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Old Jul 3, 2020, 02:03 PM   #121
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Don't lose your sense of humor.
it is funny any graphical glitches with AMD is always drivers

but with NV it is always something else dx12, vulkan or the game

now i have not been running AMD since i got the 2080 ti and gave my fruy x's to my sister so about 2 years

but i seem to remember both dx12 & vulkan ran better with less glitches on AMD since they both based on amd mantle

and NV has had tons of dx12 issues since it came out a lot less with vulkan but some




it will be interesting to see how the dx12 only cyberpunk 2077 runs on NV and AMD

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Old Jul 3, 2020, 04:18 PM   #123
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used to be with my two fury x's AMD was faster on DX12 than DX11

and NV took a performance hit on DX12

but i haven't been able to keep track of it since i went all to the dark side




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yea there were no graphical glitches with NV or RTX ever at all with NV drivers they are always perfect

what was the last AMD card you used or was it a ATI ?

I wasnt trying to be facetious with my post. Now I have a display that can do both Freesync Ultimate and G-Sync - I do have the option of going AMD, my previous display only did G-Sync. I just have concerns going back to AMD because my experience with nvidia has been pretty close to flawless. I'm not saying nvidia doesnt have issues - I am saying I personally havent had any. The last AMD GPU I ran was a R9 290. Was a while back - I can't recall any major driver problems tbh. I'd love to go back to AMD - I'm just apprehensive about doing so. I can't recall the last time I ran a full AMD system (CPU and GPU), probably back in the early 2000's.
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I wasnt trying to be facetious with my post. Now I have a display that can do both Freesync Ultimate and G-Sync - I do have the option of going AMD, my previous display only did G-Sync.
That's gonna be an issue for me as my display is gsync only.
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I wasnt trying to be facetious with my post. Now I have a display that can do both Freesync Ultimate and G-Sync - I do have the option of going AMD, my previous display only did G-Sync. I just have concerns going back to AMD because my experience with nvidia has been pretty close to flawless. I'm not saying nvidia doesnt have issues - I am saying I personally havent had any. The last AMD GPU I ran was a R9 290. Was a while back - I can't recall any major driver problems tbh. I'd love to go back to AMD - I'm just apprehensive about doing so. I can't recall the last time I ran a full AMD system (CPU and GPU), probably back in the early 2000's.
most real driver problems i remember were crossfire and sli

single card not so much

and most both single and mgpu i could fix with a blank boot drive and a fresh install and finding a other driver or program that is conflicting

some people seen to get a lot
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There's no proof of that. No one knows whether the 3080TI and 3090 are the same, or if they're separate cards. It would appear that the 3090 is the 3080TI, just renamed, which would allow NV to refresh the standard 3080 as the 3080TI. Honestly, it makes more sense rather than the ridiculous "super" moniker.

The 3090 could be the A chip of the 3080TI, but again, no one knows yet.
You do know that Nvidia is investigating the Leak. Like they are pissed. Nvidia's plan is to await the release of "Big Navi" then release from the top down.

3090 ( Titan Replacement ) $1999.99 USD
3080 Ti $1499.99 USD
3080 $1199.99 USD

3 to 5 month later you will get the mid to low end range of cards. 3070, 3060 and a 1750.

Just watch.
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$1199 for the 3080? No chance dude. There is no way NV is moving their entire high-end GPU lineup into the $1000+ mark.

Zero percent chance that those dollar figures are accurate. I'll eat my words if I'm wrong, because if I'm wrong, there's no way I'm buying anything.
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$1199 for the 3080? No chance dude. There is no way NV is moving their entire high-end GPU lineup into the $1000+ mark.

Zero percent chance that those dollar figures are accurate. I'll eat my words if I'm wrong, because if I'm wrong, there's no way I'm buying anything.
Nvidia can charge whatever they want. You want too know why?



Even AdoredTV has no faith in Big Navi. We are still a few years away from AMD using some of those Ryzen Bucks to be put in to GPU-RND. By then Intel should be on the stage with atleast something to compete with AMD's GPU's.

My guess is 2 to 3 years before we see pricing come back down.
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I would agree if the 5700XT had not seen as much success in sales as it has. The dGPU market is not solely dominated by NV, and AMD has built a strong reputation and brand recognition through their Ryzen chips. People see AMD and they don't think "trash" anymore, because quite frankly they aren't manufacturing DOA products like they used to.

NV might get away with those prices for the 3000 series, but at what cost? In the short term, it may be a victory, but NV has never really focused on short term. If NV prices as you suspect, then AMD will be the dominant GPU manufacturer within the next 4-5 years.
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$1199 for a standard 3080 That would be yet another hard pass, I don’t need a graphics card that bad.
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Nvidia can charge whatever they want. You want too know why?



Even AdoredTV has no faith in Big Navi. We are still a few years away from AMD using some of those Ryzen Bucks to be put in to GPU-RND. By then Intel should be on the stage with atleast something to compete with AMD's GPU's.

My guess is 2 to 3 years before we see pricing come back down.


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5700XT is already very close to a 2080
it needs more memory for 4k and Big Navi will have that

and Big Navi has 2x the CU's and gpu cores

don't think it will have any problem beating the 2080 ti or the 3080

the 3090 maybe not


it just won't matter for NV pricing they will just ignore AMD even if they are faster than the 3090
they will run a internet campaign with that old saw about drivers
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The price gets hiked once and everyone freaks out. I'm sure they won't go up again. Best to just wait and see rather than stress over it for months.
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If they raise the prices even more I will seriously have to have a good look at what the PS5/xbox 360 one series sx elite pro will cost.

I love PC Gaming, but I have my limits to what I will spend.

Now if the PS5 costs like 800 or more then **** it will buy a GPU.

HOWEVER if the PS5 costs like 400-500 and the 3080 is 1000+ then I will have some thinking to do.
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If they raise the prices even more I will seriously have to have a good look at what the PS5/xbox 360 one series sx elite pro will cost.

I love PC Gaming, but I have my limits to what I will spend.

Now if the PS5 costs like 800 or more then **** it will buy a GPU.

HOWEVER if the PS5 costs like 400-500 and the 3080 is 1000+ then I will have some thinking to do.
Why not look at mid range cards?

I've already come to the conclusion I will likely be in the market for a 3070.
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Why not look at mid range cards?

I've already come to the conclusion I will likely be in the market for a 3070.
Midrange is the price that the top end used to be

I will wait and see how it all works out.
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Midrange is the price that the top end used to be

I will wait and see how it all works out.
Exactly, that's why I said I would likely be going mid range now. Luckily I didn't raise my standards yet with high refresh rate or 4K.

I used to always buy the top tier cards but now I'm priced out of it. I'm still using a 980 Ti which when purchased for $700 was considered high end.
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Find it odd that people don't know how economics work.

The cards are worth whatever people are willing to pay for them. If they sell enough at $1,500 then that will be the price. Like it or leave it. If AMD actually turn up at the races this time and are more competitive and cheaper then the price will be less.

Thy are top end cards at top end prices. No one forces anyone to buy them. So if the figures work out for Nvidia at a high price then that will be what it is.
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Exactly, that's why I said I would likely be going mid range now. Luckily I didn't raise my standards yet with high refresh rate or 4K.

I used to always buy the top tier cards but now I'm priced out of it. I'm still using a 980 Ti which when purchased for $700 was considered high end.
My Son has a 980Ti (my old card) in his system and it copes well enough even at 1440p.
I've a 1080Ti which is still a great card. Skipped the 2000 cards as I didn't see them as good value for money , They perform much better now, but it's to late in the day to buy a 2080Ti, they needed the performance they have now when they first released them .
Will be going 3080 or 3080Ti depending on performance. Need to perform better than my 1080Ti at 1440p but with all the raytracing bells running.
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Old Jul 9, 2020, 04:06 PM   #143
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Back when the 2000 series was released Nvidia had higher demand due to the crypto market. They also had no competition at all, not even on the horizon. Now that AMD is going through with a head to head launch for the first time since they purchased ATI, Even if they don't come out on top Nvidia is going to see direct competition across most of the low and medium range lineup if not the high end as well. PC gaming is also going to get a little competition from consoles around this time as well and the crypto market went bust.

On top of that, if Nvidia is using Samsung 8nm then it's going to cost them less to manufacture the cards than it would if they went with TSMC 7nm. Nvidia has always had Titan cards for people who will pay 2x as much for 5% more performance and I don't expect that to change this time however, the nearly 2x price hike last time didn't work out for them last year. Nvidia is doing well but it's gaming sector underperformed last year and we all know why. I don't know if prices will drop but I highly doubt they will go up again. Especially since they are sticking with 12GB of VRAM. I expect prices will stay flat.
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Old Jul 9, 2020, 04:23 PM   #144
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Back when the 2000 series was released Nvidia had higher demand due to the crypto market. They also had no competition at all, not even on the horizon. Now that AMD is going through with a head to head launch for the first time since they purchased ATI, Even if they don't come out on top Nvidia is going to see direct competition across most of the low and medium range lineup if not the high end as well. PC gaming is also going to get a little competition from consoles around this time as well and the crypto market went bust.

On top of that, if Nvidia is using Samsung 8nm then it's going to cost them less to manufacture the cards than it would if they went with TSMC 7nm. Nvidia has always had Titan cards for people who will pay 2x as much for 5% more performance and I don't expect that to change this time however, the nearly 2x price hike last time didn't work out for them last year. Nvidia is doing well but it's gaming sector underperformed last year and we all know why. I don't know if prices will drop but I highly doubt they will go up again. Especially since they are sticking with 12GB of VRAM. I expect prices will stay flat.
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nv stopped head to head launch after the 4870 dropped the price of the gtx 280 from $650 dropped to $430 after 3 months

then the 480 turned into a BBQ

and the fixed 580 released 8 months later and they have been out of sync ever since
and i think they both wanted it that way

and i think they would be this time but for the virus

AMD has been late a few times also

but both the 7970 and the 290x were very good for them
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Old Jul 9, 2020, 04:57 PM   #145
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nv stopped head to head launch after the 4870 dropped the price of the gtx 280 from $650 dropped to $430 after 3 months

then the 480 turned into a BBQ

and the fixed 580 released 8 months later and they have been out of sync ever since
and i think they both wanted it that way

and i think they would be this time but for the virus

AMD has been late a few times also

but both the 7970 and the 290x were very good for them
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Normal variants change here but TI continues the high end launch of chip series.

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For example the Geforce GTX 580 and GTX 280 ect. are stop gap cards with faster variants coming out a year later within the same 3 month period that they always have. So nothing has changed and yet there has been no head to head competition. The 2080TI certainly changed things because it launched at the same time as the regular 2080 and once again there was no competition and even years later there was still no competition lol. They still haven't beaten a 1080TI dude. You could say that the TI was the normal champ and the super variants were the refresh this time with no need to put out a new champ card. Nvidia has no reason to wait 4 years for ATI to catch up before launching a new card so you can't blame them at this point.

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nv stopped head to head launch after the 4870 dropped the price of the gtx 280 from $650 dropped to $430 after 3 months

then the 480 turned into a BBQ

and the fixed 580 released 8 months later and they have been out of sync ever since
and i think they both wanted it that way

and i think they would be this time but for the virus

AMD has been late a few times also

but both the 7970 and the 290x were very good for them
Even though the 7970 and 290x products did bring performance leadership for a short time, the underlying Gcn architecture cost Amd so much market share.

The 7970 was easily over run by a cheaper, more efficient Gtx 680 and the 290x had to deal with cheaper 770''s and 780's, with the introduction of a ti variant as well.

Performance watt was really hurting Amd with Gcn and why Amd constantly discusses performance watt so loudly with Rdna.
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Even though the 7970 and 290x products did bring performance leadership for a short time, the underlying Gcn architecture cost Amd so much market share.

The 7970 was easily over run by a cheaper, more efficient Gtx 680 and the 290x had to deal with cheaper 770''s and 780's, with the introduction of a ti variant as well.

Performance watt was really hurting Amd with Gcn and why Amd constantly discusses performance watt so loudly with Rdna.
and a lot of people had single card stutter with the 680 i know i had it and it took them months to fix it
i fixed it first with a second card

and unlike the 7970 that worked fine with the first pcie 3.0 MB's the 680 was almost always showing that it was running in 2.0
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