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Old Sep 19, 2017, 11:10 AM   #151
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Since you guys are smarter than me at this, how fast can these chips get before they run so hot it's not feasible anymore?

I don't think I'm asking the question right, but it's obvious it can't be cooled with a fan, so there has to be a point that increases speed is no longer a benefit.
That changes every time they make the process smaller, and if they make the die larger, then that changes it as well.
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Old Sep 19, 2017, 11:37 AM   #152
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with how much faster the iPhone X is they can really artificially slow down the 7+
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The biggest take away from that chart is that Macbook pro is a total rip of slab of garbage. I do have a macbook pro btw the acutal quad core one, not the gimped dual core. Like I've sad before the chip is quick but running ios in it's current form is pointless. Just look at the iphone 8 reviews out today vs a 7plus in terms of perceived speed. With the 6s still being sold in the line up, this kind of chip performance just screams that the iphone 8 will be in the apple store in 2021.

I will be getting 2 xs btw as my wife is an itard and after all it will be a good phone.
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Old Sep 19, 2017, 10:08 PM   #154
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The biggest take away from that chart is that Macbook pro is a total rip of slab of garbage. I do have a macbook pro btw the acutal quad core one, not the gimped dual core. Like I've sad before the chip is quick but running ios in it's current form is pointless. Just look at the iphone 8 reviews out today vs a 7plus in terms of perceived speed. With the 6s still being sold in the line up, this kind of chip performance just screams that the iphone 8 will be in the apple store in 2021.

I will be getting 2 xs btw as my wife is an itard and after all it will be a good phone.
Ya. apple needs to compete with the high end to low end phones. This current line up offers a great phone at any price range. My 6S Plus from 2 years ago still smokes the S8 that came out this year in single core performance.
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Im not really familiar with iOS, I have one question. With all those SoC power with multicore does iOS allows multitasking? Like multiwindows one apps with another? Watching videos on one side while browser on the other?
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On the iPad.
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iOS 11 installed on my 6S Plus.

At first it was janky. The phone got hot as hell while updating.

Updated the apps since I waited until the OS was installed. Gave it like an hour and everything was buttery smooth. I guess it was re-indexing or something.

It feels faster than 10.3.

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ios11 has given my 6+ and air2 new life. Both are smooth as heck now and the new keyboard is pretty sweet. I may not get an iPad Pro after all....
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Today will be about battery life.

All iOS 11 did was prove I don't need the 8 Plus.

I just hope the battery holds up for another year.
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All iOS 11 did was prove I don't need the 8 Plus.

I just hope the battery holds up for another year.
I’m fighting that upgrade bug too lol.
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With the Verizon monthly plan I have, I can upgrade to a new iPhone every year, as long as the current one is 50% paid off. So I'm keeping my current monthly payment for my 7+ 256 and getting an 8+ 256. Kinda like leasing your phone, I guess, since if you keep upgrading every year you never pay anything off.
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I have the same option with T-mo’s jump plan. I just don’t need a third mortgage right now
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Ya, having a hard time wrapping my mind around always having a payment for a phone. Somehow it shouldn't be like that.

Part of me thinks that Apple is charging a ridiculous amount for the X because they figure people can trade in their phones and the price isn't really that high after the trades. But who knows.

All I know is that the 8 is now $50 more expensive for the base model which seems absurd. But that A11 chip though.
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Ya, having a hard time wrapping my mind around always having a payment for a phone. Somehow it shouldn't be like that.

Part of me thinks that Apple is charging a ridiculous amount for the X because they figure people can trade in their phones and the price isn't really that high after the trades. But who knows.

All I know is that the 8 is now $50 more expensive for the base model which seems absurd. But that A11 chip though.
Well it really depends on your usage. Are you doing the heavy tasks on that require that much heavy cpu usage. I don't game on my phone, I don't edit huge videos or convert videos. All those benchmarks don't mean crap for my usage. I use my phone to make calls text, take quick pics, and social media, read documents, make reminders and check email. NONE of those things require the processing power of the a11. I think that's what most people do with their phones at best. The only reason to move outta a iphone 7 is because you want a better form factor and an oled screen.
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I want the OLED screen for sure but having the A11 doesnt hurt at all. I actually do all those things on my phone. I game pretty often on my phone(usually right before I go to bed, something like The Room is calming before I go to sleep) and I do edit videos slightly on my phone. DJI has an app for its drones where you can combine shots and add stuff to the video so I do that whenever I go shooting with my drone. Of course all that is on top of the regular stuff except the social media postings cause I dont do social media.

It also doesnt help to be future proof for whatever games or apps that come out the can take advantage of whatever power is there. Sort of like getting a 1080ti... sure I could do with a 970 or something but why not get the 1080ti?

As far as the price goes... its going to be par for the course going forward. As soon as Apple raises the prices and sells a ton Samsung will do the same. Lets see the price of the S9 and Note 9 when they hit... I guarantee a price hike is coming across the board. I read an article that said the OLED screen is costing Apple an arm and leg from Samsung so they raised the price of the X, but that doesnt explain the 50 dollar price hike across the board. Maybe they wanted to keep their margins up so they take the hit on the X OLED a bit and raise the price on their lower phones and they stay where they are on their margins without going down. Im assuming all of this but who knows?

Apple wouldnt sell nearly the same amount of phones if people had to come out of pocket for the phone on day 1. As far as the price raising hurting sales... it wont because of that reason. People are already paying monthly for their phones so whats an extra 5-10 bucks a month on top of that? Hypothetically if your phone bill was 100 bucks a month and it would make your bill 110 for the newest stuff most people would do that deal.
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I want the OLED screen for sure but having the A11 doesnt hurt at all. I actually do all those things on my phone. I game pretty often on my phone(usually right before I go to bed, something like The Room is calming before I go to sleep) and I do edit videos slightly on my phone. DJI has an app for its drones where you can combine shots and add stuff to the video so I do that whenever I go shooting with my drone. Of course all that is on top of the regular stuff except the social media postings cause I dont do social media.

It also doesnt help to be future proof for whatever games or apps that come out the can take advantage of whatever power is there. Sort of like getting a 1080ti... sure I could do with a 970 or something but why not get the 1080ti?

As far as the price goes... its going to be par for the course going forward. As soon as Apple raises the prices and sells a ton Samsung will do the same. Lets see the price of the S9 and Note 9 when they hit... I guarantee a price hike is coming across the board. I read an article that said the OLED screen is costing Apple an arm and leg from Samsung so they raised the price of the X, but that doesnt explain the 50 dollar price hike across the board. Maybe they wanted to keep their margins up so they take the hit on the X OLED a bit and raise the price on their lower phones and they stay where they are on their margins without going down. Im assuming all of this but who knows?

Apple wouldnt sell nearly the same amount of phones if people had to come out of pocket for the phone on day 1. As far as the price raising hurting sales... it wont because of that reason. People are already paying monthly for their phones so whats an extra 5-10 bucks a month on top of that? Hypothetically if your phone bill was 100 bucks a month and it would make your bill 110 for the newest stuff most people would do that deal.
The room 3 ran without lag on a iphone 6 lol. Yea maybe some future games might load a bit faster. Future proofing? Come on theres a new phone every year lol. As for comparing it to pc parts, its not much different you buy what you can actually use and what you can afford. That should be the guideline but that's been out the window. Yea the X definitely costs apple more to make and them margins need to remain cushy. The max brightness on the OLed for the x is troublesome. It's no where close to what the s series has been pumping out for the past 2 years I think. I wonder why that is.

The X imo is apples response to pressure from the market. They could of kept on making the iphone 6 many more generations but sales would eventually see a decline. You hold any android flagship these days then hold an 7 or 8 and it feels like your using something from 4-5 years ago , because you almost are.
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The room 3 ran without lag on a iphone 6 lol. Yea maybe some future games might load a bit faster. Future proofing? Come on theres a new phone every year lol. As for comparing it to pc parts, its not much different you buy what you can actually use and what you can afford. That should be the guideline but that's been out the window. Yea the X definitely costs apple more to make and them margins need to remain cushy. The max brightness on the OLed for the x is troublesome. It's no where close to what the s series has been pumping out for the past 2 years I think. I wonder why that is.

The X imo is apples response to pressure from the market. They could of kept on making the iphone 6 many more generations but sales would eventually see a decline. You hold any android flagship these days then hold an 7 or 8 and it feels like your using something from 4-5 years ago , because you almost are.
But the Room 4 is coming out soon Got to make sure my games runs at a nice smooth framerate(even though I have no control lol) The OLED will help a ton in that game.

Apple does have to move with the market and Im sure the X is a response. My brother has the S8 and it feels nice in hand and the screen is really nice. Once the 10 comes out it will be on par with Samsung in terms of screen and feel on the hardware side again. Im sure the glass they put on the new phones make them feel better in hand as well.
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But the Room 4 is coming out soon Got to make sure my games runs at a nice smooth framerate(even though I have no control lol) The OLED will help a ton in that game.

Apple does have to move with the market and Im sure the X is a response. My brother has the S8 and it feels nice in hand and the screen is really nice. Once the 10 comes out it will be on par with Samsung in terms of screen and feel on the hardware side again. Im sure the glass they put on the new phones make them feel better in hand as well.
Samsung will always be ahead in hardware (outside of the cpu/gpu) and in overall features. The s8/note8 were a safe play probably due to the whole note 7 thing. I know a few people in the samsung mobile division it's gonna be interesting.
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Samsung will always be ahead in hardware (outside of the cpu/gpu) and in overall features. The s8/note8 were a safe play probably due to the whole note 7 thing. I know a few people in the samsung mobile division it's gonna be interesting.
You never know as Apple tries to move away from samsung parts and manufacturing they may be able to leapfrog them with the right partners. Apple invested in LG so they are definitely trying to get away from samsung oleds.
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You never know as Apple tries to move away from samsung parts and manufacturing they may be able to leapfrog them with the right partners. Apple invested in LG so they are definitely trying to get away from samsung oleds.
Until there's money to be made they won't. In apple's eyes they just need to maintain until they have to do something. It's somewhat brilliant what they can get away with. Take fast charging for example. You have to buy a lighting to usb c then buy a macbook charger lol? A 1000 dollar phone that doesn't even come with a charger that fast charges the phone when it's a feature of the phone.
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Until there's money to be made they won't. In apple's eyes they just need to maintain until they have to do something. It's somewhat brilliant what they can get away with. Take fast charging for example. You have to buy a lighting to usb c then buy a macbook charger lol? A 1000 dollar phone that doesn't even come with a charger that fast charges the phone when it's a feature of the phone.
Nor natively plugs into a Macbook since they are all usb-c. STILL on basic USb speeds.
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Nor natively plugs into a Macbook since they are all usb-c. STILL on basic USb speeds.
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2716 mAh, 3GB RAM, 2.4GHz clock

That's 45% bigger battery than the iPhone 8, in a smaller casing. Wow.

https://www.macrumors.com/2017/09/26...ry-3gb-of-ram/
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Well at least theres some justification for the higher price tag. Samsung getting their money and these higher capacity batteries. If they could fit a higher capacity battery in a smaller size they should have just put thos batteries in the 8 and 8 plus too. I guess they didnt want the 8 and 8+ battery life to outshine the iPhone X.
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Well at least theres some justification for the higher price tag. Samsung getting their money and these higher capacity batteries. If they could fit a higher capacity battery in a smaller size they should have just put thos batteries in the 8 and 8 plus too. I guess they didnt want the 8 and 8+ battery life to outshine the iPhone X.
But doesn't having OLED give it more room since LED has to have a layer for backlighting?
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But doesn't having OLED give it more room since LED has to have a layer for backlighting?
Im not sure of the internals. The phone itself is only slightly thicker so Im guessing they found other ways to make it fit.
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