a nice R9700 is on it's way
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Jeeze, what do you guys have against someone else getting free performance? Get a grip.
Nah... Its not like that.

It just seems like its all show and no go. Nvidia's PR dept is worried that the perseption of Nvidia as "the performance leader" is changeing. So they release "New High performance dirvers". But its all smoke and mirrors. How could they possibly pull a 25% increase in performance in any realworld situations. Nvidia's drivers are good, very good infact. So how are they "magicly" getting large boosts in performance. Its just a vain attempt to keep some of the spotlight.
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Fill rate drops like a rock in water...have fun ..

I'm suprised Uriel...another person falling under Nvidia PR...at least you got a control panel to use now
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nVidia keeps an alien from Alpha Centari in a secret room at their headquarters whose only job is to write drivers for their cards. I think that ET-1a45x really earned it's single cell protein sludge sickle today. ATI really needs to find one of those guys.
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nVidia keeps an alien from Alpha Centari in a secret room at their headquarters whose only job is to write drivers for their cards. I think that ET-1a45x really earned it's single cell protein sludge sickle today. ATI really needs to find one of those guys.
Ummm please tell me what the Nvidia driver guys did here, I would say the Marketing guys did their job since already proven peformance is flat on games, and only 3Dmark improved

BTW the ATI guys are doing fine..

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nVidia keeps an alien from Alpha Centari in a secret room at their headquarters whose only job is to write drivers for their cards. I think that ET-1a45x really earned it's single cell protein sludge sickle today. ATI really needs to find one of those guys.
I wasn't exactly the smartest guy in science class, but even i know that a star is too hot to be habitable

anyways, back to the topic at hand... i remember reading driver analysis a while ago about the GF 4 drivers, and many people commented that they were getting around 95% of GeForce 4's potential from current drivers... I mean if that's true, nVidia has to be cutting corners somehow, because there just isn't enough power behind it.

The thing with the Radeon 9700 is, I don't think driver updates will matter too much with increased performance, since we're all CPU limited now, i don't think we'll notice it too much (please tell me i'm wrong though, I WOULD love to see my JK II scores go up from 107 FPS to 130 or so ).
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http://jukens1.bravepages.com/index.html

This image was posted on the madonion forums in the 'nVidia Detonator 40.41 Official Drivers' thread. Look at the side of the building on the right hand side . Looks like they are using point filtering, but I don't know if that would increase the performance as reported . What do you think?
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No pic there. Perhaps it the ultimate form of driver optimization. Render nothing and the fps will go TROUGH THE ROOF!.
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I wasn't exactly the smartest guy in science class, but even i know that a star is too hot to be habitable

anyways, back to the topic at hand... i remember reading driver analysis a while ago about the GF 4 drivers, and many people commented that they were getting around 95% of GeForce 4's potential from current drivers... I mean if that's true, nVidia has to be cutting corners somehow, because there just isn't enough power behind it.

The thing with the Radeon 9700 is, I don't think driver updates will matter too much with increased performance, since we're all CPU limited now, i don't think we'll notice it too much (please tell me i'm wrong though, I WOULD love to see my JK II scores go up from 107 FPS to 130 or so ).
Did you not see DOOM's perfromance graph's? Check them out- appears as though everything is actually slower except the Nature scene in 3dmark.

But I never play that anyway
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