Ryzen 5000 and beyond

[KAC]

A lot of people reporting that MCs are well stocked with 5600 and 5800 series processors. If that fancies you might be a good time to either visit or reach out to someone who can pick one up for you and ship. There is also the occasional 5900 and 5950 available.

FYI.

[Riptide]

Dallas micro center had ONE 5600x left in the case when I was there yesterday afternoon around 1PM CDT. No other 5000 series there in stock.

[KAC]

Price hike mother****ers.

[acroig]

Originally Posted by KAC

Price hike mother****ers.

They want $200 for a 3600 (not X) when I paid $150 for it back in September.

[Nascar24]

Sale prices are retail prices. Looks like a sham to me.

[SSXeon]

Just a heads up, Bestbuy has both the 5600X and 5800X instock. I just ordered a 5800X. Will be here tuesday!


Edit:


BTW keep checking in, here is a good live video to help anyone trying to buy.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tvt3HwrMLAo




All sold out now, hope some of you got one.

[KAC]

Good price for a secondary rig.



Can grab this for 1770 bucks. Gay paid 2235 for it 1 week ago. He needs to leave country and wants to sell. Wdygt? Was thinking about it as a mining plus gaming computer for my son. Comes with receipts and stuff.

[acroig]

Originally Posted by KAC

Good price for a secondary rig.

Can grab this for 1770 bucks. Gay paid 2235 for it 1 week ago. He needs to leave country and wants to sell. Wdygt? Was thinking about it as a mining plus gaming computer for my son. Comes with receipts and stuff.

Good equipment, sound like a good price in your area. Hit it up?

[KAC]

Yup you can’t make the same rig any cheaper. I even looked at prices online on Newegg and with tax and shipping it will cost 2000+ to build the exact same thing. Locally $2235 is the price. Maybe can shave off a $100 by negotiation. So $1770 seems pretty good. Also saw an online build and cost was $1650 for very similar parts. Only a bit weary of the Zotac dual fan card.

Only consideration I have is if I can pickup Intel kit that is cheaper than this (like a 9900K) and just buy a scalped 3070 at about 700 bucks? Might end up cheaper than this setup.

[acroig]

Originally Posted by KAC

Only consideration I have is if I can pickup Intel kit that is cheaper than this (like a 9900K) and just buy a scalped 3070 at about 700 bucks? Might end up cheaper than this setup.

But isn't the 5600X better than a 9900K?

[KAC]

Better is subjective. I am not doing any productivity on this.

[acroig]

Originally Posted by KAC

Better is subjective. I am not doing any productivity on this.

Oh I meant for gaming at stock. You planning on OCing the heck out of the 9900K?

[KAC]

Always lol.

[Nunz]

9900K is basically guaranteed 5Ghz all-core. I'd take that all day over a 5600X for a gaming system.

If it's a P0 stepping chip, you should be able to get 5.1-5.2Ghz all-core at decent voltages if you have good cooling.

[Shapeshifter]

seeing more warhol/zen 3+ talk over the last couple of weeks on some discord channels and twitter from some of the usual leakers.

https://twitter.com/_rogame/status/1353346068411518978

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Speculation
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If I had to guess what could a Zen3/Zen3+ refresh look like:

> New IOD for better FCLK & Memory
> Slightly tweaked clocks (5GHz dream
Grinning face with smiling eyes
)
> 5C & 7C dual CCD configs as these are now supported
> Maybe some small tweaks under the hood

https://twitter.com/_rogame/status/1353350361063555073

I can't say for sure. Zen3+ is a thing last I checked. The easy route would be to go AM4 which is mature enough bios & features wise. The hard route would be a new AM5 platform with DDR5 and all first gen problems.

My bet is on AM4

[KAC]

Decided to not go ahead with the purchase since my kid has GCSE exams coming up. Don’t need him distracted with a computer in his room. If he does well in his exams then maybe I can purchase a RKL rig for myself and give him the 5900X RGB disco.

[SSXeon]

Originally Posted by Nunz

9900K is basically guaranteed 5Ghz all-core. I'd take that all day over a 5600X for a gaming system.

If it's a P0 stepping chip, you should be able to get 5.1-5.2Ghz all-core at decent voltages if you have good cooling.

Some people still like air cooling....

Got my 5800X and it is a dream, gained like 30fps in destiny 2. Will try cyberpunk soon, as that game is very CPU intensive.


And Congrats KAC, that looks like a pretty sweet setup.

[Nunz]

The Noctua D15 can easily cool a 9900K at 5Ghz all-core, even a shitty bin. For all the FUD spread about it "running hot" none of it was really true, unless all you do is run Prime95 w/ AVX.

[SSXeon]

Originally Posted by Nunz

The Noctua D15 can easily cool a 9900K at 5Ghz all-core, even a shitty bin. For all the FUD spread about it "running hot" none of it was really true, unless all you do is run Prime95 w/ AVX.

Well sh!t you got me, all I "play" is Prime95! Good point, the 280w Threadrippers are fine with Air cooling, just like to poke fun. Didn't mean anything by it Nunz.

[Nunz]

You're good man, wasn't aiming the P95 comment at you; was speaking generally

[Nagorak]

So, I ended up "accidentally" picking up a 5900X. I ran a bot on Amazon just to fish for a processor, figuring nothing would go through for a couple of months, and amazingly after only about a week I got a notification that a purchase went through! Unfortunately, that's sort of a curse in disguise because I didn't actually want the hassle of putting another computer together right now, since I had a lot of other stuff on my plate, and my 9900K system was working fine.

Also unfortunately, my experience with this processor has not been good. I've suffered from a lot of uncorrectable WHEA errors, and the errors happen on two different boards. Newer BIOSes seem to make the problem worse, rather than better.

The WHEAs seem to somehow be IMC/IO die related, since more SOC related voltage seems to help. But it seems like the IMC/IO die on this CPU is about the worst of all time. It won't even boot at 3800 MHz. Even at 3733 it apparently needs at a full 1.1v SOC. That's not "dangerous" but with my previous Ryzens I didn't have to go over 1.05v to max out the memory. Also, I am not sure whether it's stable even at that level. The problem is it's intermittent enough at 1.1v that it's not that easy to test for (might take 4-5 hours of gaming in a sensitive game like Hitman 2 to generate the error/reboot). I also had it generate an uncorrectable WHEA error down at 3600 MHz, although I could have been running too low SOC voltage there too.

I can't decide whether I should RMA this processor as defective, with a request for a replacement. Maybe it only has a **** IMC and I lost the silicon lottery, or maybe it's so **** that it's not actually functioning 100%. I just have a bad feeling about it at this point, and my Amazon RMA window is closing in a couple of days. I really don't want to have to get stuck with a bum processor that I then have to RMA through AMD.

[Nunz]

RMA it.

AMD's failure to fix the fclk issues has been extremely disappointing. They promised a whole lot and bragged about 4000Mhz 1:1 being a thing, and so far I've seen most people stuck at 3733. AGESA updates aren't fixing it, even though they said it would "help". I think they've pointed the finger at AGESA but it's really the shitty silicon.

My 10900K has been awesome to OC on. I'll be making a thread when I get home from this trip detailing the memory OC experience and how smooth it's been from my 9900K.

[Nagorak]

LOL! I came back to my computer and found it sitting with a blue screen and a WHEA uncorrectable error. So, yeah, I'm definitely RMAing this processor.

Also, AMD chose a strange time to switch to premium pricing, IMO. There's more to being a premium product than just performance.

I don't know if it's the shortage, resulting in them relaxing QA standards too much, or what, but at this point Zen 3 seems to be almost be as rough as Zen 1 was at launch. Which is weird because Zen+ and Zen 2 had relatively few serious issues, at least in my experience (granted that could just be good/bad luck on my part).

[SSXeon]

Originally Posted by Nunz

You're good man, wasn't aiming the P95 comment at you; was speaking generally

i was joking about that too

Originally Posted by Nagorak

LOL! I came back to my computer and found it sitting with a blue screen and a WHEA uncorrectable error. So, yeah, I'm definitely RMAing this processor.

Also, AMD chose a strange time to switch to premium pricing, IMO. There's more to being a premium product than just performance.

I don't know if it's the shortage, resulting in them relaxing QA standards too much, or what, but at this point Zen 3 seems to be almost be as rough as Zen 1 was at launch. Which is weird because Zen+ and Zen 2 had relatively few serious issues, at least in my experience (granted that could just be good/bad luck on my part).

Yeah that doesn't sound right. I had to play around again in bios to get my SSD to be seen, and set my mem to 3200Mhz from default 2133, but it has been working great. RMA it and at least get your money back.

[Nascar24]

No problems here with my 5900X, other then it not liking 200mhz PBO.

[KAC]

I get WHEA error when I push the processor hard. Otherwise seems fine. I don’t believe there will be 2000 FCLK for all scenario. I haven’t played enough with secondary voltages to try 3800/4000 because my MSI board sucks ass when it comes to detecting errors and resetting CMOS. I also see no real world difference between FCLK 3600 and 3733 except AIDA bench.

Maybe something I will try again this weekend. Right now testing -15 CO all core is important for me.

[Nagorak]

I've decided to hold off on the RMA for now. It looks like I can only return for a refund at Amazon, and for some reason Amazon sold the CPU to me for $500, which is $50 below MSRP. I don't know if the person entering them into the system made a mistake, or if they have some weird algorithm that automatically marks products down, but it sure seems weird getting the CPU at a discount when others are being scalped.

Anyway, if I'd paid full price I'd probably just return, since I don't need the hassle, but since I got a good deal on it I'll hold off and continue troubleshooting. Worst case scenario, if it turns out to have a problem I can RMA to AMD. Or if it is stable and I'm not happy with it, with how things are now, I can resell and recover my money pretty easily.

I suspect the problem is this CPU just won't do 3733 stably. It's a bad sign that 3800 MHz won't even boot. On my 3700X, it would load 3800 MHz but wasn't stable no matter what I tried, so usually you can at least boot one level up from what you have to run at. I may also try downgrading to the previous BIOS with 1.1.9.0 AGESA because it seems I had better stability with that version.

My quick test in Hitman 2 shows the difference in performance between 3733 and 3666 is only about 1% give or take, which is not a huge difference, especially because I am running at 1440P and am very rarely CPU limited to being with.

I guess if someone had a CPU that can do 4000 MHz it might be 5% faster if performance continues to scale at the same rate with faster memory (could be less if there are diminishing returns). But that's in a totally artificial test at 1080P with all settings on low, so less actual impact in the real world.

I do think that the talk of Ryzen 5000 hitting 4000 MHz memory was overblown. It may be that there has been a slight improvement and now golden samples can hit 4000 MHz, whereas before they topped out at 3900 MHz. But on average it's not looking to me like Ryzen 5000 does about the same 3666-3733-3800 range as Ryzen 3000 did.

[KAC]

90% of results I have seen are at 3733 or below. Including myself. Don’t worry about it.

[Nascar24]

So its only problems trying to push the CPU to hard? If that's the case then I don't know what the problem is. Ryzen has never allowed much overclocking room.

[Nagorak]

Originally Posted by Nascar24

So its only problems trying to push the CPU to hard? If that's the case then I don't know what the problem is. Ryzen has never allowed much overclocking room.

I'm not 100% sure right now. Hopefully I was just pushing too hard by trying to run IF at 1867 MHz, but there may be more to it than that. I actually started out with an MSI B550 Gaming Edge Wifi and I had a lot of problems with that board, especially on the newer BIOS (technically it was a "beta"). Things seem a lot better on my current Asus B550-F. So, it could be BIOS issues were also part of the problem.