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Old May 18, 2019, 05:48 PM   #31
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Isn't this supposed to be the Navi Forum?? There's a CPU forum to talk about Zen 2


Not according to the thread title.
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Not according to the thread title.
Fair enough just read the thread title Can't say I'm over excited with either Zen 2 or Navi TBH. Heatsink fan on the chipset WTF AMD. Navi is still GCN which is a bust so they need to find a new Arc which hopefully comes with 'next gen' card. Here's hoping.
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NAVI no, Zen 2 hell yes, what’s the big deal with a fan? I just want to know if it craps all over intel with no VD attached. Still say you should have waited.
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I use custom water, so I'm curious to see what these mono blocks are going to look like for these boards.

I'm ready! Zen 2 needs to come NOW!
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Since I already upgraded to Vega 56, so I'm interested to see how Zen 2 performs like.
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Fair enough just read the thread title Can't say I'm over excited with either Zen 2 or Navi TBH. Heatsink fan on the chipset WTF AMD. Navi is still GCN which is a bust so they need to find a new Arc which hopefully comes with 'next gen' card. Here's hoping.
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and if needed EK will make a block or asus may have a water cooled option like my old Maximus Formula had




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to bad they don't release the MB's now since they are backwards compatible

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This looks pretty legit given the source and that Sapphire are an AMD only partner. Read it and weep for all those folks who thought Navi was coming for $250 Obviously still a rumour!

https://wccftech.com/amd-navi-rx-308...9-2060-at-399/
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[quote=bill dennison;1338134125]you are in every zen 2 thread trying to justify your impatience



FYI I'm not trying to justify anything about my purchase. I am 100% happy with my new Ryzen 2700 and for the price I paid I think it's a steal. Unlike my 7700K I'm not on a dead platform so I can still upgrade to Zen 2 in the future as my Asus bios is already available. If Zen 2 doesn't turn out to be a great upgrade then hopefully Zen 3 will come out on the AM4 platform and I can upgrade to that. The way I see it is it's just win-win for me.

My bottleneck is the GPU and I'm not willing to spend £1,000 to improve that position. Unlike you Bill who whinged like there was no tomorrow about Nvidia fleecing everyone with their insane prices only to go and buy one and then try to justify it by saying you got a compensation payment so the cost was't an issue. What you fail to comprehend and lots of people pointed it out to you, is don't slag something off for being expensive and then buy it anyway. It's called hypocritical.

I was on a site last week (can't remember which one unfortunately) that was trying to temper the hype around Ryzen 2 and saying it expected the IPC gains to be between 5-10% not the 25% being touted. The 25% was in a specific business application and not gaming but people's expectation levels went up a few notches. TBH I don't think many people who own a Zen+ 2xxx will need to upgrade to a Zen 2 but if they own a 1xxx Ryzen I'm sure it will be a worthwhile upgrade. Just my 2c's
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This looks pretty legit given the source and that Sapphire are an AMD only partner. Read it and weep for all those folks who thought Navi was coming for $250 Obviously still a rumour!

https://wccftech.com/amd-navi-rx-308...9-2060-at-399/
if so they are DOA .

same price as the RTX 2060/70 without any ray tracing

for (performance that’s slightly better )
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you are in every zen 2 thread trying to justify your impatience



FYI I'm not trying to justify anything about my purchase. I am 100% happy with my new Ryzen 2700 and for the price I paid I think it's a steal. Unlike my 7700K I'm not on a dead platform so I can still upgrade to Zen 2 in the future as my Asus bios is already available. If Zen 2 doesn't turn out to be a great upgrade then hopefully Zen 3 will come out on the AM4 platform and I can upgrade to that. The way I see it is it's just win-win for me.

My bottleneck is the GPU and I'm not willing to spend £1,000 to improve that position. Unlike you Bill who whinged like there was no tomorrow about Nvidia fleecing everyone with their insane prices only to go and buy one and then try to justify it by saying you got a compensation payment so the cost was't an issue. What you fail to comprehend and lots of people pointed it out to you, is don't slag something off for being expensive and then buy it anyway. It's called hypocritical.

I was on a site last week (can't remember which one unfortunately) that was trying to temper the hype around Ryzen 2 and saying it expected the IPC gains to be between 5-10% not the 25% being touted. The 25% was in a specific business application and not gaming but people's expectation levels went up a few notches. TBH I don't think many people who own a Zen+ 2xxx will need to upgrade to a Zen 2 but if they own a 1xxx Ryzen I'm sure it will be a worthwhile upgrade. Just my 2c's
most of the leaks I have seen say 15% IPC

but faster clocks

i'm sure the 12 core will be a nice upgrade from my 1800x

and the 1800x is going out in the shed for a bike trainer

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and I can bitch about price all I want and still buy it

It's called being 60 and single with no rugrats i'm not going to leave anything for anybody

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https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/sa...-amd-navi.html

Not a good sign. $499 and competes with a 2070 at initial launch.
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Stupid pricing on AMD’s part for Navi if true, if the 2 camps are going to be this close in pricing then you are going to go with Nvidia, makes me worry that they may charge a premium for zen 2 as well. They seem to not want to gain market share.
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That article suggests it will be sitting between 2070 and 2080 so I'd expect the pricing to be about right for AMD.
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I don’t necessarily agree with the pricing strategy but I think I understand why they’re not trying to undercut on price out of the gate. My in laws ran a craft distillery for about 10 years and they had more success selling at a high price than a competitive price. Some consumers assume that if you are selling at a discount from the major brand then you must be offering less. If you are viewed as an off brand with a cheaper product then it is assumed that the product is inferior in some way rather than being a good, competitive deal.
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499$ is what happens when one gpu maker goes nuts and pushes prices too high so the only other gpu maker can up its own prices...

500$ the new mid range...
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499$ is what happens when one gpu maker goes nuts and pushes prices too high so the only other gpu maker can up its own prices...

500$ the new mid range...
Oh yeah it’s somehow NVs fault
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Oh yeah it’s somehow NVs fault
well they did break a grand first on a standard top end Ti card with a standard normal 30% increase over the old Ti
going from 699 to 1199 is almost a scorched earth policy


yes it is ****in NVidia fault .

they are being the flaming ****in dickweeds that they are and always have been

and because of AMD's lack of a card right now and the last 3 years they are getting away with it

for now but people will remember and if Intel or when AMD comes back with something good they will lose market share


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It’s the lack of competition that allows them to charge what they think the market can handle. Apparently there are enough people that don’t care to pay more than the normal price increase for the normal performance increase. Not for nothing but the fact you went and paid for it ruins any standing you have. It is what it is. If I had the money I’d purchase one too because **** it, who cares about principle, but at the end of the day NV is a company to make profit. AMD would do the same thing if they had a complete stranglehold on the high-end market.
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I don't know...2080 Ti is so overpriced an offered such a lackluster performance improvement that it's almost not worth it even if money is no object. I went ahead and got one because I saw one on Ebay for a "decent" price after Ebay Bucks cash back.

The truth is I'll never miss the money, but I still I don't feel like it's really done much for me. Then again, I play a lot of older games which makes it even more retarded. The card was a real champ running Dragon Age: Origins!!! Technically it's supposed to go to my VR box, and my 1080 Ti comes out to my main PC, so the purchase was not as absolutely stupid as it sounds. But my VR performance wasn't really bad, so...

The whole card is really just meh because it doesn't add much performance over 2 year old 1080 Ti. The increase in performance was at the edge of what would even justify selling the part (if it had been any lower there wouldn't have been any point to even release it). And RTX is basically of no real use right now, with only a few games having it, which you'll just blow through unless you're planning to play BF5 for hundreds of hours. Then on top of that, the difference in appearance vs the performance hit makes it debatable whether it's even worth it in many cases. And upscale filter DLSS.

Anyway, unlike the guys trying to justify their purchase, I won't even bother sugar coating it: The 2080 Ti was barely worth a buy in my book. On the plus side, I guess it beats just lighting hundred dollar bills on fire.

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It’s the lack of competition that allows them to charge what they think the market can handle. Apparently there are enough people that don’t care to pay more than the normal price increase for the normal performance increase. Not for nothing but the fact you went and paid for it ruins any standing you have. It is what it is. If I had the money I’d purchase one too because **** it, who cares about principle, but at the end of the day NV is a company to make profit. AMD would do the same thing if they had a complete stranglehold on the high-end market.
I don't think they would go neer as far as nv has

but we will see in a week on the cpu side maybe in 3000 pricing
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Totally right guys. Nv only charged such prices due to lack of competition. Secondly, 2080ti is barely worth upgrading to at 1080ti launch price, let alone this stupid increase.

Bill, you are the problem that allows Nv to justify raising prices.

Fist bump to KAC for not selling out this gen - word up dawg.
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Bill, you are the problem that allows Nv to justify raising prices.

Fist bump to KAC for not selling out this gen - word up dawg.
Bill was late to the 2080Ti party, others bought way before he did as he was holding out for Asus.
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Even worse.


BTW Strix isn't even an 'A' chip [unless you have the advance model]. Better off with reference.
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BTW Strix isn't even an 'A' chip [unless you have the advance model]. Better off with reference.
my strix oc is doing just fine and is a A chip

and the Strix has much better cooling (not needing water like a reference ) and less likely to have coil whine


as for me justify raising prices

they have had low RTX sales with the higher prices and their stock is down
it has been 9 months and no price drop and is not going to happen .

the next one will be the same price .


but go ahead and wait till hell freezes over and never upgrade
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I really hope that all of these 4.6ghz+ rumors are true.
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At this rate I dont think Intel can or will want to do anything about pricing either. They will up their prices as well as amd to follow Nvidia. We need another big 4rth gpu maker to come in and put real pressure on prices.
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Over 50% faster than a TR 1950x?

Seems a bit much...
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