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Old Aug 16, 2019, 09:49 AM   #211
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Considering how much I hate the absolutely horrible ABS systems that GM uses... Leaving out their usual electronic hiccups...

It'll be interesting in a few years, to see how well these brake by wire setups survive.

Hopefully it results in great youtube videos, and no serious injuries.
What's bad about it? Which hiccups?

As far as brake by wire, my only exposure is with my buddies Giulia Quad. It has absolutely terrible pedal feel with the carbon ceramics, where you have to stand on it to get it to stop. Compared to a traditional brake setup with iron rotors and a more modular/progressive feel. That's on the street. It's annoying, but perfectly usable and you get use to it. However, it's an absolute mess on the track. My buddy is very hard on cars and tends to ignore signs of distress from the car, and the brake by wire amplified that bad habit. There's no change in pedal feel, and no indication of how much heat is in the brakes besides some goofy blue/orange/red indicators on the rotors of a track screen he had up. Which, of course, he completely ignored. I watched his stopping distance keep increasing as I rode with him, warned him he should slow down a bit, and he kept at it. Fortunately, the car went into limp mode (one of 15x that day) and he had to pit.

Not a fan of brake by wire... I'm hoping GM's implementation has worked in some kind of pedal feedback or better indications of brake system temperature.
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Old Aug 16, 2019, 10:10 AM   #212
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Considering how much I hate the absolutely horrible ABS systems that GM uses... Leaving out their usual electronic hiccups...

It'll be interesting in a few years, to see how well these brake by wire setups survive.

Hopefully it results in great youtube videos, and no serious injuries.
My Giulia has break by wire courtesy of Continental. I am undecided how I feel about it. At low speed it is very touchy.

https://www.continental-automotive.c...c-Brakes/MK-C1

https://www.popularmechanics.com/car...brake-by-wire/
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Some people are claiming that the Z06 version will be open for orders in January. Seems like BS.
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Old Aug 16, 2019, 11:41 AM   #214
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Some people are claiming that the Z06 version will be open for orders in January. Seems like BS.
Could be open for ordering, but that doesn't mean anything would ship in 2020.
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Sounds like electric steering, too much is very bad for you, and when it fails it doesn't just go to armstrong steering since there's no actual connection anymore

If something fails at speed in traffic, what does the car do, go into limp mode? How are these systems going to take years of neglect?

Lots of people ignore warning lights, many seized engines with the no oil light on.

I just prefer to be connected to my brakes and my steering, I suppose.
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Old Aug 16, 2019, 09:54 PM   #216
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Sounds like electric steering, too much is very bad for you, and when it fails it doesn't just go to armstrong steering since there's no actual connection anymore

If something fails at speed in traffic, what does the car do, go into limp mode? How are these systems going to take years of neglect?

Lots of people ignore warning lights, many seized engines with the no oil light on.

I just prefer to be connected to my brakes and my steering, I suppose.
Electric power steering still connects the rack to the wheel.
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Discounts are getting deep on the new C7 market. C7 1LT pricing is down to $43k new with 0 miles at a handful of dealerships. A C7 for the price of a new Mustang GT.
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Discounts are getting deep on the new C7 market. C7 1LT pricing is down to $43k new with 0 miles at a handful of dealerships. A C7 for the price of a new Mustang GT.
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Electric power steering still connects the rack to the wheel.
That's what I was trying to say, if the motor craps out, you aren't stuck without any steering if the assist completely goes away. This system has a very real chance of losing the brakes at the minimum of 1 wheel.
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Issues with brake by wire systems are almost gone with brushless motors though...
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Issues with brake by wire systems are almost gone with brushless motors though...
Huh?

Not really. If the electric or hybrid car has the option to use brake Regen it does become a bit more aggressive and allow you to stop in most normal conditions without using the brakes, but it certainly doesn't fix any of the problems with current brake by wire systems.

At least where the track is concerned. Otherwise, who cares. Brake by wire works just fine on the street.
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One of the major issues with brake by wire is some manufacturers used brushed motors
with a specific lifespan of the brake system after which a 2500$ part needed to be replaced...
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