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Old Jul 6, 2019, 04:46 PM   #1
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That graph is old, the claim now is that there's over 300k sugar babies in Canada. Considering that the Canadian population of women around 18-34 y/old is around 3.3 million that would mean that roughly speaking 1/11 women in that age bracket have at least signed up for the service. It would also mean that if the following graph is true, around 1/3 women between 18-20 y/o have signed up for the service as well.

Couple it with the stat of the age of dudes and I can't believe this to be true. It's pretty disheartening if this is true. Mind you my math could be wrong, and I hope it is. My hope is that these stats are inflated by the guys who create such websites.

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No pics of the sugar babies?

Psh. Garbage.

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Old Jul 6, 2019, 05:00 PM   #3
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Where it doesn't match up is when you look at the stats they promote on the most popular SB Universities, like UBC. They have around ~30k female students (assuming a 50% fem pop). Yet the website claims around 300 UBC students are currently registered. If they are the best case scenario as a sample representation (age bracket, need, etc) then it's about 1 in 100 women.

Stats don't seem to add up. UoT is around 40k female with 1170 SB registered which would mean around 1 in 40 women.

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No pics of the sugar babies?

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Connectivity is the key here.

It is very easy to find each other and stay quiet about it.

Women have been attracted to money and power since Greek antiquity.

Why are you even surprised a little?
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Just asked the wife if I could acquire a sugar baby. She said no.
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It is very easy to find each other and stay quiet about it.

Women have been attracted to money and power since Greek antiquity.

Why are you even surprised a little?
Because it is a potentially staggering statistic (anywhere from 1-11, 1-35, 1-50, to 1-100 women within the 18-29 age demo). If true, it throws off all most recent social conventions that were being built over the past century or so which had created great social stability and protected both men and women, such as: marriage, closer age differential between men and women (which reduces the power differential wealthy/experienced/old men had over them), opportunities for dating and marriage/pairing for new generations, etc.

You are going to get young women paired with men whom they can't really relate to, using their best years, delaying childbearing (potentially to their own detriment), and reduced capability for pairbonding, on top of looking at relationships as a mere economic transaction. And you are going to get a bunch of depressed young dudes being lonely and screwed over by boomers not only in an economic sense anymore but also in the "dating" scene. It can also be potentially abused by some as a means to loophole prostitution.

On top of it, it only took a website less than 10-15 years to accomplish it? With men who do this being in the 50+ y/o bracket and taking in so many young women it takes away some of the women's best years (because of their economic necessity) and it takes away them pairing with men who are closer to their age which results in a new generation of lonelier young people with less mating and marriage/childbearing and future building opportunities?

I am not denying that it's a biological thing (men providers, women wanting security and being provided for). I am saying it potentially sacrifices a lot of the civility that was achieved (and peace, social unity, etc) through the past century in favor of our more basic animalistic instincts using an extremely disparate wealth distribution with older men holding the vast majority of resources in almost every sense.
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You think those sugar babies don't hit the clubs and hook up with young dudes too?

They are broken ass women to begin with, so why in the hell would anyone want to knock up a chick dumb enough to sell herself?
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They are broken ass women to begin with, so why in the hell would anyone want to knock up a chick dumb enough to sell herself?
I have a feeling a lot of them aren't the club/hookup type; some might be, for sure. 30% of the women who sugar do it to pay for tuition (in the US this is a big deal). Another percentage do it to pay for their child and yes, there's a few of them who do it for luxury and travel, etc.

It also appears to be very, very murky. Some SB claim they never have sex while only providing company, others do have sex. Personally I am inclined to believe most do have sex. Others have claimed that over time they've fallen in love and actually married/built long term relationships.
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average(age) = maximum(age) = 42 for guys.
average(age) = minimum(age) = 26 for girls.

Yeah, that makes sense. That's what how averages work, sure.
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its not surprising, i joined up there in 2010 i think. Its by far the best(imo) of the sugar daddy sites. I disagree with there avg costs in the toronto area tho
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pretty much, they all have a myriad reasons for doing so but in the end it is what it is.
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I came here to ask WTF a sugar baby is. Then I realised, the reason I don't know is because I don't have that much sugar.
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Yeah, that makes sense. That's what how averages work, sure.
Where are you getting this from? Can you elaborate?
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i understand why this can be worrisome, but imo there are plenty of "worse ways" to fail as a parent. If this even constitutes a failure-of-parent outright... If everyone is a consenting adult and no laws are broken... Icky? Sure. But there are worse things to be a part of...
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its not surprising, i joined up there in 2010 i think. Its by far the best(imo) of the sugar daddy sites. I disagree with there avg costs in the toronto area tho
Do you think their numbers are legitimate? Because if they are it seems staggering to me that 1 out of 11 women in Canada between 18-29 would have an account there.
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I have a feeling a lot of them aren't the club/hookup type; some might be, for sure. 30% of the women who sugar do it to pay for tuition (in the US this is a big deal).
Your feeling i just that though, a feeling.

If you spend time on dating sites, you will find quite a lot of SUPER hot chicks
that have sugar daddies and want a douche for an oil change on the week-end.

If you look further into stats, a lot of those women had dysfunctional relationships with their fathers.

That totally skewed their perspective on long term relationship and actually letting themselves fall in love.
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Idk man, having your 18-23 year old daughter banging a 60+ year old dude to make ends meet or worse, for luxuries... I would feel pretty bad as a parent.

Now, if the relationship came about organically and she is into older dudes, sure I guess. But are we kidding ourselves here? How often do you think that's actually the case?
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Your feeling i just that though, a feeling.

If you spend time on dating sites, you will find quite a lot of SUPER hot chicks
that have sugar daddies and want a douche for an oil change on the week-end.

If you look further into stats, a lot of those women had dysfunctional relationships with their fathers.

That totally skewed their perspective on long term relationship and actually letting themselves fall in love.
A douche for an oil change... that's a good line. Fair enough, so you think the psychology might be something like, "hey, I can see sex and company as a monetary transaction so why not go ahead?"?

I just can't imagine it being 1/11 women though, once again that seems far too high for me. I can see it being 1 out of 100 actually going through with it (like the UBC stats), or 1 out of 40 (like the UoT stats).
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I would say 1/11 is high, but at bars and clubs, it's probably 1/4 at least.

But like I said, online removes ALL the barriers of days past.

You can even read on sugar babies that actually don even have sex with their daddies.
Like the men crave relationships so much that paying for a friendship is OK.
Dont remember what they are called though.
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I would say 1/11 is high, but at bars and clubs, it's probably 1/4 at least.

But like I said, online removes ALL the barriers of days past.

You can even read on sugar babies that actually don even have sex with their daddies.
Like the men crave relationships so much that paying for a friendship is OK.
Dont remember what they are called though.
True, and I guess we'll never really know how many actually have sex. Some men absolutely probably only want company. I've read a number of stories from SB that claim they don't have sex. I don't know if they are lying or deceiving themselves.

I also imagine they are likely lying about their numbers. Ashley Madison did the same thing, they had a bunch of bots pretending to be women to inflate their numbers.
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This isn't new, and it isn't surprising. I've been single my whole life, meaning I've never been married, and so I've dated a lot and have a lot of experience in both online and in-person dating. The Sugar Daddy/Sugar Baby relationship is quite common, and I think has been since antiquity.

I think I see where you're coming from in your statements, Progression, but I'm going to put a different perspective on this.

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Because it is a potentially staggering statistic (anywhere from 1-11, 1-35, 1-50, to 1-100 women within the 18-29 age demo). If true, it throws off all most recent social conventions that were being built over the past century or so which had created great social stability and protected both men and women, such as: marriage, closer age differential between men and women (which reduces the power differential wealthy/experienced/old men had over them), opportunities for dating and marriage/pairing for new generations, etc.
It can also be argued that in the last century society has greatly degenerated, with rampant divorce and abortion, among other things. So this modern society isn't seen as necessarily progress by everyone.

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You are going to get young women paired with men whom they can't really relate to, using their best years, delaying childbearing (potentially to their own detriment), and reduced capability for pairbonding, on top of looking at relationships as a mere economic transaction. And you are going to get a bunch of depressed young dudes being lonely and screwed over by boomers not only in an economic sense anymore but also in the "dating" scene. It can also be potentially abused by some as a means to loophole prostitution.
You're assuming a lot here. Firstly, people don't necessarily need to have everything, or even a lot, in common in order to build a genuine, solid relationship. They will both have different interests anyway, since they're individuals. But there's much more to it than that. What you might be looking for in a relationship might be very different than what others are looking for. And the age-gap brings a lot to the table for both people, that isn't there in a more mainstream, modern, "socially acceptable" relationship.

There's a saying: women are born wealthy, men are born broke. Meaning, women typically have all the social capital when they are young: they have youth and beauty, vitality, and child-bearing capacity. Men have nothing that are really needed: they don't have any wealth, no experience, no real knowledge or wisdom, or stability. But that reverses as they both age. The young men become more veteran and established, and therefore more marketable and desireable; and the women decline in beauty, health, and fertility. So it makes sense that older men/younger women would be a thing.

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On top of it, it only took a website less than 10-15 years to accomplish it? With men who do this being in the 50+ y/o bracket and taking in so many young women it takes away some of the women's best years (because of their economic necessity) and it takes away them pairing with men who are closer to their age which results in a new generation of lonelier young people with less mating and marriage/childbearing and future building opportunities?
Ten to fifteen years to accomplish what? Websites (there are multiple) haven't undone anything at all. They've merely given more opportunity for individuals who were inclined that way anyway. They haven't undone anything.

Aside from that, if something has actually been undone, what was it? Was it something real, or really just a social construct or illusion? I would argue that much of any so-called social progress, generally speaking, isn't actually that, but the product of certain agendas being imposed upon society.

Politics and agendas don't change human nature.

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I am not denying that it's a biological thing (men providers, women wanting security and being provided for). I am saying it potentially sacrifices a lot of the civility that was achieved (and peace, social unity, etc) through the past century in favor of our more basic animalistic instincts using an extremely disparate wealth distribution with older men holding the vast majority of resources in almost every sense.
Again, this is normal, not just some sort of outdated social paradigm. Women look for established, secure men, who have knowledge and wisdom. Men look for youth, health, and fertility. That won't ever change, in my view, nor does it necessarily need to.

But I guess, to answer to basic question, I think it's very common; just not talked about in polite society. And yes, Sugar Daddy/Sugar Baby generally is prostitution, just by another name. (not referring to age-gap relationships in general)
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Do you think their numbers are legitimate? Because if they are it seems staggering to me that 1 out of 11 women in Canada between 18-29 would have an account there.
i just did a search on it, 80km from wasaga beach theres 1100 female accounts, expand that to 160km and there 10000+
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i just did a search on it, 80km from wasaga beach theres 1100 female accounts, expand that to 160km and there 10000+
That is normal as you then encompass GTA
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This isn't new, and it isn't surprising. I've been single my whole life, meaning I've never been married, and so I've dated a lot and have a lot of experience in both online and in-person dating. The Sugar Daddy/Sugar Baby relationship is quite common, and I think has been since antiquity.

I think I see where you're coming from in your statements, Progression, but I'm going to put a different perspective on this.


It can also be argued that in the last century society has greatly degenerated, with rampant divorce and abortion, among other things. So this modern society isn't seen as necessarily progress by everyone.


You're assuming a lot here. Firstly, people don't necessarily need to have everything, or even a lot, in common in order to build a genuine, solid relationship. They will both have different interests anyway, since they're individuals. But there's much more to it than that. What you might be looking for in a relationship might be very different than what others are looking for. And the age-gap brings a lot to the table for both people, that isn't there in a more mainstream, modern, "socially acceptable" relationship.

There's a saying: women are born wealthy, men are born broke. Meaning, women typically have all the social capital when they are young: they have youth and beauty, vitality, and child-bearing capacity. Men have nothing that are really needed: they don't have any wealth, no experience, no real knowledge or wisdom, or stability. But that reverses as they both age. The young men become more veteran and established, and therefore more marketable and desireable; and the women decline in beauty, health, and fertility. So it makes sense that older men/younger women would be a thing.


Ten to fifteen years to accomplish what? Websites (there are multiple) haven't undone anything at all. They've merely given more opportunity for individuals who were inclined that way anyway. They haven't undone anything.

Aside from that, if something has actually been undone, what was it? Was it something real, or really just a social construct or illusion? I would argue that much of any so-called social progress, generally speaking, isn't actually that, but the product of certain agendas being imposed upon society.

Politics and agendas don't change human nature.


Again, this is normal, not just some sort of outdated social paradigm. Women look for established, secure men, who have knowledge and wisdom. Men look for youth, health, and fertility. That won't ever change, in my view, nor does it necessarily need to.

But I guess, to answer to basic question, I think it's very common; just not talked about in polite society. And yes, Sugar Daddy/Sugar Baby generally is prostitution, just by another name. (not referring to age-gap relationships in general)
Thanks for being thorough now let's see if I can answer everything.

Alright so basically I will absolutely conceed that technology, subconsciously (and sometimes consciously) is bringing about our biology/nature pre-social engineering. Tinder brings women to the top 20% of men, SA brings women who like being taken care of and being provided for to men who want company and are wealthy, and/or simply want sex from young attractive women. I agree with you on that completely.

However, even the creator of SA says that there's a correlation between the tuition prices and the number of SB subscribing.

My take on this is that yeah, websites like SA should probably exist but we should make attempts to not promote it as a lifestyle (mostly due to economic necessity) because it can potentially have damaging consecuences. In other words, I think the problem that needs to be solved is the reason for the majority of women who feel like they need to do this which is tuition. I don't believe in utopias but perhaps it could be improved.

If the other 50%-ish percent of women who do it for luxury goods and stuff like that want to do it, then go right ahead. I am fine with that because it is clear that those women are doing it out of their own, unburdened will.

I also agree that there is absolutely value in younger women dating older men. I think society has disuaded it (and perhaps for good reason, I'm not sure) because there is a transitioning of the torch to the younger generations and because it creates stronger family ties and it favors the upbringing of children. I do think the taboo perhaps should go away but I still don't think it should necessarily be actively encouraged.

It's rather similar to abortions, 1-2% of abortions are due to rape, the rest vary from economic necessity, inconvenience, etc. I think abortions are an unfortunate necessity and need to exist. However, I also believe they shouldn't be promoted as a lifestyle as a lot of media seems to be doing nowadays. A lot of people seem to treat abortion as a "woopsie" to contraceptives. This, in my opinion (and perhaps some of you may consider it old-school or prudish, which is fine) erodes human value.

*By the way I don't think all SB/SD relationships are at the detriment of people. I think there can be genuine value in some of them. I can see how that could be the case.
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That is normal as you then encompass GTA
Ok that radius seems to basically include Toronto, Hamilton, Kitchener and other high pop areas. I'm thinking 6.5-7.5 million people. 10k spread throughout that area is basically 20k (assuming it scales proportionally) for all of Ontario. It is far less than the near 100k for Ontario the initial chart I had, showed. It's 1 in 350 women and if 18-29 demographic of women is about ~20% of the population then it's about 1 in 70 women. Right inbetwen 1-100 from UBC and 1 in 40 from UoT.

As MasterGoa said, 1100 at 80k and around 10 thousand at 160k would explain the inclusion of Toronto and nearby cities.

So the numbers, although very meaningful, are far fewer than that chart would lead to presume.

There's a chance there are deleted profiles though.

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