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Old Nov 23, 2020, 12:55 AM   #1
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Want to understand your thoughts on cooling by testing something extreme.

Here's the scenario:
  • at your normal room temperature
  • run CPU-Z's CPU benchmark + Furmark's GPU stress test at the same time to generate 100% heat from both
  • run for at least 30 minutes
Would you expect your processor to maintain its clock speed throughout this test?

If you try this now on your computer, do your components throttle clock speeds?
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Old Nov 23, 2020, 06:37 AM   #2
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GPU definitely throttles.
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Nothing throttles, fans barely ramp up. Yay watercooling.
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Yeah, I think the biggest advantage that water cooling has is that it feeds off of the cooler air outside your case. Not sure why we can't get some copper heatsinks that do the same thing.


My 3080 is just a few cm from my evo 212 (which has a TDP of 180 W btw), but it only starts to ramp its fans up to the max at 83 centigrade. Which means the air starts at 80 C to cool my processor. Not good.


When the 3080 is idle, my processor has no issues maintaining clocks beyond base indefinitely. All while staying at 50 C.
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Yeah, I think the biggest advantage that water cooling has is that it feeds off of the cooler air outside your case. Not sure why we can't get some copper heatsinks that do the same thing.
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Nothing throttles, fans barely ramp up. Yay watercooling.
Same.

I have 2 1080ti hybrids and a NZXT X52 Kraken on my 9900k @ 5.0.

After 30 minutes I was at 80c on the 9900k and 62c on the top 1080ti.

Fans were set to silent and were maybe at 50%.
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BTW I work with ICEGIANT.
I have thought long and hard about trying an Icegiant. The concept for the cooler is outstanding. I love the fact that the only running parts to the 'pump' system is the fans themselves. Plus that 10 year warranty is really really nice.

I think that my next computer experiment will be with a full water loop though. I know it's double the price but I want to be able to add a 3080ti or equivalent GPU to the loop when they become available. Also, I'm becoming stir-crazy and need to get my mind off of everything outside of my house for a while. This might just give me that escape.

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CPU and GPU both peaked at 75c. The system was quiet... Till the Fury flared up about 5/10min in. This card is kinda loud. No throttling
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I think I understand what's happening. My case is tiny, and I never expected to have a 320 W monster graphics card in there generating heat. Eventually my CPU heatsink also absorbs the graphics card heat, but it is not being evacuated fast enough by the case.


So in perhaps as an overkill solution, I am acquiring one of these monsters https://noctua.at/en/nf-a14-industrialppc-3000-pwm


If 289 m^3/hr of air moved is not enough, then I'm done for.
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I think I understand what's happening. My case is tiny, and I never expected to have a 320 W monster graphics card in there generating heat. Eventually my CPU heatsink also absorbs the graphics card heat, but it is not being evacuated fast enough by the case.


So in perhaps as an overkill solution, I am acquiring one of these monsters https://noctua.at/en/nf-a14-industrialppc-3000-pwm


If 289 m^3/hr of air moved is not enough, then I'm done for.
Oh boy.... I have one of those kicking around... Prepare to go deaf.
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I'm hoping I don't need anywhere near that much power. If not, and if it's still too loud, I may replace it with a quieter model.
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Oh boy.... I have one of those kicking around... Prepare to go deaf.
Agreed. All of my 140mm are the 2000 RPM versions. they run at about 1k (custom loop) unless stress testing or heavy gaming.. heaving gaming they might go up to 1300 rpm based on liquid temp, but that is usually when my room gets warm and I haven't turned on the AC, or I have been lazy and haven't cleaned the filters and/or blown out the fans/radiators in a while. they are hella loud if ran at 2k, and that is in a Define R5 case which has sound deadener built into the panels. I can only imagine what the 3k version would do.

On a note of adding/replacing fans in your case metroidfox, You want to make sure you have good airflow thru the case and not try not to block the flow such as cables being in the way, or even to many hard drives can cause cooling problems because there is no air movement as the cables/hard drives, etc block the flow of air. You also want to try to have equal amounts of air flowing into the case as blown out. But some run a positive air flow where they blow more into the case than blowing out to help eliminate dust inside. So if you are going to get one of those bad boy fans, for taking the hot air out of your case, you also want one to blow the air into the case or you will have a negative air flow, causing a serious problem with dust collecting inside the case as it will suck air into the case from every gap and holes in the case plugging up your heatsinks etc.
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I'm hoping I don't need anywhere near that much power. If not, and if it's still too loud, I may replace it with a quieter model.
Well what exactly are you trying to accomplish here? If stuff isn't throttling your temps are fine. I will trade higher temps for lower noise ANY day. You don't need to try and keep your cpu and gpu under 60c. There's no point in fighting for those 2c lower temps if that means putting a dust buster in your pc. haha
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The case gets really, really hot, and I wanted to fix that. I've more than likely gone overkill, but we'll see.


The card will hit the lower 80s in centigrade, and at after enough time you can see the sustained rate drop on the 5800X. While it's constantly above 4 Ghz, I think the 5800X can also do 4.5 Ghz indefinitely on all cores.
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The case gets really, really hot, and I wanted to fix that. I've more than likely gone overkill, but we'll see.


The card will hit the lower 80s in centigrade, and at after enough time you can see the sustained rate drop on the 5800X. While it's constantly above 4 Ghz, I think the 5800X can also do 4.5 Ghz indefinitely on all cores.
What temps are we talking for case and CPU? 80C on an air cooled gpu isn't bad.
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The 5800X regularly hits 90C, which means it probably is throttling. Though I don't really see it from the clockspeeds because they are way higher than what the advertised base speed of 3.8 Ghz is.


The gradual decline over the course of 30 minutes-1 hour suggests to me that thermal throttling is sort of occurring though. If I stop maxing the 3080's TDP, clocks will rise again. => I may be on the edge of thermal performance with my current fans. The Noctua would simply be added to them.


I just didn't see the point in going for the $26 normal PC part when I can get so much more cooling performance, and have it run at a lower speed. Besides, having a powerful exhaust fan doesn't seem like that bad an idea to me.



Also, pretty sure that in no circumstances should my case be that hot to touch. It's definitely at the point of not being comfortable.
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What do you have for a cpu cooler? Nothing against having good case airflow.

What case do you have too?
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Speaking of cooling, I had EVGA send me out a new fan for my CPU AIO which they gladly did but they sent me the wrong one! Glad I put the order in for 3 new Noctua's that will be here any min. today.
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What case do you have too?
212 Evo, but I can only position it blowing hot air at the 3080, or taking in air from it. Currently set to blow air at the 3080. Case is a Bitfenix Prodigy M, so very tight.


The Noctua will be to the side of the 212 Evo, and just below the 3080. Figure it will do better than my current generic 120mm fan at clearing that hotspot. The existing 120mm fan will join the other one at the bottom of the case, blowing air into it.


As it stands, the 212 Evo fan is the loudest in the case, but it too is apparently quite beefy, so just want to help it out a bit.



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Which ones did you get?
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Speaking of cooling, I had EVGA send me out a new fan for my CPU AIO which they gladly did but they sent me the wrong one! Glad I put the order in for 3 new Noctua's that will be here any min. today.
The EVGA fans on the AIO are poopy. I hope you got some Noctua A12x25s for that bad boy
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212 Evo, but I can only position it blowing hot air at the 3080, or taking in air from it. Currently set to blow air at the 3080. Case is a Bitfenix Prodigy M, so very tight.


The Noctua will be to the side of the 212 Evo, and just below the 3080. Figure it will do better than my current generic 120mm fan at clearing that hotspot. The existing 120mm fan will join the other one at the bottom of the case, blowing air into it.
Oh wow that case does not look like it has good airflow at all!
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It is very concentrated, and was a giant pain to build. My hands have cuts from the damn cooler. Thankfully it has a tonne of fan slots, and can take fairly sizeable ones.


I could either add two more fans to the top of the case (would only help the GPU), or replace the provided 120mm ones with some beefier ones/go 200mm if I wanted.


As a funny side note, I have a Vornado room fan that I pointed down onto the top of the case onto the 3080 (with the case mesh still on). Temperatures max out well below 70 Centigrade at full TDP, but does nothing for the processor.


So yeah, that's why I want an industrial fan next to my CPU.
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The EVGA fans didn't cool bad as the Temps are not all that different, they just needed alot more RPM's to do it. The EVGA's were a 2400 RPM Max and the one I wanted to replace would start whining at 1600RPM. The Noctua's run anywhere between 500 and 1500RPM Max. Was also surprised that Microcenter scalps on these things. Same fan in the brown scheme from them they charge $35 a fan, everyone else that isn't scalping is charging $22.90.

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The 5800X regularly hits 90C, which means it probably is throttling. Though I don't really see it from the clockspeeds because they are way higher than what the advertised base speed of 3.8 Ghz is.


The gradual decline over the course of 30 minutes-1 hour suggests to me that thermal throttling is sort of occurring though. If I stop maxing the 3080's TDP, clocks will rise again. => I may be on the edge of thermal performance with my current fans. The Noctua would simply be added to them.


I just didn't see the point in going for the $26 normal PC part when I can get so much more cooling performance, and have it run at a lower speed. Besides, having a powerful exhaust fan doesn't seem like that bad an idea to me.



Also, pretty sure that in no circumstances should my case be that hot to touch. It's definitely at the point of not being comfortable.
I was hearing these CPU's ran hot and 90C was ok, my 5900X with my AIO usually peaks at about 75C. Which I'm surprised as my 3080 runs hot at 77 to 80C during load.
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It's a loud'un, but my 3080 never exceeds 70 Centigrade any more.


The 5800X still loves maxing out at 90C, and the friggin' Noctua is right next to it. So I can only assume it loves 90C.
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You really need a 280/360 AIO for these AMD chips. Anything else seems insufficient.
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