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Old Oct 28, 2020, 02:35 PM   #6301
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So there's no sustained oil leak, the driveway under the car is as clean as it's ever been. I still bought a replacement o-ring for the oil filler cap.
I was going to comment on that.... It's possible, the oil is either getting into the intake and leaking from some areas which aren't exactly water tight or the PCV system spitting some out due to the aggressive autox driving.

I don't know much about your specific car, but sometimes running a car a quart lower on oil can help mitigate some of those issues without installing catch cans and so forth...

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Old Oct 28, 2020, 02:42 PM   #6302
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I don't know much about your specific car, but sometimes running a car a quart lower on oil can help mitigate some of those issues without installing catch cans and so forth...



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Uh... How about never doing that.
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Old Oct 28, 2020, 02:50 PM   #6303
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Uh... How about never doing that.
What do you think is going to happen?
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What do you think is going to happen?
Higher possibility of oil starvation?

When you start to add way more cornering grip, you also increase the chance of oil starvation. Running an engine like his 25% lower on oil would be insane. They even have systems that have an oil reservoir that will inject more oil on high cornering forces for cars that might be at a higher risk to starvation.
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Higher possibility of oil starvation?

When you start to add way more cornering grip, you also increase the chance of oil starvation. Running an engine like his 25% lower on oil would be insane. They even have systems that have an oil reservoir that will inject more oil on high cornering forces for cars that might be at a higher risk to starvation.
You will not starve a motor with 3/4th filled. If a motor is going to have starvation at 3/4's of a fill, then it will already have an issue at full fill (and there are some cars like that but it's mostly old cars). Most modern cars have some level of baffling in the oil pans today off the showroom floor, and some even have some in other areas of the oil paths as well. If you try to do something like this on a car from the 1970's, yea, that could be a bad idea (however, you are likely to run into a lot other different problems) but it's a valid thing that a lot of track-rats use.

If you look at the AutoX forums, you'll see it's a common thing.
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You will not starve a motor with 3/4th filled. If a motor is going to have starvation at 3/4's of a fill, then it will already have an issue at full fill (and there are some cars like that but it's mostly old cars). Most modern cars have some level of baffling in the oil pans today off the showroom floor, and some even have some in other areas of the oil paths as well. If you try to do something like this on a car from the 1970's, yea, that could be a bad idea (however, you are likely to run into a lot other different problems) but it's a valid thing that a lot of track-rats use.

If you look at the AutoX forums, you'll see it's a common thing.
Yeah... I'm not buying that one bit. My 2019 Golf R doesn't even have a baffled oil pan. I do know baffled oil pans are a thing, don't get me wrong there. I just don't think they are as common as you are claiming. If i ran my R 1 qt low the low oil warning light would be screaming at me the whole time. I think the engineers would be smart enough and have good reason to pick the oil levels they did.

I'd love to see some of these threads. Can't be hard to find if it's a common thing.
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I believe Majik is a little confused.

For autocross and track use, it's common to ADD 1/2 or 1qt of oil for many cars. NOT run a quart low. Just...don't do that. Fortunately, I think most people will have enough common sense not to.

If you're leaking oil, or finding excessive amount of oil in the intake...fix the problem that's causing it or install a catch can. It's a much easier problem to deal with than replacing main bearings in the motor.
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Old Oct 29, 2020, 04:02 PM   #6308
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I'd love to see some of these threads. Can't be hard to find if it's a common thing.
I'm not going to do research for you. If you don't care, don't worry about it. However, you can browse Miata, S2K and even the Grassroots forums for similar tricks. It's not necessarily 1 quart less, it really depends on the capacity of the car. For example, if the car's capacity is 3 quarts, then 1 quart less is not a good option. If the car has a 7-8 quart capacity (think BMW's), 1 quart is proportionally not a problem. It's more a proportions decision but the general idea is to run less than full oil to keep it from leaving the main oil system into other areas of the engine where it doesn't belong *if* you don't plan to add additional baffling than what was provided off the showroom floor (or catch cans).
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I'm not going to do research for you. If you don't care, don't worry about it. However, you can browse Miata, S2K and even the Grassroots forums for similar tricks. It's not necessarily 1 quart less, it really depends on the capacity of the car. For example, if the car's capacity is 3 quarts, then 1 quart less is not a good option. If the car has a 7-8 quart capacity (think BMW's), 1 quart is proportionally not a problem. It's more a proportions decision but the general idea is to run less than full oil to keep it from leaving the main oil system into other areas of the engine where it doesn't belong *if* you don't plan to add additional baffling than what was provided off the showroom floor (or catch cans).
Yeah, I'm doing some research and I'm just not running into anything that says that.

https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/ar...lippery-slope/
https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/ar...treet-and-aut/
https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/ar...il-track-and-/

Can't find anything in all my googling.
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Old Oct 29, 2020, 04:22 PM   #6310
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I believe Majik is a little confused.

For autocross and track use, it's common to ADD 1/2 or 1qt of oil for many cars.
For older cars (like many late 80's and early 90's, yes). You'll see this for some of the older BMW's which need a little more oil to help with their starvation. For newer cars, they can get oil sloshed into the intake which then gets re-ingested and out the exhaust. A common fix is to run a little less oil to keep it from sloshing up there.

Yes, it is better to either add a catch can or baffling to control it, but a quick fix is to run less oil. This is mainly for track cars or for autoX which have longer sustain cornering rather than some of the small quick direction change autox setups.

It's same thing as those who have this issue and half the day through it stops. Why? Because the excess oil has already made its way into the intake and what's left which is lower now doesn't have the volume to make it that far (until the driver tops it back off).
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I'll give you one link as I'm not going to search the internet for you:

http://986forum.com/forums/542148-post7.html

As mentioned, baffling is the right way to do it but a little lower oil can be done depending on the car.
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No, that is not just for older cars. Newer cars too.

It's literally in the owners manual in the C5 Vette's to ADD 1qt before doing any performance driving. It's even more important in anything with an LS3 (08-2013) that's not a Grand Sport. The oil pans have even worse baffling and the oil tends to pool in the heads/block and not make it back into the pan in time for proper scavenging. This is the entire reason the GrandSport model added the dry sump system and much higher capacity from the ZO6 in 2011.

I understand that some cars may have adequate enough capacity and baffling to mitigate the issues, and then have enough overhead to then remove some capacity and still be ok...but why risk it? That's absolutely ridiculous.

Anyone doing that better be VERY intimate with the car and it's oiling system to even remotely consider doing something like that.
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I understand that some cars may have adequate enough capacity and baffling to mitigate the issues, and then have enough overhead to then remove some capacity and still be ok...but why risk it? That's absolutely ridiculous.
The simple truth is that an engine is not going to seize up from running little less than full.
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The simple truth is that an engine is not going to seize up from running little less than full.
Seize up?

You sum up everything I said with saying the engine isn't going to "seize up"?

Wow...well, you're right. It's so fortunate that as long as the engine doesn't lock up completely, it's good to go.
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Seize up?

You sum up everything I said with saying the engine isn't going to "seize up"?

Wow...well, you're right. It's so fortunate that as long as the engine doesn't lock up completely, it's good to go.
It's no different than inferring your single experience with inadequate Chevrolet designs are the same as the rest of the car realm. You insinuate that every statement covers "everything" when yes there are always exceptions to the rule. Yes, some Chevy engines have oil problems. Never said they didn't. However, those are exceptions, not the norm. The fact that "some" people run their cars with a little lower than full oil to prevent oil ingestion issues is a fact. Those might not be Corvette owners, great, I agree with you there. Go take your chill pills.
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The fact that "some" people run their cars with a little lower than full oil to prevent oil ingestion issues is a fact.
You should be a politician. Looks like they are really good at stating facts with no proof to back up their claims.
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It's no different than inferring your single experience with inadequate Chevrolet designs are the same as the rest of the car realm. You insinuate that every statement covers "everything" when yes there are always exceptions to the rule.
Actually, it's very different. I never implied it would be the case for all cars. I used a personal example as a reference to the fact that it's not always the case in modern cars. You know, the very thing you're refusing to do. In fact, I then addressed exactly what you just claimed.

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I understand that some cars may have adequate enough capacity and baffling to mitigate the issues, and then have enough overhead to then remove some capacity and still be ok...but why risk it? That's absolutely ridiculous.

Anyone doing that better be VERY intimate with the car and it's oiling system to even remotely consider doing something like that.
The problem is, YOU are always running under the assumption that you know everything and keep assuming you know what everyone else is doing or thinking, and rarely read or look at what you've even typed. You started at 1qt, then said 3/4 filled, then said it depends on capacity, then said "a little less than full". You also started in the 70's, then added later on the 80s and early 90's, then I show you more modern examples.

It makes me wonder if you've even changed your own oil before. But sure, I'll take my chill pill.
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Great, I'm glad we're on the same page. Finally.
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Ah, a Dorito owner, It all makes sense now.
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Ah, a Dorito owner, It all makes sense now.
Luckily, that thing has been gone for years. Unfortunately, the engine stand still gets use as the race motor for the S2k is on it at the moment.
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Nice. They have the lighting in their showroom to make it look perfect
What did it cost?
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Nice. They have the lighting in their showroom to make it look perfect
What did it cost?
Yes, it does not look like that on my garage

It was around $800 for the full package including paint, wheels, lights, windows, leather, plastics (inside, outside) and all other trims.

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Dropped the S3 off for service today, got an Allroad loaner, which is pretty nice.



I think I need new tires Autocross done a number on the P-Zeros. Need to get a set of track wheels too...
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Yes, it does not look like that on my garage

It was around $800 for the full package including paint, wheels, lights, windows, leather, plastics (inside, outside) and all other trims.

3 years protection.
looks great, for sure, but 800 bucks, ooof....
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looks great, for sure, but 800 bucks, ooof....
It's something done only every 3 years or so, it was worth it honestly. Also it protects against UV and bird droppings, a must here in Peru.
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Last Autocross event of the year, and my best of the 3 I've done. Came in 2nd in novice class to a Civic Type R in STU class (my S3 is in D Street). This is my last pass, which was my best pass. I was running after a guy in an RS3 so we talked between runs.
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Few days ago, put all new front brakes on the Ferd.

Rotors, calipers, pads, hoses.

Now, to get the air out of the ABS pump. Probably sometime this holiday weekend.

Next on the list is putting new seals in the ALH's injection pump.
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