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Old Mar 7, 2018, 01:49 PM   #1
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I'm planning on building a new computer in April. Mine is hopelessly out of date. (currently running an fx 6300, and upgrading beyond that basically means I need a new mobo).

Traditionally I've tried to not spend too much on cpus, as they become obsolete so quickly anyway... I don't want to spend $500 on a cpu that'll be overtaken by $200 cpus in a couple years.

However, the last 7 years or so, we've seen remarkable sticking power in CPUs. I know there's lots of gays here who splurged on a core-i7 years and years ago that are still perfectly happy with it today.

What do you think will happen with CPUs over the next several years? I'm happy to spend $500 on a cpu if it means I won't have to upgrade it for another 5 years.
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Obligatory what is the system going to be used for? Both Intel and AMD have some pretty compelling options depending on usage scenario.
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An 8700K is less than $500, and the upcoming 2700X from AMD is less than $500. Either way it will come down to what you use it for and even then it won't matter as the differences will be so small especially if you plan to game on it above 1440P.

Intel will probably still have a higher IPC and clock higher in overclocking. Which will benefit gaming. Pretty much all you need to do is:

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Works on every 8700K system I've built. Unless your Megaman.

Where as AMD will probably out perform the 8700K when it comes to "prosumer" workloads. But gaming wise will perform slower at 1080p and pretty much the same at 1440P+.
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I'd like to put together a gaming rig that I won't have to upgrade the cpu or mobo again for several years to come. So I want the cpu to work for 4k, VR, etc., even if I don't buy the most powerful GPU right away (I can always upgrade that later).
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I'd like to put together a gaming rig that I won't have to upgrade the cpu or mobo again for several years to come. So I want the cpu to work for 4k, VR, etc., even if I don't buy the most powerful GPU right away (I can always upgrade that later).
Do you plan too overclock it?
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as they become obsolete so quickly anyway...
Probably a bunch of 2600k users who would disagree with you.

My 4770k is five years old(?!?) this year. It won't hang with a 8700k on benchmarks.....but the cost/benefit for an upgrade isn't worth it yet, either.

My heart wants a Ryzen, but my head tells me if I were upgrading now to get an 8700k.

Or by way of the most direct response to your question...

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Probably a bunch of 2600k users who would disagree with you.

My 4770k is five years old(?!?) this year. It won't hang with a 8700k on benchmarks.....but the cost/benefit for an upgrade isn't worth it yet, either.
That's what I'm saying. When I used to build computers in the 90s and early 2000s, I never would have spent more than a couple hundred bucks on a cpu, 'cause there was always faster, better stuff coming out the next year.

Whereas the last several years, the rate of improvements has been so slow, that high-end cpus from 7 years ago are still great today.

My question is whether you think that the rate of improvement will stay slow, in which case I should spend more on a cpu now, or if the rate of improvement will speed up, so that I should just buy an adaquate cpu now, and upgrade to something dramatically better in a couple years.

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My heart wants a Ryzen, but my head tells me if I were upgrading now to get an 8700k.
I'll be waiting until after the next set of ryzens launches, so the prices & performance situation will be a little different by then anyway.

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Or by way of the most direct response to your question...

$330.00
$330 sounds like a reasonable middle-ground price. I'll prolly aim for about that price range, unless there's a compelling reason not to.
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Do you plan too overclock it?
Prolly not. I want it to run stable without me having to fiddle with it, so I'll prolly just run it stock.
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Works on every 8700K system I've built. Unless your Megaman.

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Honestly you could probably buy a low end i5 or r5 and not have to upgrade for several years. Any sort of substantial CPU improvements died more than half a decade ago. An overclocked 2500K can still game perfectly fine under most circumstances. For most, it's no longer a question of "needing" to upgrade, more about trying to convince yourself it's worth it.

With that being said, since you won't have to upgrade for a long time anyway, I'd suggest getting either the highest end i7 K version, or wait for the next Ryzen release in a couple of months and get an r7.

Don't get a non-overclockable CPU even if you don't want to overclock right now. It gives you an option to clock higher down the line and extend the longevity of the CPU further. Note how I said before that an overclocked 2500K is still viable--a non-overclocked is close to 30% slower with all cores engaged.

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My question is whether you think that the rate of improvement will stay slow, in which case I should spend more on a cpu now, or if the rate of improvement will speed up, so that I should just buy an adaquate cpu now, and upgrade to something dramatically better in a couple years.
There's no indication it's going to speed up. Now that AMD is competitive again, maybe it will speed up a little bit compared to the slow as molasses improvements of the past six years or so, but it's not going back to the 90s or early 00s. More than anything the increased competition is likely to mean more cores start getting utilized, so if you're buying now don't make the mistake of buying a four core CPU.
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Honestly you could probably buy a low end i5 or r5 and not have to upgrade for several year. Any sort of substantial CPU improvements died a decade more than half a decade ago. An overclocked 2500K can still game perfectly fine under most circumstances. For most, it's no longer a question of "needing" to upgrade, more about trying to convince yourself it's worth it.

With that being said, since you won't have to upgrade for a long time anyway, I'd suggest getting either the highest end i7 K version, or wait for the next Ryzen release in a couple of months and get an r7.

Don't get a non-overclockable CPU even if you don't want to overclock right now. It gives you an option to clock higher down the line and extend the longevity of the CPU further. Note how I said before than an overclocked 2500K is still viable--a non-overclocked is close to 30% slower with all cores engaged.

I am in the same boat. My rig does everything I need it too at this time. However, its showing its age just cause of a lack of DRAM. (8GB).. but I don't want to invest in a dead platform. lol. Catch 22. I'd rather put that money towards getting 16GB for the next platform.
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I spent $280 on my i7 7700K to replace my i5 6500. I didn't want to replace my mobo yet, otherwise I probably would've sprung for the 8700.
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I spent $280 on my i7 7700K to replace my i5 6500. I didn't want to replace my mobo yet, otherwise I probably would've sprung for the 8700.
I wish you had sold that a month earlier. I spent $80 on a 3570k, and it was $80 well spent lol, but when the time comes to upgrade I'll go top tier on which ever offers the best bang for the buck at the time, be it AMD or Intel.
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