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Old Feb 20, 2021, 01:28 PM   #931
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Not anger, as others have said you've asked for advice, its been given and ignored by you for some strange obsession with color reproduction on a resolution that is passed its prime.

I want to see games in a DCI-P3 color space 10bit and 1.07b monitor.Noobody answered to this.This the sole point i would invest in a new monitor.I still want to experiment with this.This is why so much digging and trolling.


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Old Feb 20, 2021, 01:36 PM   #932
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Guys lets stop playing games and keep it real at this point cause this is the dumbest argument.

Clearly badsykes is just strapped for cash. So let him do his little research and buy a 1080p monitor that makes him happy.
  • Hes stuck at 1080p cause he doesnt have a system that can run anything higher.
  • Dont recommend anything 4k120 hdr gsync cause that would require hdmi 2.1 and he would need a 3000 series or newer amd card and he clearly cant afford that
  • Dont recommend a 1440p monitor cause he cant upgrade his system
So all he has left is 1080p monitors and the only good feature to argue about on 1080p monitors is color accuracy cause no one was making high refresh rate monitors in 2010, just color accuracy.

Badsykes lets just keep it real you dont have the cash for something. Theres nothing wrong with not being able to afford hardware(we have all been there at some point) If you had the money we wouldnt be having this stupid conversation about 1080p monitors in 2021.

If you did have the cash you wouldnt be hung up on all these people that bought $2000 OLED monitors/tvs.

The most logical thing to do(haha..) is to future proof yourself with a better monitor and when youre ready to take advantage of its features when you upgrade you are good to go. Just because you have a 1440p monitor doesnt mean you have to run games at 1440. You can play games at 1080p and if scaling is too blurry you can play in a window.

You are going to save money in the long run because superior 1440p monitors are cheaper than high refresh rate 1080p monitors by sheer volume and competition between vendors at 1440p. Not only that you wont have to buy a new monitor AGAIN when you actually upgrade your system.
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Old Feb 20, 2021, 01:44 PM   #933
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Guys lets stop playing games and keep it real at this point cause this is the dumbest argument.

Clearly badsykes is just strapped for cash. So let him do his little research and buy a 1080p monitor that makes him happy.
  • Hes stuck at 1080p cause he doesnt have a system that can run anything higher.
  • Dont recommend anything 4k120 hdr gsync cause that would require hdmi 2.1 and he would need a 3000 series or newer amd card and he clearly cant afford that
  • Dont recommend a 1440p monitor cause he cant upgrade his system
So all he has left is 1080p monitors and the only good feature to argue about on 1080p monitors is color accuracy cause no one was making high refresh rate monitors in 2010, just color accuracy.

Badsykes lets just keep it real you dont have the cash for something. Theres nothing wrong with not being able to afford hardware(we have all been there at some point) If you had the money we wouldnt be having this stupid conversation about 1080p monitors in 2021.

If you did have the cash you wouldnt be hung up on all these people that bought $2000 OLED monitors/tvs.

The most logical thing to do(haha..) is to future proof yourself with a better monitor and when youre ready to take advantage of its features when you upgrade you are good to go. Just because you have a 1440p monitor doesnt mean you have to run games at 1440. You can play games at 1080p and if scaling is too blurry you can play in a window.

You are going to save money in the long run because superior 1440p monitors are cheaper than high refresh rate 1080p monitors by sheer volume and competition between vendors at 1440p. Not only that you wont have to buy a new monitor AGAIN when you actually upgrade your system.

I agree with you.


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Just because you have a 1440p monitor doesnt mean you have to run games at 1440. You can play games at 1080p and if scaling is too blurry you can play in a window.
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Old Feb 20, 2021, 01:52 PM   #934
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After i saw the newegg offers it seems many manufacturers are so desperate to have a 10bit 1440p even at 200$... If one can produce a 10bit monitor 1440p at that low price why not just make it to most of the 1080p market ?
Let's move away from 8bit.

Does Vega support 10-bit color output in Windows?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comment...ut_in_windows/
badsykes those 10 bit 1440p monitors are really just 8 bit + FRC. It's marketing BS. Basically they trick the eyes into thinking the panel is displaying a colour that is actually outside it's colour gamut. This is a short article that is quite good.

https://www.isolapse.com/true-10-bit...he-difference/

Or read this especially the part concerning 8 bit vs 10 bit.

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/ar...-Monitor-1111/

TBH I had no idea what my new monitor was so I had to look it up in the specs sheet. It's an 8 bit 16.7m colour monitor. Am I bothered, absolutely not as that was not on my list of considerations. As Nunz has said already we're all different in our requirements and for me that was UWQHD, curved, 144hz freesync premium pro, 1ms response time and low input lag. Job done and this monitor ticks all my boxes.

Ironically you don't need a workstation card to display 10 bit colour as Nvidia has released a studio driver for the RTX 3000 series cards so my 3090 can do it. I presume you can only use either the studio or gaming driver but not really looked into it.

Also, my monitor is HDR400 certified and it's pants in games. Games look terrible so would never use that. I believe Windows 10 is pretty crap with HDR too.
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Your HDR is bad because it's low spec HDR without wide colour gamut, so games would look pretty bad.

Plus Badskyes isn't likely going to get a 30xx series card, his PC is pretty low end.
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Is HDR gaming better on consoles than it is on PC? I did some quick reading and it seems Windows 10 is not that great for HDR.
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Is HDR gaming better on consoles than it is on PC? I did some quick reading and it seems Windows 10 is not that great for HDR.
There were a lot of issues about a year and a half ago especially for the titles that needed it to be on in Windows but, I haven’t had any issues in at least a year and a half if not longer. Pretty much everything supports it now and works w/o issue.
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Yeah, it's a non issue these days.
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HDR would be a non-issue if you could leave it off in windows itself and just enable it ingame.
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The Benq EX2780Q have worse lantency around 60hz than my current monitor.

https://www.prad.de/testberichte/tes...t-subwoofer/5/

One have to activate 144hz for the latency to drop significantly.I mostly hover around 60fps - 80fps...Most of the time sync it will be around 60hz.

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The DCI-P3 color space makes the display particularly suitable as a display device for films. In addition to the very good illumination of the black screen, movie buffs also get their justification with 24 Hz playback. The very good viewing angle stability also allows a movie night in a larger group with the internal speakers doing a decent job. However, the demands placed on the DisplayHDR-400 certification should not be so high, as this actually only means entry into the world of HDR displays. The effect is too small for an aha experience. The gaming properties are impressive due to the high possible update rate of 144 Hz. The delay is also suitable for fast shooters. However, the performance of the switching times does not come close to that of the top gaming displays. For this you are rewarded with the intense colors of the DCI-P3 color space, which make games look very lively. But here, too, the HDR mode cannot tear us off our feet. Overall, the BenQ EX2780Q offers a very good all-round package for a reasonable street price of 485 EUR, which on our part leads to a buy recommendation.

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HDR would be a non-issue if you could leave it off in windows itself and just enable it ingame.
I'm able to leave it on in Windows without any problems using my LG CX. I prefer to leave it off anyway since I'm paranoid about overly bright things on the screen all the time and burn in...but I experience no issues and it looks great.
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HDR would be a non-issue if you could leave it off in windows itself and just enable it ingame.
I leave it on full time these days w/o issue. Still I think a lot of games are independent of the windows settings for HDR.
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I am looking at Acer Predator XB253QGP test on prad and it behaves the same as EX2780Q
At 60hz the latencies sucks big time and one has to use 144hz to have low latencies.,


60hz
https://www.prad.de/testberichte/tes...rkseinstellung


144hz
https://www.prad.de/testberichte/tes...elekonsolen/5/

The Benq Sw240 have better latencies at 60hz than both of those dedicated gaming monitors.

https://www.prad.de/testberichte/tes...-ueberzeugt/5/


And this is the test for my current monitor Eizo FS2434.Input lag is less than 0.05 frames.

https://www.prad.de/testberichte/tes...k/6/#Overdrive

My current monitor beats all 3 new monitors at 60hz at latency...

I didn't count for this matter .... I am thinking about the downsides for NON-native 60hz panels.In my mind if the FPS is dropping around 60fps - 70fps the Freesync will sync at 60hz-70hz so it will use the higher latencies spectrum .... Anybody can cofirm this logic ? The thing is i will use the 50-100fps vast majority of the time.
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I am looking at Acer Predator XB253QGP test on prad and it behaves the same as EX2780Q
At 60hz the latencies sucks big time and one has to use 144hz to have low latencies.,

60hz
https://www.prad.de/testberichte/tes...rkseinstellung

144hz
https://www.prad.de/testberichte/tes...elekonsolen/5/

The Benq Sw240 have better latencies at 60hz than both of those dedicated gaming monitors.

https://www.prad.de/testberichte/tes...-ueberzeugt/5/

And this is the test for my current monitor Eizo FS2434.Input lag is less than 0.05 frames.

https://www.prad.de/testberichte/tes...k/6/#Overdrive

My current monitor beats all 3 new monitors at 60hz at latency...

I didn't count for this matter .... I am thinking about the downsides for NON-native 60hz panels.In my mind if the FPS is dropping around 60fps - 70fps the Freesync will sync at 60hz-70hz so it will use the higher latencies spectrum .... Anybody can cofirm this logic ? The thing is i will use the 50-100fps vast majority of the time.
Firstly the Acer monitor is 8 bit 16.7m colours so you know that right? No 1.07bn I'm afraid. Unless your GPU is totally rubbish you should be able to play games at 1440p you just need to tweak the settings in each game you play.

IMHO native resolution is better than dropping to 1080. As everyone has pointed out it's just a series of compromises you have to make to get you to where you want to be. You can turn some settings off, reduce to medium or low just experiment until you find that sweet spot that gives you the FPS you want. This is what I did with my 5700XT and it worked well. Don't need to do it now of course because I could afford the Ferrari GPU so I bought it.

Unfortunately badsykes you want own a Ferrari but you only have the budget for a push bike. Sadly it's not going to happen. Work out your budget then get the best bang for buck you can afford and buy it.
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I won't worry about the 60hz performance on higher Hz monitors. Even if you can only achieve 60fps, you would leave the monitor in 144hz mode and use Freesync or GSYNC when gaming anywayto help elevate the issue.
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Is HDR gaming better on consoles than it is on PC? I did some quick reading and it seems Windows 10 is not that great for HDR.
Big difference. On my XboneX and LG 49" 4K HDR TV HDR gaming is excellent. Total game changer IMHO.

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HDR would be a non-issue if you could leave it off in windows itself and just enable it ingame.
So this is the first monitor I've owned that has HDR so in order to play it in games do I need to first enable it in Windows 10? In Division 2 and BFV the default setting was auto so it just enabled HDR and it was crap the colours were so washed out I quickly turned it off. I haven't set HDR in Windows 10. Am I doing something wrong?
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Firstly the Acer monitor is 8 bit 16.7m colours so you know that right? No 1.07bn I'm afraid. Unless your GPU is totally rubbish you should be able to play games at 1440p you just need to tweak the settings in each game you play.

IMHO native resolution is better than dropping to 1080. As everyone has pointed out it's just a series of compromises you have to make to get you to where you want to be. You can turn some settings off, reduce to medium or low just experiment until you find that sweet spot that gives you the FPS you want. This is what I did with my 5700XT and it worked well. Don't need to do it now of course because I could afford the Ferrari GPU so I bought it.

Unfortunately badsykes you want own a Ferrari but you only have the budget for a push bike. Sadly it's not going to happen. Work out your budget then get the best bang for buck you can afford and buy it.

There seems to be a behaviour with high refresh rate gaming monitors having huge latency at the 60hz vs native 60hz monitors..This is why i put the acer.I looked at an Asus and there is the same behaviour.
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Running games at lower resolution than native will always look crappy, so for me no point in getting a 4k monitor until one can afford at least a 3080, or find one altogether.

Ordered an UWQHD Gigabyte G34WQC which should arrive next week, and I already know 3440x1440 is going to give my 1080 a hard time.
I seriously considered that Gigabyte monitor but I read loads of reviews and virtually everyone said it was the worst factory calibrated monitor of them all so I decided to go with the iiyama. It's certainly taxing my 3090 more than 2560x1440 did which is what I wanted.

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Your HDR is bad because it's low spec HDR without wide colour gamut, so games would look pretty bad.

Plus Badskyes isn't likely going to get a 30xx series card, his PC is pretty low end.
I know I never bought this monitor for HDR and was just surprised that games enabled it without asking. Dread to think what some HDR10 monitors like in HDR ugh.
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Some games require you to enable HDR in windows, some don't.
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There seems to be a behaviour with high refresh rate gaming monitors having huge latency at the 60hz vs native 60hz monitors..This is why i put the acer.I looked at an Asus and there is the same behaviour.
Why would you run at 60hz if you ahve a 144hz monitor?

Just always use 144hz, you don't need 144fps to use 144hz.
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Why would you run at 60hz if you ahve a 144hz monitor?

Just always use 144hz, you don't need 144fps to use 144hz.
I will study how freesync works.
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Another piece of lag education, is that 60fps at 240Hz is lower latency than 60fps at 60Hz. That's because of scanout latency (high speed videos) since not all pixels on a display refreshes at the same time.
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You won't be able to fix your blur of low frame rate, but NO desktop monitor can anyway....so you can only do your best to "make low frame rates as good as possible given today's technology" and that's almost always 240Hz VRR. Because you get natural quick frame transport with low-framerate VRR (For 240Hz VRR, those 60fps frames transmitted to monitor in only 1/240sec yet looks exactly like a perfect 60fps VSYNC ON but feels largely like VSYNC OFF). And variable refresh rate erase your stutters + tearing.
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I seriously considered that Gigabyte monitor but I read loads of reviews and virtually everyone said it was the worst factory calibrated monitor of them all so I decided to go with the iiyama. It's certainly taxing my 3090 more than 2560x1440 did which is what I wanted.
I have the iiyama ready on my list should the Gigabyte prove unworthy. Kind of getting the hang of returning monitors lately.
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So quiet ...

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So quiet ...

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Let's keep it that way.
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