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Old Aug 21, 2010, 09:37 PM   #61
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I don't mean to be a dink, but can't you get a tubular SS manifold with the correct orientation? Are you going for just straight up off the shelf parts or are you willing to get one custom with proper length tubing and the flange at the right angle.

Tubular manifolds are just so nice compared to cast ones, and they look even better after a good ceramic coating.
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Old Aug 21, 2010, 09:39 PM   #62
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I don't mean to be a dink, but can't you get a tubular SS manifold with the correct orientation? Are you going for just straight up off the shelf parts or are you willing to get one custom with proper length tubing and the flange at the right angle.

Tubular manifolds are just so nice compared to cast ones, and they look even better after a good ceramic coating.
The problem with the manifold I was going to use, and most manifolds like it is the welds at the bends, they're usually ground down and polished, causing weak points, which tend to crack. A cast manifold has a few benefits, one being it's cheaper than one of those manifolds without the welds ground down, the other being it won't crack, and yet another being it's just plain cheaper. Looks don't matter, you won't be seeing it anyways, BMW engines have a 60 degree slant, you're not going to see much of the manifold under the head. Can barely see the stock manifolds as it is.
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The problem with the manifold I was going to use, and most manifolds like it is the welds at the bends, they're usually ground down and polished, causing weak points, which tend to crack. A cast manifold has a few benefits, one being it's cheaper than one of those manifolds without the welds ground down, the other being it won't crack, and yet another being it's just plain cheaper. Looks don't matter, you won't be seeing it anyways, BMW engines have a 60 degree slant, you're not going to see much of the manifold under the head. Can barely see the stock manifolds as it is.
Bah, then get a custom one, the shop I know and deal with in Quebec doesn't grind the welds for a pretty appearance.

Yeah, cast manifolds can be stronger and are usually cheaper, but they tend to be a trade off in terms of performance, a fairly noticable one too.
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Old Aug 21, 2010, 09:52 PM   #64
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Bah, then get a custom one, the shop I know and deal with in Quebec doesn't grind the welds for a pretty appearance.

Yeah, cast manifolds can be stronger and are usually cheaper, but they tend to be a trade off in terms of performance, a fairly noticable one too.
Custom manifold for 1500+(for all the R&D/mockup, lots of labor involved) or a $500 cast manifold? I'll be running a big enough turbo that I'll have enough headroom to hit the #'s I want at the wheel and still not be maxxing out the turbo, so if a cast manifold means I need to run a couple psi more boost, then that's not an issue. It also really depends on how well the cast iron manifold is designed, not all manifolds are created equal, and a manifold being custom made won't guarantee it'll flow better.
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See, this would be similar to the manifold I'd run, I see nothing wrong with that setup, and it actually looks like it can have an external wastegate as well. That specific manifold would run me $529, I'd say that's a good value for the money.

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This is I think their most expensive manifold, it's only $900. I can see the definate cost savings of running with a cast one though.

Oh and here's the stock A4 manifold...



Just be wary, the cast ones can crack.

Oh they do make ones for I6 engines as well... 7MGTE manifold: $760



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I'd contact them and see what they can do for you. Doesn't hurt to ask atleast.
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Old Aug 22, 2010, 07:11 AM   #67
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This is I think their most expensive manifold, it's only $900. I can see the definate cost savings of running with a cast one though.

Oh and here's the stock A4 manifold...



Just be wary, the cast ones can crack.

Oh they do make ones for I6 engines as well... 7MGTE manifold: $760



Linkie: http://turbinetech.ca/produit_detail...ab4663&lang=AN

I'd contact them and see what they can do for you. Doesn't hurt to ask atleast.
Those are manifolds they already have the jigs for though, they don't make anything for BMW's, meaning they'd have to do the R&D, and they'd need a car on hand to do that, it'd get pretty costly in the end... Trust me, I'd love to go custom manifold, but the price-to-performance ratio just isn't there. I'll keep looking though, there might be a manifold out there I haven't seen yet.
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it's not really worth going for a fancy manifold unless you are running a really big turbo that can't fit in the space other manifolds would put it, or you are using a twin scroll turbo, or need an external gate, etc.
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it's not really worth going for a fancy manifold unless you are running a really big turbo that can't fit in the space other manifolds would put it, or you are using a twin scroll turbo, or need an external gate, etc.
Yeah, my goal is around 400hp at the wheels, and the turbo ill be using will easily facilitate that.
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http://store.vacmotorsports.com/vac-...s52-p2136.aspx

Will be installing this baffle kit into my oil pan, should be helpful. Also found a stronger oil pump for the build.
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Will be installing this baffle kit into my oil pan, should be helpful. Also found a stronger oil pump for the build.
Just not feeling the stronger oil pump, man...




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These guys:

http://www.crank-scrapers.com/

Awesome guys to deal with, actually mailed me some stickers after I lost the ones they supplied with the scraper I got. They do even do the M52...

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Don't install an oil pressure gauge if you aren't planning to also install a crank scraper.



The factory oil pressure warning light is set to come on at around 7-8psi. Your warning light probably never illuminates while driving.

Once I installed an oil pressure gauge, I found that in the fast left hand corners (like T3 at Roebling) the car was dropping from 50PSI to around 16. Not good. Especially at 5000+ RPM. Even running a quart over full didn't help. Talk about too much information!

We installed one of the crank scrapers over the winter, and now the car holds full pressure everywhere on track.
Yeah, it's $60, and I probably seem like a walking advert but meh, these things do what they say they do, and it gets you lower oil temps and more power. So... Win/Win and cheap too!
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M52 won't do me any good, my engine is an M54.....
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Never heard of a crank scraper before, I learned something today.

The concept certainly makes sense to me.
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It'd be tough to adapt to the M54 for another reason, the M54 has individual bracing for each bolt for the crank bearings, each bolt anchors to two points on the side of the engine, it's a virtual fortress down there of supports.
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Did some more research on the M54, and the M54 doesn't even need that crank scraper, check this out:

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e2...65-Resized.jpg



And here's the support brackets I was referencing:

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Another thing that makes this engine ideal for my plans:

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e2...54Build-97.jpg
Oil squirters for the underside of each pistons, makes for a very well lubricated and properly cooled piston.
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Just saying... Worst that happens, they need you or your mechanic to make a paper dummy copy, then to test fit a plastic draft copy...

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Yeah, I'd never heard of it before either, but then I did some reading and saw some actual dyno sheets showing it even makes a difference on the dyno.
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Hey Ely, question for you. Your target is 400hp at the wheel, and what is the vehicle expected total weight? Also targeted torq?
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2000lb is target, torque will likely be around the same as hp.
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Why would you bother with a scraper if you already have a full windage tray?
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Why would you bother with a scraper if you already have a full windage tray?
I'm trying to wrap my head around that myself... I'm assuming the cranker is made so that it's close enough to the crank that it'll catch some of the oil, but I'm also assuming the crank isn't going to be completely coated in oil head to toe, so it's really hard for me to understand what benefit's it's going to have...
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it's just to keep the oil in the pan rather than sloshing all over the cranks and frothing up. definitely good to have something there, but what's there standard seems fine.
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Why would you bother with a scraper if you already have a full windage tray?
Windage trays help, but like many OEM things they are a compromise. The scraper actually sticks itself out into the crank swing area to effectively shave the cloud of oil that builds around the crank.

That tray is to limit oil fly back/up to limit the amount that can build up around the crank. The problem with this design is, that when adding dedicated piston squirters it does nothing with that new constant supply. The scraper then really presents it's benefits as it redirects most of that new oil down into the pan.

It's not difficult to grasp...
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I may be picking up another E30 as a daily. Going to look at an 85 325i on Wednesday. It's cheap, but supposedly in great shape(and looks great from the 1 pic), the reason it's cheap is because it's stuck in 5th gear, meaning trans would need to be changed. This is no problem for me, as I've got a spare trans already that will swap right in.
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http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum....php?t=1518764

Going to check this out tomorrow afternoon, its the type of car you just don't pass up for the price.
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Purchased the brake booster I'll need for the engine swap (have to use one from an AWD 325iX since it's smaller diameter but same volume). Need to figure out which engine mounts I'll need (whether I need E30 mounts or E46) and then I'll purchase those and trans mounts, urethane of course.
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