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Old Dec 28, 2020, 07:43 AM   #1
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Old Dec 29, 2020, 02:19 PM   #3
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Not buying we will see new cards until sometime in 2022.
I agree with you. Ti and refresh to release in 21.
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I think the refresh cycle may depend on what Nvidia thinks AMD is doing. If they believe AMD is going to be releasing new designs on a yearly basis, then maybe they have to step up their efforts.

In terms of rasterization AMD is currently basically on par with Nvidia. Ampere wins at 4K, while RDNA2 wins at 1440P and below, so it just depends. Nvidia is a head on features, but another iteration may close a lot of the gap on the ray tracing side. We'll have to see what happens with AMD's DLSS alternative.

So, if RDNA3 comes out in a year, then Nvidia is going to need something to compete with. I get the impression that the company really does not want to be #2, or maybe even tied for #1. The truth of the matter is Nvidia has been able to coast for a long time now, and set whatever schedule they wanted, since AMD really wasn't competing at all beyond the midrange. If competition heats up, then product cycles may get shorter.
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Spot on Nagorak, agreed with your view of the market. AMD came back very strong and once they have a DLSS implementation they'll be even stronger so nV gotta play to win, no easy game now.
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Rtx 4080, the first true 4k card
By 4k I'm talking about pricing of course.
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I think the refresh cycle may depend on what Nvidia thinks AMD is doing. If they believe AMD is going to be releasing new designs on a yearly basis, then maybe they have to step up their efforts.

In terms of rasterization AMD is currently basically on par with Nvidia. Ampere wins at 4K, while RDNA2 wins at 1440P and below, so it just depends. Nvidia is a head on features, but another iteration may close a lot of the gap on the ray tracing side. We'll have to see what happens with AMD's DLSS alternative.

So, if RDNA3 comes out in a year, then Nvidia is going to need something to compete with. I get the impression that the company really does not want to be #2, or maybe even tied for #1. The truth of the matter is Nvidia has been able to coast for a long time now, and set whatever schedule they wanted, since AMD really wasn't competing at all beyond the midrange. If competition heats up, then product cycles may get shorter.
There are no RDNA2 cards in retail. It's basically a cluster**K. They can't get these cards out let alone thinking about RDNA3. TSMC are supposed to be making the wafers for them so they need to release the 6XXX in loads of numbers. Unfortunately they screwed the pooch with too many launches of consoles and Zen 3. You reap what you sow as they say. RDNA 3 maybe 2022 or 2023 at this rate.

Nvidia are basically laughing at this moment. AMD ray tracing? Don't think so. DLSS equivalent no where near. Being screwed by M$ and Sony maybe so. Consoles first, Zen 3 second and Radeon last. That's the way.
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Who cares, We can't buy this one yet unless you want pay 180% of the RRP.
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Not buying we will see new cards until sometime in 2022.
Lovelace is a repeat of the gtx 580 that was a fixed gtx 480 that took 8 months between them

Lovelace 4080 ti 14 to 18gb will be on TSMC 7nm in 6 to 9 months and there will never be a 3080 ti

they most likely had this ready to go to tape out when the Jacket lost them TSMC this time and had to switch to Samstung

it's most likely already taped out now
it will be 30% faster than a 3080 or maybe 3090 but be back to a 250 watt card
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nV will release a 3080Ti to go against the 6900XT..... unless the XT remains vaporware.
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nV will release a 3080Ti to go against the 6900XT..... unless the XT remains vaporware.
the 3000's are still vaporware also till you can buy one at a store without a camping tent and a blankie

and who is going to buy it with Lovelace soon

this gen is dead on non arrival for both NV & AMD GPU's
it's time to move on and i think NV will as they know AMD plans RDNA 3 in 2021
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the 3000's are still vaporware also till you can buy one at a store without a camping tent and a blankie

and who is going to buy it with Lovelace soon

this gen is dead on non arrival for both NV & AMD GPU's
it's time to move on and i think NV will as they know AMD plans RDNA 3 in 2021
How many guys here have a 3000 series card vs a 6000 series?

Not exactly a scientific poll but it does dispute your vaporware argument. TSMC is up to the hilt churning out console and Ryzen CPUs so Radeon took a back seat. Maybe nV did the right thing going with Samsung?

I know, can't get either... 2020.
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How many guys here have a 3000 series card vs a 6000 series?

Not exactly a scientific poll but it does dispute your vaporware argument. TSMC is up to the hilt churning out console and Ryzen CPUs so Radeon took a back seat. Maybe nV did the right thing going with Samsung?

I know, can't get either... 2020.
there both vaporware till they are in stock on Best buy, amazon or newegg for more than split second at a time

and if it takes 4 to 6 months for them to fix the stock i might as well wait for Navi 3 RDNA 3 at the end of the year when everyone has had the vaccine and is running all over being nuts and not buying PC parts
it will most likely take that long to fix 2077 also
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the 3000's are still vaporware also till you can buy one at a store without a camping tent and a blankie

and who is going to buy it with Lovelace soon

this gen is dead on non arrival for both NV & AMD GPU's
it's time to move on and i think NV will as they know AMD plans RDNA 3 in 2021
Bill just a few points.

1. You can't announce a launch and then don't do it and move on to the next generation. Investors get spooked you can't execute launches anymore, and share price tanks. Investors own companies not management.

2. AMD will have priced 6xx sales into next profit statement. No sales not good statement stock tanks.

3. Lisa Su announced the 6xxx series it's on her watch. Fail to deliver and she's gone. She also announced the 6xxx series would permeate down the stack aka 6700XT and below. No delivery erodes credibility.

4. What about all these 6xxx wafers AMD has ordered? TSMC want paying.

5. I don't think you can suddenly change to 5nm node production once you've agreed to 7nm for 6xxx series.

6. Phil Spencer doesn't expect console demand to reach supply until their Q4 which is April to June.

7. I ordered a 3090 on 15/12 delivered 17/12. So not vaporware although I accept your argument about AMD launching later. Never got near a 6900XT.

8. For what you paid for your 2080ti I think I got a bargain with my 3090

Same goes for Nvidia they signed a new deal with Samsung so that sounds like they are going to flesh out the 3xxx series through the stack at least. They have nothing to worry about at the moment as the 6900XT can't keep up in 4K. They don't need Lovelace they're spanking AMD up and down the stack ATM.

Forget RDNA3 it ain't coming till 2022 and then probably as an Instinct card. So are you sticking with the 2080ti for a year or so or are you going to flinch and get a LC 3090?
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Definitely not vaporware, there are just to many people buying then there are parts to supply. New cards are a long ways out, 2022 at the earliest. No way they are moving on when they are making a killing on these and will be for at least the next 6 months.
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Bill just a few points.

1. You can't announce a launch and then don't do it and move on to the next generation. Investors get spooked you can't execute launches anymore, and share price tanks. Investors own companies not management.

2. AMD will have priced 6xx sales into next profit statement. No sales not good statement stock tanks.

3. Lisa Su announced the 6xxx series it's on her watch. Fail to deliver and she's gone. She also announced the 6xxx series would permeate down the stack aka 6700XT and below. No delivery erodes credibility.

4. What about all these 6xxx wafers AMD has ordered? TSMC want paying.

5. I don't think you can suddenly change to 5nm node production once you've agreed to 7nm for 6xxx series.

6. Phil Spencer doesn't expect console demand to reach supply until their Q4 which is April to June.

7. I ordered a 3090 on 15/12 delivered 17/12. So not vaporware although I accept your argument about AMD launching later. Never got near a 6900XT.

8. For what you paid for your 2080ti I think I got a bargain with my 3090

Same goes for Nvidia they signed a new deal with Samsung so that sounds like they are going to flesh out the 3xxx series through the stack at least. They have nothing to worry about at the moment as the 6900XT can't keep up in 4K. They don't need Lovelace they're spanking AMD up and down the stack ATM.

Forget RDNA3 it ain't coming till 2022 and then probably as an Instinct card. So are you sticking with the 2080ti for a year or so or are you going to flinch and get a LC 3090?
1 = covid 19 .

2 = they will sell as many as they can make

3 = covid 19 again and the CPU's are doing a little better

4 = all wafers AMD has ordered are going to PS5's and Xbox's and some CPU's

5 = they are already doing 5nm apple 12 has it and i am sure AMD is testing it

6 = and thats why AMD can't make GPU

7 don't care the 3090 is nuts stupid to buy for 10% over a 3080 ( that you can't get a 3080 Strix . anywhere but ebay for 1500+ ) sorry but you can open the window to let the heat out to melt the ice caps

8 = nope i had that for 25+ months now and all thru the virus and still working well and only 250 watts

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Why bother in 6 to 9 months for a new GPU. There's no need AMD are still behind the curve. Churn out the lower end parts for next 12 moths or so and all is good. I don't like the jacket but he's not stupid. Hardly any 6xxx in the channel so why rush, no point.
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Old Dec 30, 2020, 05:43 PM   #25
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1 = covid 19 .

2 = they will sell as many as they can make

3 = covid 19 again and the CPU's are doing a little better

4 = all wafers AMD has ordered are going to PS5's and Xbox's and some CPU's

5 = they are already doing 5nm apple 12 has it and i am sure AMD is testing it

6 = and thats why AMD can't make GPU

7 don't care the 3090 is nuts stupid to buy for 10% over a 3080 ( that you can't get a 3080 Strix . anywhere but ebay for 1500+ ) sorry but you can open the window to let the heat out to melt the ice caps

8 = nope i had that for 25+ months now and all thru the virus and still working well and only 250 watts

we will know soon on January 11th when

https://www.techpowerup.com/275510/a...irtual-keynote

but they have been popping out CPU's every year and i bet they will " stay on target " for RDNA 3
Bill you're in denial.

1. Covid 19 applies to both. AMD 6xxx MIA.
2. Mute point as they can't make many
3. Agree CPU's doing better but we're talking about 6xxx cards.
4. They knew what the contract was that's down to AMD.
5. What about all the wafers you, Pax and NWR told me were coming for 6xxx series. Where are they?
6. 5nm? They can't produce cards at 7nm yet
7. From memory you spent $1,500 for your strix 2080ti and I spent $1,550 for my 3090. I'm not saying it's a great upgrade from 3080 but it's more than 50% faster than your card for not much more cost. Remember I'm coming from a 5700XT which is a wow upgrade.
8. RDNA 3 you're having a laugh they haven't properly launched 6xxx series or Zen 3 yet. I couldn't get a 5600X so bought a 3800X instead. Great CPU by the way.
9. Who cares about watts? Performance or watts lets see

Hopefully on 11th January she'll apologise for this clust****** of launches. Can't see it though.
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Old Dec 30, 2020, 07:24 PM   #26
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Bill you're in denial.

1. Covid 19 applies to both. AMD 6xxx MIA.
2. Mute point as they can't make many
3. Agree CPU's doing better but we're talking about 6xxx cards.
4. They knew what the contract was that's down to AMD.
5. What about all the wafers you, Pax and NWR told me were coming for 6xxx series. Where are they?
6. 5nm? They can't produce cards at 7nm yet
7. From memory you spent $1,500 for your strix 2080ti and I spent $1,550 for my 3090. I'm not saying it's a great upgrade from 3080 but it's more than 50% faster than your card for not much more cost. Remember I'm coming from a 5700XT which is a wow upgrade.
8. RDNA 3 you're having a laugh they haven't properly launched 6xxx series or Zen 3 yet. I couldn't get a 5600X so bought a 3800X instead. Great CPU by the way.
9. Who cares about watts? Performance or watts lets see

Hopefully on 11th January she'll apologise for this clust****** of launches. Can't see it though.
I don't think anyone planed on these feeding frenzy sales when they made these deals

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in the US the PS5 managed to sell 1,389,963 units, with a similar amount (1,150,889) sold in Europe.

The second best performing console in the US was the Xbox Series X and S (988,641), followed not too far behind by the Switch (818,414).


https://www.express.co.uk/entertainm...%20(818%2C414).
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Old Dec 31, 2020, 06:51 AM   #27
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How many guys here have a 3000 series card vs a 6000 series?
to be fair considering nV has had a ~2month head start i think you know the answer to that question

and i do have to agree with bill, outside of overpriced($2400) 3090s, 3080/3070s have been vapourware in my neck of the woods. Ive been trying to get one locally since launch
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Old Dec 31, 2020, 07:30 AM   #28
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Who's fault is it that the 3080 had a ~2 month headstart though? Especially if it's vapourware, that 2 months shouldn't matter then..

The 3080 was definitely vapourware the first month, I give you that. I think things have slowly been getting better since. I see a good amount of people running 3000 series cards now. The NV cards I've at least been able to get multiple in my cart or in checkout. I haven't even seen a AMD card in stock once..
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Who's fault is it that the 3080 had a ~2 month headstart though? Especially if it's vapourware, that 2 months shouldn't matter then..

The 3080 was definitely vapourware the first month, I give you that. I think things have slowly been getting better since. I see a good amount of people running 3000 series cards now. The NV cards I've at least been able to get multiple in my cart or in checkout. I haven't even seen a AMD card in stock once..
i dont care whos fault it is, acroig asked a question and i replied to it. Common sense would dictate that there are more users with a 3000 series card vs amd cards, since well they been around 2 months longer. Thats fabulous you can get multiple cards in your cart, like i said in my post tho, i can only get overpriced 3090s in my cart locally, No 3080s, no amd cards etc
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If it was vapourware then no one was able to purchase them for 2 months. Maybe you need to grab a dictionary if you wanna have an attitude.
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