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Old Jan 25, 2018, 08:15 PM   #2551
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Enough with the 'cultist' stuff guys; you're making this far too personal
for me it is personal, after all, croberts and cig personally lied to me as evidenced from their own marketing, and the cultists are supporting their lies

So stfu and don't read this thread if you don't like.
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That would be a judgement based on feelings and not the facts. And no, it is crytek that is doing word plays here, the GLA cannot be understood as anything else other than what it says using the common usage of meaning in law. It will take evidence from Crytek that shows thier absurd and highly unusual interpretation is the correct one, and Crytek doing some work is not going to be enough as evidence, it will have to take hard evidence thatvorives it beyond a shadow of doubt.

Also there is no logical reason to call CIGs interpretation as "word play" when there are 3 law professionals and business law definitions that are all in agreement with CIGs interpretation. CIGs interpretation is the literal meaning, and CIG will not have to prove what the literal meaning is, it will take Crytek to prove thier absurd and highly unusual, word play, meanings are the correct ones.

And any decent judge and jury are not going to rule in Cryteks favor on those points without evidence.
And saying they are so in debted for thier success because they did some videos is hyperbolic. Itvwas not the videos alone thst did it, it was the whole idea and who was doing it that mattered the most. Aslo Crytek was desperate for money at that time as well, so thier work coukr very well be a part of thier proposal, and giving it cheaper was a part of them trying to get an influx of money fast.
1. Professionals that probably never followed on the whole fiasco, so yeah, they probably don't know what was actually going on 5-6 years ago when the contract was signed.

2. of course croberts and cig are so indebted to crytek, or are you a cultist denying the KS and earlier videos in which croberts himself claimed to have done everything that were shown in those videos themselves? Croberts explicitly claimed that he and his team has been developed the game for a year prior to the original KS campaign, but it turned out to be Crytek's work.

fact, for all the loud PR responses cig made against crytek, they have not touched on this matter, that tells me that crytek claims may as well be true and crytek can easily prove it.

And of course it does matter, so much, in fact, as that KS video was the sole material that made star citizen crowdfunding successful in the 1st place.

And another proof on the meaning of exclusivity itself came from cig themselves they did adhere to the contract for a time, like embedding the cryengine logos on their own videos, they wouldn't do that if they knew the contract never binding.

Termination clause? Yeah, even those professionals don't say anything about termination clause because there isn't any.

Now discuss the game...

Have the hornet ghost and tracker properly function like the brochure yet??? now we know why they can't get them done yet, because it was crytek that made the hornet, after all.
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Old Jan 25, 2018, 08:53 PM   #2552
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for me it is personal, after all, croberts and cig personally lied to me as evidenced from their own marketing, and the cultists are supporting their lies

So stfu and don't read this thread if you don't like.

1. Professionals that probably never followed on the whole fiasco, so yeah, they probably don't know what was actually going on 5-6 years ago when the contract was signed.

2. of course croberts and cig are so indebted to crytek, or are you a cultist denying the KS and earlier videos in which croberts himself claimed to have done everything that were shown in those videos themselves? Croberts explicitly claimed that he and his team has been developed the game for a year prior to the original KS campaign, but it turned out to be Crytek's work.

fact, for all the loud PR responses cig made against crytek, they have not touched on this matter, that tells me that crytek claims may as well be true and crytek can easily prove it.

And of course it does matter, so much, in fact, as that KS video was the sole material that made star citizen crowdfunding successful in the 1st place.

And another proof on the meaning of exclusivity itself came from cig themselves they did adhere to the contract for a time, like embedding the cryengine logos on their own videos, they wouldn't do that if they knew the contract never binding.

Termination clause? Yeah, even those professionals don't say anything about termination clause because there isn't any.

Now discuss the game...

Have the hornet ghost and tracker properly function like the brochure yet??? now we know why they can't get them done yet, because it was crytek that made the hornet, after all.
And with that you have proven that you cannot be objective in this at all, everything you say is emotionally based with the intent in putting everything into bad light for CIG even to the extent of using false information and unsubstantiated rumors.

1) What has been happening for the last 5 years is irrelevant to the interpretation and meaning of the GLA that was signed 5 years ago. What has happened for the last 5 years does not all of a sudden change the interpretation that is based on common legal language.

2)Crytek did a video, that doesn't mean that their video was not based on all the artwork, ideas, work done prior to Crytek's involvement. There is nothing that says that Crytek came up with the idea, that they came up with the designs. Are you really saying that Crytek came up with all the ideas and artwork for this project, and that Chris Roberts and his team did absolutely nothing for development like the design ideas and artwork, everything that is considered "Pre-development" to get things ready to start doing the programming? Casue you seem to think that Crytek doing a video equals to Chris Roberts and his team doing absolutely nothing in the development of this project before it went to Kickstarter.
Crytek did a video, and that video was not a major part of the reason why people pledged, and it is absurd to think that a video was the key piece, and not the idea and who was behind the idea that played the biggest role.

3) Of course they are going to use the logos when they are using the Cryengine license, it was a part of the GLA. But the GLA does not say that cannot go to a different engine, the GLA does not say that can only use Cryengine. It says that no where without using the absurd and unheard of interpretation of Crytek's. Again, Crytek is going to need to provide that their absurd interpretation is the correct one, so they better have that proof. And no, just because Skadden made it a part of their complaint that Crytek's absurd interpretation is the right one does not mean they have the evidence to prove it, they also had all kinds of allegations against Occulus in that lawsuit, most of which they were not able to prove at all, so don't go assuming they have that evidence.
I am not saying for sure that Crytek is wrong, I give them leeway in showing evidence that their interpretation was the interpretation as understood by all parties, but they do not have that evidence, then common sense, common legal usage will most likely have things going in favor for CIG in that regard.

Again, Crytek made a video, that isn't going to have any bearing on whether CIG can get the Hornet/Tracker working. The game is in development still, there are lots of things not working correctly, naturally. Crytek using the hornet artwork in a video would have nothing to do with CIGs abilitiy to get it to work. Really, what you said in that regard really made no sense at all, there was nothing logical about it, really seems like you just really stretched for that one.
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Old Jan 25, 2018, 09:09 PM   #2553
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Alright guys last warning. Both of you need to tone it down. If you cant be civil then try not to reply to one another. Ive let you guys go on long enough berating each other.
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Old Jan 25, 2018, 09:10 PM   #2554
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How about you both cool the hell out. You can both PM each other over this all you want - but this is getting ridiculous in public. This isn't your place to vent your frustrations on each other - you can do that in private.

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Old Jan 25, 2018, 09:30 PM   #2555
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by the way, the new redesign of the website has gone active about an hour ago.

I like the new design, find it easier to find information, does feel more intuitive.
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by the way, the new redesign of the website has gone active about an hour ago.

I like the new design, find it easier to find information, does feel more intuitive.
The menu is a pretty big improvement, though I think some of the labeling is still unclear for nubs (like "Spectrum".)
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Hihii, still love this forum and thread Times when waiting for dentist apointment, taking a crap, waiting for Windows Update Fire up this thread, life is good, forget GPU and RAM prices.

Btw, did I read ~200GB disk requirement right? That has got to be big "unknown" for now, no?
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Hihii, still love this forum and thread Times when waiting for dentist apointment, taking a crap, waiting for Windows Update Fire up this thread, life is good, forget GPU and RAM prices.

Btw, did I read ~200GB disk requirement right? That has got to be big "unknown" for now, no?
I wouldn't be surprised if it gets there eventually. Right now it isn't close to that big.

GTA Online uses over 70 GB for a single city, so it isn't that crazy if the game gets as big as they say it will.
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New video showing off the new features introduced in alpha 3.0

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CIG has responded to Crytek's lastest response
https://www.scribd.com/document/370105345/031127439162

Nothing much really new other than CIG showing the cases cited by Crytek do not apply and they show reasons why they do not apply. And the continued showing of how absurd Crytek's claims are.
They also mentioned a case where a judge was able to dismiss complaints about copyright infrindgement when the plantiff did not give specific counts of where it happened, so in this case since Crytek did not specifically state what bugsmasher videos and what exact code was infringed upon in the complaint, that the Judge can dismiss the claim according to the court case CIG cited.

Also CIG have given Crytek an update to Cryengine for bug fixes and optimizations on Jan 23, 2018, which according to CIG they were already planning on doing before Crytek jumped the gun with the lawsuit.

Still do not know if this is enough to dismiss or not, I never claimed it was enough to begin with. But what is clear is that if it doesn't get dismissed, it is still going to take Crytek showing evidence that their absurd interpretation was understood by all parties at the time of signing of the GLA.
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They are angry that freyermuth was mentioned.

the person writing that was really angry in general, using bold typeface and common terms.
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They are angry that freyermuth was mentioned.

the person writing that was really angry in general, using bold typeface and common terms.
Apparently it is a serious accusation to make against a Lawyer, something that can't be taken lightly.

I don't think the bold typeface/common terms is a sign of anger, but rather emphasizing the important parts.
Also I doubt the Lawyer at FKKS would be "angry", they have no reason to be.
But maybe it is more of a tone of "This is moronically stupid that this lawsuit even exists in the first place" type attitude.
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Cant steal ships for your fleet cause you need to buy them. $$$
when the game releases you can buy all the ships with in game money you earn in the game, or earned with in the game if they are not for sell (like finding them, rewarded for completing something)

I can see why they are doing that with theft, because of the insurance it leaves a crap ton of room to exploit the system. Have your ship "stolen" and then make an insurance claim on it. Next thing you know you there is a whole new gold selling industry done through "stealing" ships and then making an insurance claim.

Looking at the big picture this really makes a whole lot of sense.
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when the game releases you can buy all the ships with in game money you earn in the game, or earned with in the game if they are not for sell (like finding them, rewarded for completing something)

I can see why they are doing that with theft, because of the insurance it leaves a crap ton of room to exploit the system. Have your ship "stolen" and then make an insurance claim on it. Next thing you know you there is a whole new gold selling industry done through "stealing" ships and then making an insurance claim.

Looking at the big picture this really makes a whole lot of sense.
Dont have to go as far as looking at the "big picture". Just have to follow the money.
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Dont have to go as far as looking at the "big picture". Just have to follow the money.
It is to early to say what it takes to earn the ships SC, heck it is a very long grind to earn the ships in Elite Dangerous and there is no "follow the money there" for that reason to have such a long grind.

Even people on Elite Dangerous forums talked about stealing ships in Elite Dangerous forums, and it was even brought up about insurance fraud and the potential risk to the in game economy if it was allowed.

So I disagree, this has nothing to do with "follow the money" and more about them making a smart decision given other systems with in the game that could lead to a massive exploit that would be hard to govern.

At least they are still giving the ability to steal ships, instead of completely ignoring it like they did with Elite Dangerous.

What I said makes the most logical sense when you look at the big picture.
I could see stealing ships work if there was no insurance, meaning when you lost your ship that was it, hopefully you have enough money to completely replace it at 100% of the costs.
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So I found the thread that Napoleonic's picture came from, literally came from a thread asking about Insurance and cheating, about the very problem I mentioned.
Read this for context
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/s...ing-the-system


Also it was talked about in November of last year as well
https://youtu.be/iS27ZLZDhO8?t=49m28s
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when the cultist doesn't even know about the full extend of complications regarding their own dreamed gameplay mechanics

You think it's only about insurance, huh?
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Chris Roberts in January 2015 on this thieving subject
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzPb...tu.be&t=16m31s

To put it short he talks about things they are thinking about, and he talks about how things will get adjusted as development goes on to try and make everything fun and fair as much as possible.

IMO, with what he know right now it is the right decision, it prevents abuse of the system while still keeping on that fun of the act of stealing ships.
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enough of the cultist crap, childish insults etc. It may have been entertaining a year ago but its getting super annoying now. Act like civilized adults(is that possible?) or take a vacation, the choice is yours.
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The next person here to start talking about cultists will enjoy a nice long vacation

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So this was taken out of context, watch this video to learn more

https://youtu.be/gmtpMCh97D0?t=7m53s

They do want you to be able to steal and keep the ships, but they want the pirate to have to jump through hoops to keep it. Nothing is nailed down yet to how it is going to work, but they do want piracy to be a career with the ability to keep the ships.
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Hearing for the Motion to Dismiss is canceled tomorrow. The Judge is saying that no oral arguments are needed for her to make a decision.

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(IN CHAMBERS) ORDER by Judge Dolly M. Gee: The Court finds that Defendant's Motion to Dismiss the First Amended Complaint or Claims for Relief Therein or, in the Alternative, for a More Definite Statement and to Strike Certain Portions of the First Amended Complaint (FRCP 12(B)(6), 12(E) & 12(f))19 presently scheduled for hearing on February 9, 2018, is appropriate for decision without oral argument. Fed. R. Civ. P. 78(b); C.D. L.R. 7-15. Accordingly, the motion is taken UNDER SUBMISSION and the hearing is vacated. IT IS SO ORDERED. THERE IS NO PDF DOCUMENT ASSOCIATED WITH THIS ENTRY. (kti) TEXT ONLY ENTRY
https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/...mes_Corp_et_al

Not sure how long she has before she needs to submit her decision.
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I thought she was going to RULE on the thing on the 9th. Turns out it could be days and weeks before we hear something. No wonder cases drag out for an eternity.
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