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Old Jul 23, 2019, 07:33 PM   #301
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This release is all about having NV stay at the top of the benchmark leader board. Nothing more.

You’re getting more performance for the same price. It’s only good for those who decided to skip an upgrade.
I think the release was to bring more balance separaton based on how close the 2070 super was to the 2080. Witbout the 2080 super, the 2070 super would of cannibalized 2080 and its price point.
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the 3080 ti is still the only one to buy if you have a 1080 ti .
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You're not wrong but I'd argue that @1440p 100Hz+ the 2080Ti is the only way to go right now.

And...… you don't really think NV will magically price the 3080Ti at $800, do you?
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Of course they'll price it $799 right after AMD release their 3080 Ti killer GPU for $799.




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You're not wrong but I'd argue that @1440p 100Hz+ the 2080Ti is the only way to go right now.

And...… you don't really think NV will magically price the 3080Ti at $800, do you?
I'm hoping they smarten up and price it like it should be priced and not to the mining crazy price they just didn't want to give up. I'm thinking why spend 1k now when it can go to the next gen at this point. But we are talking about Nvidia here
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Gaming is so subjective and feel a 2080ti is overkill for 1440p and the difference between 100hz vs 60hz, while noticeable but more-so diminishing returns. Still feel anything over a smooth 60 is more-so wasted framerate and rather use the extra performance with added fidelity and higher resolution. So glad there are many choices for gamers and their subjective views. I'm the polar opposite of a 120+hz gamer.
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I'm hoping they smarten up and price it like it should be priced and not to the mining crazy price they just didn't want to give up. I'm thinking why spend 1k now when it can go to the next gen at this point. But we are talking about Nvidia here
This is a company that desired a 1000 dollar price point for the 8800 ultra over a decade ago. Nvidia always desired 1000+ gpu's and now starting to normalize the market with this premium pricing strategy.
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4K gaming at 60 Hz peasant FPS is not something everyone wants. Seems like a 2080S AIB partner is about 14% faster than a stock 1080 Ti and closes the gap with a 2080 Ti FE at 1440P to about 12-13% based on TUP reviews which actually test a lot of games. I think next month I may order one given it is about 420 bucks cheaper minimum compared to the 2080 Ti that I want.

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I'm ok with 60hz with my 4k big screen. Maybe that's partly due to me being an adventure gamer at heart. But I do play the action games for the mind boggling environments i.e. for the graphics. And if possible I skip past the fighting with codes to disable ai and other legal cheats (in single player only.)
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60 frames is now peasant framerate, hehe. Would really enjoy to investigate framerate with blind testing, without frame counters and see how accurate you would be.
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I'm hoping they smarten up and price it like it should be priced and not to the mining crazy price they just didn't want to give up. I'm thinking why spend 1k now when it can go to the next gen at this point. But we are talking about Nvidia here
Right, it's NV and if they have no competition then get used to 1K pricing.
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Or, the market place deems they're too expensive. Consumers have the real power and there is still demand and not a buying wall of resistance.
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60 frames is now peasant framerate, hehe. Would really enjoy to investigate framerate with blind testing, without frame counters and see how accurate you would be.
I would put my money I could tell you the difference between a 60 and 100Hz monitor over and over and over and over. Going from my PG279Q to a 100Hz ultrawide is insanely noticeable.

What the hell is the point of gaming at 4K if you’re going to lower settings. That’s asinine. Higher resolution I can’t run, so I set my texture detail down to medium! Sick
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60 frames is now peasant framerate, hehe. Would really enjoy to investigate framerate with blind testing, without frame counters and see how accurate you would be.
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This is a company that desired a 1000 dollar price point for the 8800 ultra over a decade ago. Nvidia always desired 1000+ gpu's and now starting to normalize the market with this premium pricing strategy.
they will not lower prices unless forced to .

so don't expect the 3080 ti to be one red cent cheaper unless AMD has something first but I don't think they will till Q4 so NV will be first again

hell since it is a new node and Samsung they may raise prices for a 3080 ti FE for 1349 & Strix 1499
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You're not wrong but I'd argue that @1440p 100Hz+ the 2080Ti is the only way to go right now.

And...… you don't really think NV will magically price the 3080Ti at $800, do you?
I can play all my games fine at 1440p 100hz+. Granted I don't play all the AAA single player games like you guys do. Mostly MP fps that usually run well anyway. That said I sometimes game at 4k on my TV and the 1080TI still holds up even if I have to drop a setting or two. I really want 5800XT to run freesync on my TV (it does 4k 60 and 1440p 120hz)

You're right I don't expect next gen to be any cheaper but at least it'll be a massive jump over Pascal.
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It's true that you won't be capped at 165 Hz, but in most games you'll still get decent performance. And isn't this what adaptive sync is for? I agree if you really want to maximize 1440P the 2080 Ti is the way to go, but that extra $300 is understandably a bit hard to swallow for many people.

And, yeah, basically if you already have a 1080 Ti it's hardly worth the bother to upgrade to a 2080S.
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I cap my games at 135fps/hz anyway due to occasional CPU bound fluctuations. I can rock a steady 135 in everything I play online. For something like Total War I'll cap it at 90.
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I would put my money I could tell you the difference between a 60 and 100Hz monitor over and over and over and over. Going from my PG279Q to a 100Hz ultrawide is insanely noticeable.

What the hell is the point of gaming at 4K if you’re going to lower settings. That’s asinine. Higher resolution I can’t run, so I set my texture detail down to medium! Sick
It's noticeable as i mentioned but more-so diminishing returns than insanely noticeable to me. You're so close minded to think that 4k with a setting sacrifice may be superior than 1440p with settings maxed.
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If there's one thing I've learnt in the gaming and graphics world is that there's a time and place for everything. Some games are better at high refresh rates. Some are better at higher resolutions even if at 60hz. Some are better in 3D. Some are better in VR. Some are even better on *ducks* console.. I adapt to all of them.

Except mobile. That's the devils work.
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Agree 100 percent. Choice flexibility is a gamer's best friend, notice my tag.
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Or, the market place deems they're too expensive. Consumers have the real power and there is still demand and not a buying wall of resistance.
There will always be demand for the best and fastest.
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I would put my money I could tell you the difference between a 60 and 100Hz monitor over and over and over and over. Going from my PG279Q to a 100Hz ultrawide is insanely noticeable.

What the hell is the point of gaming at 4K if you’re going to lower settings. That’s asinine. Higher resolution I can’t run, so I set my texture detail down to medium! Sick
Agreed on both points.
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You're right I don't expect next gen to be any cheaper but at least it'll be a massive jump over Pascal.
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Not if it's priced too high.
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Not if it's priced too high.
Even if. There may not be as much but it'll be there,.
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What is too high?

The norm from the 1080Ti was at least $699. AIB 1080Ti's were upwards of $800 or more.

AMD didn't do you any favors, they wanted $650 for Vega 64 and $699 for Radeon VII.

Snagging a 2080Ti for around $1200 isn't that bitter of a pill to swallow compared to prices last gen. It still sucks yeah, but if there were more competition on the high end those prices wouldn't see the light of day. Though, I'm not so sure AMD would actually price their cards lower even if they had something equal. Seems like they're willing to match prices with Nvidia these days. However it's much easier to start a price war when you have comparable products.

Everyone one of us that bought a 2080Ti from launch (well that would be only me, everyone else just trickled in ) enjoyed their purchase. And I think most of us (if not all) came from a good AIB 1080Ti and found the 2080ti to be an excellent improvement. Games that use RTX well like Metro is like cherry on top.
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I can understand paying a premium for the ti for 4k gaming but i have trouble understanding paying a premium for 1440p gaming and overkill to me.
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I can understand paying a premium for the ti for 4k gaming but i have trouble understanding paying a premium for 1440p gaming and overkill to me.
1440p at high refresh rates need it. ACdyssey needs it.
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Old Jul 24, 2019, 11:45 AM   #330
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It's noticeable as i mentioned but more-so diminishing returns than insanely noticeable to me. You're so close minded to think that 4k with a setting sacrifice may be superior than 1440p with settings maxed.
You’re close-minded to think that there’s diminishing returns to raising framerate and increasing the smoothness on your screen.

And yeah, I’m sorry but if you’re running 4K and you lower texture settings .. that is so completely backwards I am incredibly mind-blown.
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