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Old Oct 10, 2019, 03:24 PM   #91
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For some fun reading you can view all the back and forth for some/all? of these patents.

I was thinking about that interview yesterday, and had a thought... he describes the things as "Tic Tacs".. ie capsul-shaped, and it stood up on end to move/position.


Why a tic-tac? Certainly not a shape I'd conceive of for a vehicle unless there was an actual purpose to it.

A tic-tac allows a dipole moment... you can create opposite charges/magnetic fields on each end... these might interact with the earth's magnetic field, for example to swing it around to align with the field, etc.

Things that make you go, "I wonder... "
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Old Oct 10, 2019, 04:06 PM   #92
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I have to disagree with this. It's not that hard to "coerce" self replicating molecules. We've done this in the lab already, simply by recreating the earth's early conditions. Even today in the complexities of the modern living cell, the "instructions" to self replicate another cell into other cells and further into groups of cells into tissue in turn into organs (and unique organs like fingers, heart, etc..) is actually a very simple "cascading" process with proteins and genes. I'm not gonna pretend to be an expert on it, but there are quite a few articles available that goes through the "emergent organ" cycle from a fetus and how it "knows" to produce fingers, feet, heart, etc..

Now, what we created in the lab is a far cry from what occurs today in terms of cell evolution, but give self replicating carbon molecules several billion years to organize itself into progressively more and more complex structures, it's quite evident you don't need a "creator" or "god" to get things going for complex life.

That's all I will say in this subject in this thread.
Never happened in any lab man, you have bad information. That or the UW of Madison is teaching their doctorates of bioengineering students some really bad information these days.
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Old Oct 11, 2019, 11:37 AM   #93
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popular mechanics article on the patent.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/sci...usion-reactor/
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/s...-a9151386.html

Aliens will likely be discovered within 30 years, Nobel Prize-winning astronomer says
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Old Oct 11, 2019, 04:20 PM   #95
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That's a sensationalist click bait article. What he, and quite a few notable astrobiologists have predicted, is that we will likely find evidence of alien microbiology. But I guess "aliens" is more catchy for the tabloids.

How? And why so quick? It's due to the James Webb telescope due to launch in a few years. What it will allow us to do is examine the spectroscopy of the atmosphere of distant planets.


https://www.space.com/nasa-james-web...-complete.html



By examining the spectrograph you can determine the atmospheric elements. The goal is to look for specific quantities or traces of organic biosignatures, similar to how all life on earth leaves telltale signatures of carbon dioxide, methane, oxygen, etc... in specific quantity ratios than if earth was just a rocky planet with no carbon life whatsoever.

What we're hoping to find is evidence of organic chemistry on these exoplanets. Which could be signs of some kind of carbon based life, or it oculd be volcanoes spewing elements in the atmosphere causing an imbalance or "false positive". It will take decades to study the data. And of course, we could find nothing, but the hope is there. Even if every planet we scan comes out negative, doesn't mean much because we'd only be able to scan exoplanets within our vicinity and life could exist much further out.

Note this is a far cry from finding Spock the teenage Vulcan transgender alien or something like that.
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That's a sensationalist click bait article. What he, and quite a few notable astrobiologists have predicted, is that we will likely find evidence of alien microbiology. But I guess "aliens" is more catchy for the tabloids.

How? And why so quick? It's due to the James Webb telescope due to launch in a few years. What it will allow us to do is examine the spectroscopy of the atmosphere of distant planets.


https://www.space.com/nasa-james-web...-complete.html



By examining the spectrograph you can determine the atmospheric elements. The goal is to look for specific quantities or traces of organic biosignatures, similar to how all life on earth leaves telltale signatures of carbon dioxide, methane, oxygen, etc... in specific quantity ratios than if earth was just a rocky planet with no carbon life whatsoever.

What we're hoping to find is evidence of organic chemistry on these exoplanets. Which could be signs of some kind of carbon based life, or it oculd be volcanoes spewing elements in the atmosphere causing an imbalance or "false positive". It will take decades to study the data. And of course, we could find nothing, but the hope is there. Even if every planet we scan comes out negative, doesn't mean much because we'd only be able to scan exoplanets within our vicinity and life could exist much further out.

Note this is a far cry from finding Spock the teenage Vulcan transgender alien or something like that.
They describe his field and what he won a nobel prize for.

Now if he won a nobel prize for radio telescope work you may have ended up thinking he meant a signal from intelligent life.
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They describe his field and what he won a nobel prize for.

Now if he won a nobel prize for radio telescope work you may have ended up thinking he meant a signal from intelligent life.
How do you think he came up with that prediction? What do you think he based it on?

Your link doesn't really tell much. Just his prediction. This one is better:

https://www.newsweek.com/physicist-a...planet-1464433

"The next step is to collect enough light from these small planets in the habitable zone to figure out if there are signs of life in their atmosphere," she said. "We are already building the telescopes that can collect enough light to answer the fundamental question of whether we are alone in the universe—or not."

These telescopes include the next-generation James Webb Telescope—scheduled for launch in 2021—which will have the power to reveal intricate details about the properties of planets.


These methods won't find "intelligent" life or confirm their existence,it just looks for evidence of biochemistry in the atmosphere. That's a significant discovery in itself, even if its only alien "goo", and the James Webb telescope will make that possible.

Finding "intelligent" life is in itself going to present a much more difficult challenge (unless they come to us first). That requires more than just evidence of biochemistry. It requires evidence of "intelligence" as well. And that's not something we can confidently confirm in 30 years, and pretty sure that's not what he's referring to. Finding evidence of something simple as alien bacteria is a huge discovery in itself, let alone trying to find humanoids 2.0
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How do you think he came up with that prediction? What do you think he based it on?

Your link doesn't really tell much. Just his prediction. This one is better:

https://www.newsweek.com/physicist-a...planet-1464433

"The next step is to collect enough light from these small planets in the habitable zone to figure out if there are signs of life in their atmosphere," she said. "We are already building the telescopes that can collect enough light to answer the fundamental question of whether we are alone in the universe—or not."

These telescopes include the next-generation James Webb Telescope—scheduled for launch in 2021—which will have the power to reveal intricate details about the properties of planets.
It tells what he won his nobel prize for, what he does for a living and he predicts that alien life will be detected in the future.

so put the two together with his field and it's clear he means in regards to his work with exoplanets
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It tells what he won his nobel prize for, what he does for a living and he predicts that alien life will be detected in the future.

so put the two together with his field and it's clear he means in regards to his work with exoplanets
It doesn't get clearer than his own words.

"There are just way too many planets, way too many stars, and the chemistry is universal. The chemistry that led to life has to happen elsewhere."

"Life doesn't just mean a green man coming to you, life started way before animals were crawling on the surface of earth."


Pretty clear to me he's referring to biochemistry and not "intelligent" life.

So, is that what you thought he meant? That would we find "green men" intelligent alien life in 30 years? Because that's not what he meant at all, and the technology he's referring to is precisely atmospheric scanning telescopes, because that is only technology capable of detecting "alien life" with certainty within 30 years
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It doesn't get clearer than his own words.

"There are just way too many planets, way too many stars, and the chemistry is universal. The chemistry that led to life has to happen elsewhere."

"Life doesn't just mean a green man coming to you, life started way before animals were crawling on the surface of earth."


Pretty clear to me he's referring to biochemistry and not "intelligent" life.

So, is that what you thought he meant? That would we find "green men" alien life in 30 years?
what? no again If he had of won his nobel prize for work on something like a radio telescope you could have been forgiven for thinking that.

But as I said it was clear from his prize and the work he does it was in regards to exoplanets.
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what? no again If he had of won his nobel prize for work on something like a radio telescope you could have been forgiven for thinking that.

But as I said it was clear from his prize and the work he does it was in regards to exoplanets.
OK, so I'm not quite sure what we're arguing about then? My issue was tabloids taking his speech out of context giving the impression we'll find Alf in 30 years, when all we're doing is looking for basic biochemistry in these exoplanets he helped discovered (which he rightfully won the Nobel prize for).
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