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Old Aug 5, 2020, 09:33 PM   #181
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I dont think we will see mid range from either side this year in terms of actual launch. We may get a 3070 level card this year but I even doubt that to be honest. I think we are looking at 3080 + cards only same with AMD
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I dont think we will see mid range from either side this year in terms of actual launch. We may get a 3070 level card this year but I even doubt that to be honest. I think we are looking at 3080 + cards only same with AMD
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I am wondering if I should wait till both are released or just go ahead and grab the 3080 Ti on release.

I am a Gsync junkie so it is important for me. However there is no game coming out that interests me enough to not wait.
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Or the 4000 series will crush the RDNA3 because Nvidia have shown historically they can regardless of how "revolutionary" AMD was (HBM2, etc..)


See. Bad News goes both ways, Billy.
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See. Bad News goes both ways, Billy.



well when it comes to MCM and chiplets i would think AMD will have a huge advantage because of Ryzen


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well when it comes to MCM and chiplets i would think AMD will have a huge advantage because of Ryzen


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So Billy, gimme a price prediction on that watercooled monster card from AMD. $1,200? More?
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I doubt they will go with water cooling, but I do hope they spend some considerable effort with the stock cooler.
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So Billy, gimme a price prediction on that watercooled monster card from AMD. $1,200? More?
depends on speed like always

if it is 50% faster than a 2080 ti then yes 999 Air 1199 Water both 16gb then i could see it in this post RTX market

and would buy the water one in a heartbeat
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If they have to resort to water cooling then that suggests they aren't confident in competing that well.

They had to offer a water cooled Vega 64 just to make some kind of presence in the high end, and even then it wasn't enough.
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They had to offer a water cooled Vega 64 just to make some kind of presence in the high end, and even then it wasn't enough.


no one said they did just that they may have that option

and you better watch out to see what that 400+ watt 3080 ti monster need first before walking out on that limb
maybe it can sideline as a air popper also

i like water and would hope for a full water block option or one that could be converted to run in a full water loop
and not have to wait 2 months for aftermarket

and my Fury x were the best reference cards i have had in years NV or AMD
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I can't wait for official info.
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Talk of RDNA2 water cool reference card + big memory + RDNA3 hype so soon makes me worry that AMD is going to fumble again this round.
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Talk of RDNA2 water cool reference card + big memory + RDNA3 hype so soon makes me worry that AMD is going to fumble again this round.
Well it's just people speculating with no real info, so I wouldn't let it affect your opinion either way.
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If they have to resort to water cooling then that suggests they aren't confident in competing that well.

They had to offer a water cooled Vega 64 just to make some kind of presence in the high end, and even then it wasn't enough.
Yeh that's how I see it too. If they need to water cool their card, that means it's pushed to its limits out of the box. Forget about nice OC's.
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Yeh that's how I see it too. If they need to water cool their card, that means it's pushed to its limits out of the box. Forget about nice OC's.
Just like the Ryzen CPUs give you all they got out of the box.
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Purely on a marketing perspective, when I see watercooler, I think overly inefficient, hot, and cheating to win.
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Just like the Ryzen CPUs give you all they got out of the box.
few OC anymore anyway

and Ryzen even is better without a OC

and NV started boost clocks and they have been getting closer and closer to the max for both NV and AMD every gen
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Purely on a marketing perspective, when I see watercooler, I think overly inefficient, hot, and cheating to win.

and i see cool and quiet

and doesn't mean it is required
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few OC anymore anyway

and Ryzen even is better without a OC

and NV started boost clocks and they have been getting closer and closer to the max for both NV and AMD every gen
Where did you come up with that statement that few OC anyways?
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Where did you come up with that statement that few OC anyways?
Ryzen chips are better left to auto clocks. Manual OC rarely yields any significant gain.
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From what I saw of my 2080 Ti, you also don't really gain much performance by overclocking 2000 series either. Maybe 5-10% at best, at like 30% higher power consumption. AMD and Nvidia have basically caught on and are now optimizing their products to not leave much, if any, extra performance on the table.

My prediction is next gen has next to no overclocking potential regardless of the chip manufacturer.
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I think a lot of Ryzen owners just try and crank up the memory speeds as much as they can...it loves faster memory.
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Yeah that was my thinking when I built my system. Decided to just go for 3600MHz memory instead of 3200MHz and not worry about OC'ing the CPU.

Also, I didn't try messing with OC'ing much at all, but from what I did play with I found increasing vcore to my 3700X would actually lose performance (Cinebench score went down) so not sure it would be worth trying. Mine is boosting close to 4.4GHz out of the box anyways so figured don't mess with it.
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From what I saw of my 2080 Ti, you also don't really gain much performance by overclocking 2000 series either. Maybe 5-10% at best, at like 30% higher power consumption. AMD and Nvidia have basically caught on and are now optimizing their products to not leave much, if any, extra performance on the table.

My prediction is next gen has next to no overclocking potential regardless of the chip manufacturer.

In regards to Nvidia - They have definitely caught on, but not in the way you describe. They caught on by severely limiting the cards max power throughput. I'm pretty sure if the 2080Ti was given a 500 watt max power - it'd boost to 2.3 to 2.4GHz.
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Even if they allowed that, and the boost clocks were what you say, I don't know that I'd consider almost doubling power consumption to gain ~10% performance to be a "good overclock". To me that's more reflective of a product that's already shipped at the very edge of its efficiency sweet spot, with not a whole lot left on the table.

There's also the question of how well the chip would hold up being fed 500w? The limit may not be Nvidia being mean, so much as to prevent people from doing something stupid. There are certainly plenty of people who have managed to burn out their CPU by feeding it a ridiculous amount of voltage, so it's a legitimate consideration.
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Gamers Nexus says the 3000 series is going to launch on September 9th. They say they were told directly by board manufacturers.
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